Coronavirus

Soup Ladle · Mar 26, 2020

I'll do a whole year of self-isolation in exchange for a bit more Chester/Barnet argie bargie.

rudebwoyben · Mar 26, 2020

Railway Blue said:
You're competing above where your gates say you should be competing because you've always been helped with outside money. I've nothing against Barnet FC per se, but you seem to have this idea that you've survived on football-related income.

I don’t know where you get this. All do us Barnet fans are well-aware that income generated by the rest of the Hive complex subsidise the football club and that our gates are a big concern.

#Beebot · Mar 26, 2020

Railway Blue said:
You're competing above where your gates say you should be competing because you've always been helped with outside money. I've nothing against Barnet FC per se, but you seem to have this idea that you've survived on football-related income.

1) Nobody says we survive only on gate receipts.

2) 90% of clubs rely on non-football revenue.

Luke Imp · Mar 26, 2020

There's no easy way to do it.

If the season is cancelled (did the NL statement say cancelled or postponed?), then there are only two things that can be done. Either void it or PPG. I'd argue that with 7 or so games to play, there's enough to there to warrant PPG placings. It's not ideal and some will feel aggrieved but you can't void a season having played nearly 40 games. At this point, the table will be there or thereabouts and at this point, you're pretty much going to be where you deserve to be. That obviously doesn't take into account strength of opposition left to play etc but as I say, there's not an easy or full fair way to do it.

That said, I think the NL will have to, and aim to, fall in line with the EFL (who'll have to fall in line with the PL, who will probably have to do so with other European top flights) because the leagues have got to align up fairly well heading into a new season.

John Still · Mar 26, 2020

rudebwoyben said:
Again, why the rush to play matches in June? The remaining matches of 19/20 can be played in September and the 20/21 season can be altered accordingly.

What about contracts for players that are up in June? Are they allowed to let these players leave and sign much better players on a short term basis to sneak past others in staying up or promotion? Makes sense just to squash it all and go from there. Unfortunate but it’s the simplest option of all and we can all start a new season when it’s viable to do so.

jacobncfc · Mar 26, 2020

John Still said:
What about contracts for players that are up in June? Are they allowed to let these players leave and sign much better players on a short term basis to sneak past others in staying up or promotion? Makes sense just to squash it all and go from there. Unfortunate but it’s the simplest option of all and we can all start a new season when it’s viable to do so.

No, they aren’t. Only players registered at the time of the interruption would be eligible to play, and contracts could extend on a monthly basis until the season was completed. It really shouldn’t be that difficult to achieve, assuming that it’s viable to play again by mid-Summer and clubs have been able to survive.

Actually, if it was possible to play again by, say, the middle of July, it could be a bit of a lifeline for teams. I suspect crowds would be massive with games in the middle of summer with promotion and relegation on the table, everyone’s holidays cancelled and everyone having been stuck inside with nothing to do.

doveranddover · Mar 26, 2020

getting closer -

https://twitter.com/x/status/1243191530220912641

Soup Ladle · Mar 26, 2020

jacobncfc said:
Actually, if it was possible to play again by, say, the middle of July, it could be a bit of a lifeline for teams. I suspect crowds would be massive with games in the middle of summer with promotion and relegation on the table, everyone’s holidays cancelled and everyone having been stuck inside with nothing to do.

That's exactly what should happen. Have a 6 week window to finish the fucking thing off. Start again in October, have 2 12 team leagues, regionalised for 20/21 only and then we can restart proper this time next year.

Calling the season off, clubs will go the wall. We're already laying people off and the noises from the club aren't good. Many other clubs in the same boat. Of course, the PL could share some of its ridiculous TV deal with us but there's more chance of B2TF going to a game than that happening.

#Beebot · Mar 26, 2020

doveranddover said:
getting closer -

https://twitter.com/x/status/1243191530220912641

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Cowardly decision by the FA. Eight months wasted. Hopefully the NL hold firm and resist this.

I hope clubs sue for wasted costs.

BarraMatt · Mar 26, 2020

#Beebot said:
But certainty over this season doesn't create any certainty for next season, nor does it resolve anything financially.

True.

The last thing I want would be for the season to be called off given the position we're in, but the thought of being promoted on a technicality wouldn't sit right with me either, especially when others have the chance of going to the wall. If we're going to go up I'd rather get it done properly so no one can complain.

In an ideal world as others have said the season should resume as soon as is safe with money filtering down from the top (about time as well) to secure the future of anyone potentially in trouble during the period without games.

chipmunx · Mar 26, 2020

doveranddover said:
getting closer -

https://twitter.com/x/status/1243191530220912641

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yep - all that confirms at present is no relegation from NLS or NLN - but that's the start of the answers... Blythe etc will be happy with that - the probably out come would be that if the National League is not restarted then Fylde etc would stay up too. Then it would be up to the EFL as to what if anything they do to replace Bury...

"5.3 Subject to the provisions of the Articles of Association and these Regulations, The League may from time to time and upon such terms and conditions as it may think fit admit any Association Football club as a member or expel or accept the retirement of any member from The League provided always that no member may be expelled without the sanction of a special resolution passed at an Annual or Extraordinary General Meeting of The League. Any casual vacancy occurring in the membership of The League may be filled by the Board.

The constitution of the EFL allows for no more than 72 clubs and for no more than 24 clubs in each league.

So as far as I can see, should the EFL choose to have its full compliment in League 2 next season, it has full discretion to do so without infringing on FA rules or regulations"

Dave-Vale · Mar 26, 2020

Ouch! I’d be well pissed off if I was a fan/player/manager/owner at that level. Unbelievable.

#Beebot · Mar 26, 2020

It looks like the leagues are over-ruling their member clubs on this. The NL's statement is more worrying now in the context of this.

The rational, neutral thing to do would have been just to calm down and wait to see how the virus situation played out, but the FA, who frankly I expected a lot better from, have allowed mass panic and hysteria to set in and have set themselves up for a fall now.

Hope the FA have good lawyers.

MrGloverLover · Mar 26, 2020

Our Chairman is going to be talking to Mark Chapman on 5 Live tonight, will be interesting to hear his thoughts on today's decision to void all leagues below NL.

Hooped Wizard · Mar 26, 2020

Chairman of South Shields has tweeted he‘ll be taken legal action.

doveranddover · Mar 26, 2020

Writing a letter 1st
https://twitter.com/GeoffTChairman/with_replies?lang=en

Chief Rocka · Mar 26, 2020

Well on the bright side my £35 bet on Pools to win the league this season will be returned

Fyldefan · Mar 26, 2020

Chief Rocka said:
Well on the bright side my £35 bet on Pools to win the league this season will be returned

And that macclesfield fan wont have to get 'Toure' tattooed on his head. Every cloud

Chief Rocka · Mar 26, 2020

Fyldefan said:
And that macclesfield fan wont have to get 'Toure' tattooed on his head. Every cloud

It was looking unlikely anyway, he had about 1 goal in 15 under Challinor.

Soup Ladle · Mar 26, 2020

Fyldefan said:
And that macclesfield fan wont have to get 'Toure' tattooed on his head. Every cloud

Double bubble next season though.

Super_horns · Mar 26, 2020

Hooped Wizard said:
Chairman of South Shields has tweeted he‘ll be taken legal action.

Something that will only intensify the higher up you go with clubs losing revenues/promotion etc of all the leagues are cancelled.

Vanni · Mar 26, 2020

Soup Ladle I'm afraid I'm not getting this - 'Have a 6 week window to finish the fucking thing off' and 'Calling the season off, clubs will go the wall' argument at all.

I think I'm missing something because prolonging all this uncertainty would be a bigger blow, financially speaking, to all the lower league clubs. The more you prolong it the more cash you need to keep you going, just like every other business concern. And when will clubs be in a position to offer season tickets for next year?

ps -
Apparently some people reckon playing the remaining fixtures in June or July will attract bigger gates. Utter nonsense IMO. This bloody thing will be far from over by that time and should the league resume it would be a behind closed doors affair.

Urban · Mar 26, 2020

Railway Blue said:
You're competing above where your gates say you should be competing because you've always been helped with outside money. I've nothing against Barnet FC per se, but you seem to have this idea that you've survived on football-related income.

Camborne Gills · Mar 26, 2020

Why not finish all the leagues, or none of them?

Jerry · Mar 26, 2020

Dave-Vale said:
Ouch! I’d be well pissed off if I was a fan/player/manager/owner at that level. Unbelievable.

Incredibly harsh on Jersey Bulls especially as they have already won their league with a 100% record!!

TonyM · Mar 26, 2020

Sensible decision to give clubs whose players are only signed through to the end of April some certainty. Always going to be winners and losers whatever decision was made and can understand some feeling hard done by but it does at least allow clubs to wrap up their season.

Difficult for the National, with a full time division and two divisions that are mixed, so clearly much harder to justify the 'call it a day' stance but the decision to wait and see will have a greater impact on the part time clubs who I would imagine will find it very difficult to access the governments 80% scheme. Personally would have preferred they included step 2 in todays decision and leave it to the full time boys to work out how they resolve the Bury situation between themselves - they have more to lose in terms of TV clawback etc that doesn't impact the North & South.

Soup Ladle · Mar 26, 2020

Vanni said:
Soup Ladle I'm afraid I'm not getting this - 'Have a 6 week window to finish the fucking thing off' and 'Calling the season off, clubs will go the wall' argument at all.

I think I'm missing something because prolonging all this uncertainty would be a bigger blow, financially speaking, to all the lower league clubs. The more you prolong it the more cash you need to keep you going, just like every other business concern. And when will clubs be in a position to offer season tickets for next year?

ps -
Apparently some people reckon playing the remaining fixtures in June or July will attract bigger gates. Utter nonsense IMO. This bloody thing will be far from over by that time and should the league resume it would be a behind closed doors affair.

Unless I'm missing something it doesn't make any difference scrapping or not - clubs would have to pay players regardless. The uncertainty is prolonged by the situation and decision makers. IMO Get the season finished (whenever that can be) and revise next season as and when.

Having said that, I'd choose a void over the PPG idea.

slaphead · Mar 26, 2020

Soup Ladle said:
Unless I'm missing something it doesn't make any difference scrapping or not - clubs would have to pay players regardless.

No they wouldn’t, we give 44 week contracts and ours are only paid into May. We’ve already put players and staff on half wages so I’m struggling to see where we’d get the money to pay them for a couple of extra months without help from the FA or the PL.

Jerry · Mar 26, 2020

https://twitter.com/x/status/1243227077341577217

Soup Ladle · Mar 26, 2020

slaphead said:
No they wouldn’t, we give 44 week contracts and ours are only paid into May. We’ve already put players and staff on half wages so I’m struggling to see where we’d get the money to pay them for a couple of extra months without help from the FA or the PL.

At Aldershot maybe, but ours are paid the full 52 weeks.

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