Crewe Alex Sex Abuse Scandal

[JJ1532]

Right, let me just say this. Whilst I don't think getting involved in rampant speculation is at all helpful, we cannot tolerate what is essentially libellous posting. Therefore, some comments will be removed. And if you want a reason why, this is why: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-31299325

I understand this is a very emotive issue and it will generate highly emotive responses. But please take care in what you post. Thanks.

 

[IanPVFC]

All these people saying it was common knowledge in the 80's & 90's, well why the fuck did you not say something, why has it only took till the last few days to say this, makes the online anonymous posters as guilty as Bennell, or maybe they know fuck all and are just shit stirring because they are fans of a rival club or have a weird axe to grind and in the case of SRNP, a very weird axe to grind indeed.

Stopped reading after this paragraph but that alone proved SRNP's points straight away.

"Hi yeah is that the police, I've heard a rumour from my friend's, father's, twice removed cousin's dog, can you investigate please?"

The rumours were everywhere, if you missed them and you lived in the town then I can only assume you've been walking around with your head in the clouds for the past 30 years.

"'The paedophile lads', opponents called us"

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/feb/16/crewe-barry-bennell-micky-fallon

 

[TimeyWimey]

All these people saying it was common knowledge in the 80's & 90's, well why the fuck did you not say something, why has it only took till the last few days to say this, makes the online anonymous posters as guilty as Bennell, or maybe they know fuck all and are just shit stirring because they are fans of a rival club or have a weird axe to grind and in the case of SRNP, a very weird axe to grind indeed.

Let's be quite clear, the main focus is that boys got abused by an evil predator of a man, a man who deserves to die in my opinion. What those then young lads must have gone through, well I cannot imagine, and the whole episode is horrific, and my football team are caught up in it big time. I hope to god that the guilty verdict on Bennall brings some closure for these now grown men, I hope, if they go after compensation that they get it, I'm sure money will not erase the memory and pain, but I hope it helps in some way.

Some of the comments in this thread regarding Crewe Alexandra are awful, even subject to lible actions in the case of this SRNP bellend, I know for a fact that this cock has spammed other sites calling for the club to be demonised, and for some warped reason he has has then sent club officials friend requests on Facebook, why the hell would you do that, it's been suggested he is working for the press, I know his post on this thread has been sent to the club as there could be some libel issues with it, what an idiot you are, Sam. Oh yes, you are known.

I grew up and lived near the ground for the first 20 odd years of my life, that spans the 70's through to the early 90's, the includes the time Bennell was at the club . I never heard any accusations that sexual abuse was taking place, I had a couple of mates who were in the youth set up at the time, they knew nothing, they were not abused and they are shocked that some of their them mates were, they are stunned. But then, the parents of the abused boys, they knew nothing, the boys who were not abused, they knew nothing, their parents knew nothing, no complaints were ever made, Manchester City never warned Crewe about Bennall, yet Bennell brought some of these lads from Manchester to Crewe. In my opinion I honestly think that Crewe Alexandra did not have a clue what was going on, so when fuckwits like SRNP or that sock puppet Timey Wimey (yes he who says the club should get relegated, is the first to react to the original OP, and the first to react to SRNP, Crewe fan my arse) say the club have a duty of care, despite the police clearing the club of any wrong doing, how can you protect people if you do not know it's going on in the first place and nobody complains about it, and the parents are all happy as with the situation at the time, also, if Bennell borough a lot of the the boys from Manchester to Crewe, with the parents permission, how do you guard against that?

I think some people are comparing the safeguards now against the safe guards 20+ years ago, well countless organisations were infultrated back then, it's not an excuse, just a fact, why would a smallish football club like Crewe back then be able to detect a nonce like Bennell if massive oraganisations like the BBC or the Catholic Church couldn't, or so these organisations claim.

I know I will get pelters for my viewpoint, but when I read Oliver 'Stockport County' Holts latest piece of crap aimed at my club in the Daily Mail this morning, well I just fucking snapped, this arsehole tried to make out the whole town of Crewe was in some sort of weird dark and dank sinister mood back in 2016, he wrote this after we lost a home game in December 2016, December in Crewe, a working class northern town at 16:45 late on a Saturday afternoon in December, did this prick expect bright sunshine, anyway, his latest outburst is beyond the pale, he even exonerates Manchester City's involvement, Oliver say's Citeh good peados, Alex bad peados, the fucking shithouse. Holt says the club cobbled together a statement, that they try and celerbrate Woodwards failed legal action, no they don't, they are just pointing out they were found innocent of any wrong doing, Holt also says the club have not apologised, well the club have expressed their sympathy, but if they apooalgised then pricks like Holt would be asking why are you apologising if you are claiming to have done nothing wrong.

To sum up, my semi drunken, semi heartbroken rant, if the police have twice cleared the football club, well 3 times if you count Woodward's failed legal attempt for readys back in 2002 (that's disgraced former Lancashire Police Officer Andy Woodward's by the way) then I believe, as a fan, as a human, that the club did not cover up sexual abuse. I do believe the press have an agenda now, they don't give a shit about the abused lads, they care about a scoop, and because Dario and John Bowler are still on the clubs books this is the angle the press are going for, thy don't want to have their press passes revoked at the Etihad Stadium, epically now that City are on for a quadruple, Holt as already signalled that the press are not after City, despite City pressenting the world with fucking Bennall, or failing to warn us about him, as for little Crewe Alexandra, well we are never going to be footballing box office, not these days, but we would make a nice dark house of horrors story while City lift the Champions League trophy.

The most unsettling thing about this club's reaction is Crewe fans who aren't playing victims are being called fuckwits, 'sock puppets' (wtf?) and aren't Crewe fans. Pure vile hostility towards anyone who has concerns with the story both here and on social media, refusal to enter debate and merely throw insults about, it's embarrassing.

Read back your post. You blame me, SNRP, Woodward, City, Oliver Holt for the whole saga or how it's portrayed, hell even Bennell himself gets less. Blame anyone but Crewe or anyone associated with Crewe. You don't question why the media may be after us. You don't question why absolutely no-one in the world outside of Crewe has any sympathy for this club at all. Why no-one who isn't a Crewe supporter is proclaiming "Poor Dario/Bowler".

You really don't live in the real world if you think these police investigations mean we just carry on as a club without a care in the world, and I'd love to see a parallel case where it was Vale in our position and your reaction. For a start, the police investigations found no evidence the club had knowledge of the abuse, this is definitely not the same as the club's duty of care.

You cry about the media having an 'agenda' against the club. They don't, they have a agenda against Dario and Bowler because they are the two most senior figures at any of the clubs involved who remain in the virtually the very same senior positions (if not more senior). It would be right for both to cut ties with the club in order to allow the club to repair its reputation, instead they play poker face and show little personal remorse that they were in charge at the time anywhere up to 100 kids were abused at their club.

Whether they knew about it or not is actually not a concern to me, I think it's highly likely Bennell groomed them as much as the kids he abused and the crimes were almost invisible, but I'd like to see Bowler and Dario have some morals at least. They were in charge, they were ultimately the two responsible for any kid involved with the club. I'm not bothered if it was "a different time", if safeguarding was less pronounced or how much they knew, working with the facts that kids were abused at the club that they were in charge of. Whether it was 3 or 30 years ago, it shows decency and morality to say sorry that the club didn't spot it and to step away.

I support Crewe as a football club, not Bowler and/or Dario. Whilst forever grateful of what they provided on the pitch, by clinging on to the power of the club they are the ones attracting the media and helping drag this club into the gutter. Whilst they are around, we stand no chance of ever recovering and the longer it goes on the less chance we have of ever recovering.

 

[Douglas_Valley_Reds]

Stopped reading after this paragraph but that alone proved SRNP's points straight away.

"Hi yeah is that the police, I've heard a rumour from my friend's, father's, twice removed cousin's dog, can you investigate please?"

The rumours were everywhere, if you missed them and you lived in the town then I can only assume you've been walking around with your head in the clouds for the past 30 years.

"'The paedophile lads', opponents called us"

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/feb/16/crewe-barry-bennell-micky-fallon

So the opponents of other teams called them the paedophile lads, but nobody questioned why, the authorities were not alerted, the parents of the boys concenred never reported it, the parents of the opposition players never reported it, the lads at Crewe who were not abused never report d or have claimed anything, the police have said that the club have not done anything to cover abuse up, 3 times now. Not once in all my time in Crewe did I ever hear that boys at the football club were being abused, if I had, and I am sure if thousands of Alex fans and residents of Crewe had, then nobody would have gone near the place and this would have been reported and dealt with years ago. Bennell could not have gotten away with what he did for so long if it was out there, it a chance in hell.

 

[Douglas_Valley_Reds]

The most unsettling thing about this club's reaction is Crewe fans who aren't playing victims are being called fuckwits, 'sock puppets' (wtf?) and aren't Crewe fans. Pure vile hostility towards anyone who has concerns with the story both here and on social media, refusal to enter debate and merely throw insults about, it's embarrassing.

Read back your post. You blame me, SNRP, Woodward, City, Oliver Holt for the whole saga or how it's portrayed, hell even Bennell himself gets less. Blame anyone but Crewe or anyone associated with Crewe. You don't question why the media may be after us. You don't question why absolutely no-one in the world outside of Crewe has any sympathy for this club at all. Why no-one who isn't a Crewe supporter is proclaiming "Poor Dario/Bowler".

You really don't live in the real world if you think these police investigations mean we just carry on as a club without a care in the world, and I'd love to see a parallel case where it was Vale in our position and your reaction. For a start, the police investigations found no evidence the club had knowledge of the abuse, this is definitely not the same as the club's duty of care.

You cry about the media having an 'agenda' against the club. They don't, they have a agenda against Dario and Bowler because they are the two most senior figures at any of the clubs involved who remain in the virtually the very same senior positions (if not more senior). It would be right for both to cut ties with the club in order to allow the club to repair its reputation, instead they play poker face and show little personal remorse that they were in charge at the time anywhere up to 100 kids were abused at their club.

Whether they knew about it or not is actually not a concern to me, I think it's highly likely Bennell groomed them as much as the kids he abused and the crimes were almost invisible, but I'd like to see Bowler and Dario have some morals at least. They were in charge, they were ultimately the two responsible for any kid involved with the club. I'm not bothered if it was "a different time", if safeguarding was less pronounced or how much they knew, working with the facts that kids were abused at the club that they were in charge of. Whether it was 3 or 30 years ago, it shows decency and morality to say sorry that the club didn't spot it and to step away.

I support Crewe as a football club, not Bowler and/or Dario. Whilst forever grateful of what they provided on the pitch, by clinging on to the power of the club they are the ones attracting the media and helping drag this club into the gutter. Whilst they are around, we stand no chance of ever recovering and the longer it goes on the less chance we have of ever recovering.

Well firstly, let me appoalgise, I had been drinking a bit yesterday when I let rip, I should not of abused posters on here so I am sorry for that.

However, I stick by my points. If you think I let Bennell off in anyway at all then you are sadly mistaken, Bennell is the reason for all this mess, but if you read what I actually posted you will see I am more concerned with the victims.

I am also into fairness and balance, Oliver Holt does have an issue with the club, you do no he tried to get a press pass for the Colchester match but the club refused him, so surprise surprise his article/rant appears. He got knocked back after his article in December 2016 where he trekked to pain the entire town of Crewe in a bad light, his articles have no balance whatsoever.

I do agree that Dario and John Bowler should step down, my worry is if they do that now people like Holt will then turn around and say, 'I thought you said you did nothing wrong'. I totally 100% believe that neither of these men knew what Bennell was up to, how the club have handled the media side of things, well I think they are being advised on what to say by their legal people, knowing a little bit about legal issues it's all in the wording, if they have been cleared by the police but then say sorry, again they are open to be blamed for something they never did.

I just want justice for the men that were abused, and I hope they have got that in part, but I don't what to see inncocent men, which is my opinion, have their names tarnished and linked to a monster like Bennell, I know this has dragged on and on and Bennell is now interlinked to Crewe Alexandra, put please god, let's not see a campaign of hate against two men who in the eyes of the law are innocent of any wrong doing, because if innocent men get dragged down, then Bennell has struck again.

 

[Chris FGR]

There is a difference between not knowing, and not wanting to know.

I can believe that the people running the club didn't know what was going on, but I'd be surprised if they never heard any rumours. Sometimes it's much easier to ignore rumours and hope everything is ok instead of looking into it.

 

[ValiantRob]

If Crewe knew nothing of Bennells crimes before he was arrested in America, why did they sack him?

 

[AnimoEtFide]

Are there any links to these police investigations that have been mentioned? I'm curious as to what their aims and scope were, because I get the feeling some might be getting a bit carried away waving them around as if they vindicate anyone involved in running the club at the time.

 

[Laker]

So the opponents of other teams called them the paedophile lads, but nobody questioned why, the authorities were not alerted, the parents of the boys concenred never reported it, the parents of the opposition players never reported it, the lads at Crewe who were not abused never report d or have claimed anything, the police have said that the club have not done anything to cover abuse up, 3 times now. Not once in all my time in Crewe did I ever hear that boys at the football club were being abused, if I had, and I am sure if thousands of Alex fans and residents of Crewe had, then nobody would have gone near the place and this would have been reported and dealt with years ago. Bennell could not have gotten away with what he did for so long if it was out there, it a chance in hell.

Jimmy Saville got away with it for decades at the BBC, partly as the beeb turned a blind eye/didn’t follow up on rumours etc. It was out there, he got away with it for so long - if that’s your argument, it doesn’t really stand up to scrutiny.

Crewe (and all clubs for that matter) needed to have a system in place which protected the children in their youth teams. I’d they didn’t, it’s a system failure which then is where the comments of negligence come from. If you can’t see that, there isn’t much else I can say to you.

 

[Cereal Killer]

There is a difference between not knowing, and not wanting to know.

I can believe that the people running the club didn't know what was going on, but I'd be surprised if they never heard any rumours. Sometimes it's much easier to ignore rumours and hope everything is ok instead of looking into it.

I have a problem with the suggestion that everyone knew pre 1994. We didn't, I was part of the SoE around 90/91 and there was no rumours about Bennell.
Being part of that set up I was taunted by school mates about Dario, similar to how some Vale fans continue to taunt us now. But it was given the credence then it has it always has.

The police investigations have found no evidence the club knew, whether they did or not, only they know. Smith has made a number of claims the club knew, which will be his word against Bowler / Dario. I do however struggle with his claims regarding the one allegation made to him directly, as the accuser apparently disappeared immediately after making the allegation. Like you I find it difficult to believe that no one had any idea, but the suggestion made by some that everyone knew whilst he was at the club is a significant distortion of history.

If Crewe knew nothing of Bennells crimes before he was arrested in America, why did they sack him?

The reasons for his dismissal have never been made public, so I guess we may never know, although you would have thought that would have been included in any investigation into the club. The common belief for his dismissal at the time, whilst not painting him in a good light, were not relating these heinous crimes.

The FA hotline has been inundated with allegations and claims of abuse, it's conceivable that this case is just the tip of the iceberg.
I think Timey is spot on, whether they knew about Bennell or regardless of it being a different time, at the end of the day it happened on their watch.

 

[Douglas_Valley_Reds]

Jimmy Saville got away with it for decades at the BBC, partly as the beeb turned a blind eye/didn’t follow up on rumours etc. It was out there, he got away with it for so long - if that’s your argument, it doesn’t really stand up to scrutiny.

Crewe (and all clubs for that matter) needed to have a system in place which protected the children in their youth teams. I’d they didn’t, it’s a system failure which then is where the comments of negligence come from. If you can’t see that, there isn’t much else I can say to you.

My argument is that there were no rumours of sexual abuse that I was aware of, and that's somebody who lived in Crewe, 10 minutes from Gresty Road during Bennells vile reign. I have not yet met one person in Crewe who in the 80's and 90's said, 'boys are getting sexually abused at that football club', so on that basis I believe Bennell ruled by fear and unfortunately got away with if for years, and the club, along with the parents, fellow players, the fans were all unaware of this.

As for negligence, what systems were supps d to be in place, by that I mean was there a miminum requiremnt, if not then it's a failure of the FA or even society. After the first enquiry, Crewe were years ahead of in implementing such checks, hence why that after Bennells original prosecutions, parents still sent their kids to Crewe Alexandra, and still do to this day.

All my posts on this subject are about balance in this. Bennell is a monster, and 31 years in prison will see him off, but it still doesn't feel like enough justice, hence why the press are looking for extra villains, but surely the whole problem should be looked at, not some witch hunt based on 'rumours' that are supposed to be common knowledge that nobody seemingly acted on.

 

[CFC91]

Rumours were rife around the High Peak area for years across late 80's and early 90's. Seems the only place there were no rumours was inside the clubs themselves. Go figure that out.

The girlfriends family are from Buxton and Doveholes and was with them last week when he got sentenced and they were talking about it as if it was common knowledge round the area. I'll admit i've not followed the case at all until the last week or so but it baffles me to think regular people knew what was going off yet those in the hierarchy at Crewe didn't

 

[AnimoEtFide]

According to a Guardian article I read by the late 80s he was banned from attending matches in a Manchester junior league, and was made to feel very unwelcome if he did turn up (forcibly removed, beaten up, etc).

It does seem incredible that he could be banned from attending local junior matches, but no one at Crewe had any cause for looking into matters!

 

[TimeyWimey]

Andy Dunn for the Mirror cannot be grouped with those odious sensationalist hacks Holt and Roan, and yet his piece tonight is damning of the club. Dunn covered the club in the 80s and has been supportive on social media in recent years, certainly not someone with an agenda. Yet he gives an outside view that no one has any respect for us any more. That we may as well disappear off the face of the earth.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/can-only-hope-closure-brave-12072130

Probably just another article for the social media army to mobilise to denounce.

 

[Douglas_Valley_Reds]

Andy Dunn for the Mirror cannot be grouped with those odious sensationalist hacks Holt and Roan, and yet his piece tonight is damning of the club. Dunn covered the club in the 80s and has been supportive on social media in recent years, certainly not someone with an agenda. Yet he gives an outside view that no one has any respect for us any more. That we may as well disappear off the face of the earth.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/can-only-hope-closure-brave-12072130

Probably just another article for the social media army to mobilise to denounce.

What ever the rights and wrongs of Bowler and Gradi still being on the clubs books, innocent or not, and that fact Dunn was a reporter on the Alex in the late 80's & early 90's and he maybe genuinely stunned that Bowler and Gradi are still directors, to just single out the Alex as a club who should disband, or that nobody will care if we get relegated, does smack of an agenda (even if that's not Dunn's intention), espically as there is no mention of Manchester City disbanding, or that nobody would care if City fail to win a trophy this season, seeing as in his first few paragraphs he talks about Gary Cliffe, a poor guy who was abused at Manchester City.

I would be seriously interested to hear Andy Dunns take on the accusations that a lot of people knew there was something not quite right at the club, that rumours were rife locally, that other youth teams were calling the Crewe youth teams 'the peadophile boys', seeing as how he had access to the club, more so than us ordinary fans, he knew the players, he socialised with the players, he spent a lot of time in the area, did he know absolutely nothing like the rest of us?

I don't think the social media army you speak of lash out at articles because they they think they are defending the honour of Crewe Alexandra, more so at the blatant uneven reporting that has been going on, all Alex fans want justice for the abused, but a lot also want to see fairness in how it is reported. If the press are going to give the club a hard time, then give the other clubs involved an equally hard time. Manchester City may have had several ownership changes, they may be able to throw millions at internal enquiries, that should not mean that they can duck media scrutiny.

 

[ValiantRob]

I heard rumours in the mid to late 80s from one friend who`s nephew didn`t get on at Crewe because"he wouldn`t do what the coach wanted him to do" and also a physio who had done some work there told me he would no longer work for Crewe whilst that pervert was still there and that he had informed a director of the club in a public place so that it couldn`t be ignored, that lads were getting abused.

 

[Douglas_Valley_Reds]

also a physio who had done some work there told me he would no longer work for Crewe whilst that pervert was still there and that he had informed a director of the club in a public place so that it couldn`t be ignored, that lads were getting abused.

You would have thought the physio would have come forward seeing the recent trial that took place.....

 

[ValiantRob]

I would think he is dead, he was a pensioner when I saw him in 91 or so.

 

[Dave-Vale]

I’ve previously posted a few things on this forum regarding a former manager at a club in Cheshire about him hosting pool parties for his favourite academy kids and taking them out for tea.

It’s now very interesting that these accusations are coming to light. Very weird that there are claims this former manager cooked lunch for and put on a porn film for a former academy player. Also very weird is the absolute defence of him by Crewe fans.

 

[ValiantRob]

The journos shouldn`t be moaning about him being tightlipped, as any listener to Radio Stoke would testify, Gradi could talk horseshit for hours.

 

[Douglas_Valley_Reds]

I’ve previously posted a few things on this forum regarding a former manager at a club in Cheshire about him hosting pool parties for his favourite academy kids and taking them out for tea.

It’s now very interesting that these accusations are coming to light. Very weird that there are claims this former manager cooked lunch for and put on a porn film for a former academy player. Also very weird is the absolute defence of him by Crewe fans.

I'm not sure 'absolute defence' is the right term, more believing in innocent until proven guilty, so if he get's charged for hosting a party and cooking somebody's tea then we will all put our hands up.

 

[JJ1532]

I’ve previously posted a few things on this forum regarding a former manager at a club in Cheshire about him hosting pool parties for his favourite academy kids and taking them out for tea.

It’s now very interesting that these accusations are coming to light. Very weird that there are claims this former manager cooked lunch for and put on a porn film for a former academy player. Also very weird is the absolute defence of him by Crewe fans.

Yep, you've cracked it. Guy shows kindness to a child, must mean he's a pedophile. Despite the fact that the dodgiest thing all the police and journalists can find on him is one accusation of showing a child a pornographic film, which we can't know if its true or not.

I mean, maybe I'm missing something here, but all Bennell's victims would have been asked the same questions when interviewed. Did Dario know? Did Dario take part? Did he do anything dodgy? And the answer seems to be a clear no from what I can see. The best they can come up with is one former directors saying the board knew and this new accusation that he put on a porn film.

I'm on record on the first page stating I'm disgusted at the clubs response and think Dario should resign for his gross negligence and failure in duty of care. But until I hear any concrete claims that he was involved in anything criminal, lets keep our dickish veiled accusations to ourselves shall we?

 

[Dave-Vale]

I genuinely cannot believe that you don’t think Dario Gradi at least knew about accusations about Bennell and did nothing about them.. From what has been said about this entire mess, it seems like it was pretty well known that Bennell was a serial offender and that Crewe staff seemed to know about it. Hasn’t one of your former board members even come forward and said it was common knowledge?

It is bizarre that you’re so adamant he’s innocent when somebody has come forward and said that Dario cooked him lunch and put on a porn film. Putting on porn films for kids doesn’t equate to showing them kindness. This, along with the fact he’s been suspended and accused of attempting to cover things up elsewhere is just very odd and makes me think there is more to it. There is no smoke without fire and I think this whole thing goes a lot deeper than is currently being reported.

I do feel sorry for the decent Crewe fans here, though. Having this hanging over your club must be awful.

 

[TimeyWimey]

Got the bloody Sherlock of Burslem here.

 

[Douglas_Valley_Reds]

I genuinely cannot believe that you don’t think Dario Gradi at least knew about accusations about Bennell and did nothing about them.. From what has been said about this entire mess, it seems like it was pretty well known that Bennell was a serial offender and that Crewe staff seemed to know about it. Hasn’t one of your former board members even come forward and said it was common knowledge?

It is bizarre that you’re so adamant he’s innocent when somebody has come forward and said that Dario cooked him lunch and put on a porn film. Putting on porn films for kids doesn’t equate to showing them kindness. This, along with the fact he’s been suspended and accused of attempting to cover things up elsewhere is just very odd and makes me think there is more to it. There is no smoke without fire and I think this whole thing goes a lot deeper than is currently being reported.

I do feel sorry for the decent Crewe fans here, though. Having this hanging over your club must be awful.

EXCLUSIVE.

MAN COOKS MEAL SHOCKER.

News is coming through that a well known football coach cooked young footballers a meal, even more more disturbing claims have also emerged that said coach hosted a party. An unknown source also said, 'a video was also played'.

This is Norman Smuthwaite, reporting for Relagation TV. Back to you in the studio.

 

[Dave-Vale]

It’s a bit weird that anybody would even joke about this.

I don’t think it’s that strange that he may or may not have cooked some kids a meal, I do, however, think it’s incredibly fucking bizarre that he allegedly put on a porn film afterwards.

 

[valefan16]

It’s a bit weird that anybody would even joke about this.

I don’t think it’s that strange that he may or may not have cooked some kids a meal, I do, however, think it’s incredibly fucking bizarre that he allegedly put on a porn film afterwards.

Holiday offers is a bit strange to be fair.

 

[Douglas_Valley_Reds]

It’s a bit weird that anybody would even joke about this.

I don’t think it’s that strange that he may or may not have cooked some kids a meal, I do, however, think it’s incredibly fucking bizarre that he allegedly put on a porn film afterwards.

But it's just that, an allergation, from an unnamed source, yet when this is pointed out and posters state that the guy is innocent until proven guilty that's still not enough, and we then get accused of 'defending' wrong doing. So your type of kangaroo court and 'no smoke without fire' bullshit will be treated as a joke.

 

[GTFCfish]

People who say 'There's no smoke without fire' in relation to people being accused of things against Children need to look up what happened to Dave Jones and Matthew Kelly and then see if they still believe that bullshit.

 

[GodsGift]

Looks like Crewe are rejecting media requests to attend tonight's fans' forum.