Athletic Article: League One and Two Seasons to be abandoned next week

shoddycollins · May 20, 2020

TrinidadsNumberOne said:
Peterborough has been a city for a very very long time, so it was definitely already well populated compared to most of the new towns which were also designated for expansion. But many towns within an hour from London on the train became expanded post WW2. The likes of Reading, Swindon, MK, Colchester and Peterborough being prime examples.

As a poster said about them on one of the threads, Peterborough Station is full of people going to London to support Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs or West Ham. Probably get some fans of the East Anglian teams as well, I've seen a lot of Ipswich fans in Cambridgeshire for a start.

Big club is a term that's overused. When DMAC makes out Peterborough are a sleeping giant you have to laugh. Derby and Forest are strong examples of big city clubs. Both wildly successful in the 70s, with Forest a top flight fixture for many years, but they never really got the national fanbase Leeds did. You could argue they're big clubs because of the success, but they very much have regional fanbases. Though I went school with two Forest fans, you wouldn't find many outside the East Midlands. I'd say those two and Leicester would be at the top end for big city clubs but there are loads of them.

Friend of mine used to live in Peterborough and said it was without doubt the worst place she's ever lived... And she's from Maidstone!

chipmunx · May 20, 2020

so this meeting that is meant to start at 9:30am... how long is it likely to last?

Huntsman94 · May 20, 2020

chipmunx said:
unless they draw you away in a cup won't they be a division above you?

No in League One. The more times I say it the more times I convince myself that's the decision to come out of the League One vote.

So leave me alone....

:bg:

AdamStag · May 20, 2020

chipmunx said:
so this meeting that is meant to start at 9:30am... how long is it likely to last?

nervous much!? :P1:

chipmunx · May 20, 2020

Huntsman94 said:
No in League One. The more times I say it the more times I convince myself that's the decision to come out of the League One vote.

So leave me alone....

so if that's your dream then your nightmare is playing Barrow in League 2 then?

chipmunx · May 20, 2020

AdamStag said:
nervous much!?

getting bored of waiting... we've been top since November - that's 6 months already..

Huntsman94 · May 20, 2020

chipmunx said:
so if that's your dream then your nightmare is playing Barrow in League 2 then?

Wouldn't that be your nightmare? Forgetting the 3-4 at your place are we?

Kenneth E End · May 20, 2020

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The PFA in acting as bellends shocker...

AdamStag · May 20, 2020

Huntsman94 said:
Wouldn't that be your nightmare? Forgetting the 3-4 at your place are we?

Poor buggers

The last 4 games we played barrow in conference we scored 3, 7, 8 and 4 :lol:

Huntsman94 · May 20, 2020

AdamStag said:
Poor buggers

The last 4 games we played barrow in conference we scored 3, 7, 8 and 4

To be fair, if you make it all the way to Barrow, then you deserve to bang in at least 4 goals to make the journey home manageable!

chipmunx · May 20, 2020

Huntsman94 said:
Wouldn't that be your nightmare? Forgetting the 3-4 at your place are we?

As I was at the game I can honestly say it was unfortunately unforgettable...

Trapdoor · May 20, 2020

This latest Swindon debacle just highlights the need for sustainable community funded football models.

I know I always bang on about this but private ownership is not suitable for community based organising like football clubs.

I was there when Exeter went to the wall and the decade of ups and downs leading up to that point. I never want to go back to that way of running a club. Football is about the community not about lining individuals pockets.

chipmunx · May 20, 2020

Trapdoor said:
This latest Swindon debacle just highlights the need for sustainable community funded football models.

I know I always bang on about this but private ownership is not suitable for community based organising like football clubs.

I was there when Exeter went to the wall and the decade of ups and downs leading up to that point. I never want to go back to that way of running a club. Football is about the community not about lining individuals pockets.

in part yes - but nobody having a stake over 50% or being able to get one would help too. We have 5 owners including the Bluebirds trust which owns 10% of the club.
Just community based ownership doesn't always work though - Wrexham are a good example of that.

Indian Dan · May 20, 2020

It seems now that a club sale is in the offing and all the interested parties are jockeying to get their slice.

Very undignified and lifts the lid on the often sordid business of owning a football club.

Greenacres · May 20, 2020

Aren't there rules in some countries, possibly thinking of Germany, relating to how big a stake one person can have in a football club?

I'm not sure how that works in practice, maybe not allowing anyone to have more than 49% or exercise absolute control, it possibly means fans having a greater say in how their club is run.

Super_horns · May 20, 2020

They have the 50 plus one rule.

Most teams are for it but some don't like it or have slightly different set ups like RB Leipzig and Wolfsburg

Trapdoor · May 20, 2020

Super_horns said:
They have the 50 plus one rule.

Most teams are for it but some don't like it or have slightly different set ups like RB Leipzig and Wolfsburg

Yeah and those clubs are widely seen as being problematic and generally despised by fans across Germany.

Trapdoor · May 20, 2020

chipmunx said:
Just community based ownership doesn't always work though - Wrexham are a good example of that.

What's not working at Wrexham? Since 2011 they seem to have been pretty stable. They did very well last season and could have gotten promoted with a bit of luck. This season hasn't been great but they are avoiding relegation. Individual seasons can have ups and downs under any ownership model, its the long term stability which makes the difference. Even if you get relegated as long as you have the long term trajectory right you will bounce back and improve.

chipmunx · May 20, 2020

Trapdoor said:
What's not working at Wrexham? Since 2011 they seem to have been pretty stable. They did very well last season and could have gotten promoted with a bit of luck. This season hasn't been great but they are avoiding relegation. Individual seasons can have ups and downs under any ownership model, its the long term stability which makes the difference. Even if you get relegated as long as you have the long term trajectory right you will bounce back and improve.

Take a look on their forum if you have a few hours spare - it's a very enlightening read...

Greenacres · May 20, 2020

I suppose that you can go to the completely opposite end of the spectrum and have clubs owned and run by fans, with really strict limits on how big a stake someone can own (say 5%)...whilst being totally democratic it must be a nightmare to make any decisions or get people to dip into their pockets to fund the club.

Indian Dan · May 20, 2020

Power is the happy, chirpy chappy face of the club and, from what I understand only really owns 35% of it.

Standing/Barry own 50% - verbally agreed! Clem Morfuni owns 15% - acknowledged by Power but as an investment not a purchase of shares which is what is in dispute.

In addition to a proposed sale to the American company, Able, there is also, according to the judge, some Middle East consortium also interested.

Hope it’s not those fuckers at Bristol Rovers!

Luke Imp · May 20, 2020

Another L1 meeting today, with a vote looking likely later in the week.

I suspect when that's done, the EFL/FA will make a decision on whether relegation stands or not.

chipmunx · May 20, 2020

oddly the Bury situation whilst strengthening Barrow's position and chances of going up does seam to have made things tougher for the 2nd promotion spot from the NL. If Bury were still in L2 the fact that Macclesfield and Stevenage are adrift of Morecambe would have been easier to sell to the other clubs than the much smaller gap between Stevenage and Macclesfield with only 1 going down?
Ultimately though I think the FA will say relegation has to happen from L2...

Railway Blue · May 20, 2020

TrinidadsNumberOne said:
Is he successful though? I know he was originally, but he's spent the last 7 years hovering in the same position in League One despite blowing ridiculous fees and wages in that time. The likes of Yeovil and Burton have played Championship football in that time too!

They seem to buy young players cheap, develop them and sell them for big fees.

Railway Blue · May 20, 2020

TrinidadsNumberOne said:
I've always said many get confused between big clubs underachieving (e.g Leeds who probably have one of the biggest national fanbases in the country) and big city clubs (I class these as any city with over 200,000 people but with a lack of major success and a more regional fanbase so Peterborough would just make the cut).

I believe Peterborough have been in the league for 60 years and they've only spent 5 seasons above League One...

Bloody hell ~~ I remember them coming into the league in 1960 and smashing it. Was it Terry Bly who scored 52 goals?

Vanni · May 20, 2020

dedwardp said:
Vanni, am I right in thinking I hear Cambridge fans sing a combination of both 'black and amber army' and 'yellows/yellow army'? It's something I've always found odd unless my hearing is off, as usually clubs tend to (weirdly) get a bit touchy about stuff like that.

Yeah we do, and it's not odd but tinpot if you ask me. Apparently the yellows thing started in the early 90's when John Beck was the manager and he took us up from the fourth division to what is now the championship. The kit was yellow at the time, and it had been so for some 3 years prior to those great couple of seasons. It was only in the 93/94 season that the kit reverted back to amber.

The topic does crop up from time to time on the U's forum but it doesn't seem likely the yellows chant is going away anytime soon. But what can you do eh? :ffs:

Laker · May 20, 2020

shoddycollins said:
Just for reference, because I've little better to do: these are the teams currently in League 2 and Conference National, with TrinidadsNumberOne 's north/south dividing line.
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I’d be delighted to get Yeovil back and lose Northampton..... sigh. :-(

Laker · May 20, 2020

Vanni said:
Yeah we do, and it's not odd but tinpot if you ask me. Apparently the yellows thing started in the early 90's when John Beck was the manager and he took us up from the fourth division to what is now the championship. The kit was yellow at the time, and it had been so for some 3 years prior to those great couple of seasons. It was only in the 93/94 season that the kit reverted back to amber.

The topic does crop up from time to time on the U's forum but it doesn't seem likely the yellows chant is going away anytime soon. But what can you do eh?

It is what it is. The “yellows roaring chant“ is one of my faves to be fair.

Laker · May 20, 2020

Enjoyed reading the bashing of Peterborough, Stevenage and Lee Power on this thread. If you can keep this going, it’ll bring me some much needed cheer during lockdown.

Luke Imp · May 20, 2020

Vote for L1 includes relegation if PPG, so you'd imagine the EFL will block the L2 vote on no relegation.

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