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Corbyn now has another document apparently leaking the governments report on Boris' deal. No doubt the BBC won't even post this on their website. I do wonder who Corbyn's insider is though.

Basically in short it says that Northern Ireland will have large tariffs on goods with the UK, it will be separate from the UK in practice, it will hurt N. Ireland, Scotland & Wales & there will be checks on goods between the UK & N. Ireland.

All things Boris promised wouldn't happen.
 

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Corbyn now has another document apparently leaking the governments report on Boris' deal. No doubt the BBC won't even post this on their website. I do wonder who Corbyn's insider is though.

Basically in short it says that Northern Ireland will have large tariffs on goods with the UK, it will be separate from the UK in practice, it will hurt N. Ireland, Scotland & Wales & there will be checks on goods between the UK & N. Ireland.

All things Boris promised wouldn't happen.
See bumbling Boris is still avoiding interviews with Andrew Neil (amongst others), no doubt having been advised by the Tory hierarchy to keep well away.
 

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I’m actually at the point of looking forward to the Tories winning this general election. The same fools who voted for Boris will moan why we’re losing parts of the NHS, more cut backs, shortage of public services, businesses leaving the UK and jobs being at risk.

I genuinely am staring to look forward to the point to say, good - you asked for this. Or even better, you deserve this.
These predictions seem decidedly lukewarm next to the prophesies of doom that have preceded a potential Leave majority up until this point. I can't think of a government that hasn't been accused of cutting where they shouldn't, or underfunding public services, or privatising too much of the NHS - it was Labour that got that particular ball rolling after all. It's almost as if you're pre-emptively scaling back your talking points to only the vaguest, most defensible positions of attack, in anticipation of a characteristically centrist Tory government.

Corbyn now has another document apparently leaking the governments report on Boris' deal. No doubt the BBC won't even post this on their website. I do wonder who Corbyn's insider is though.

Basically in short it says that Northern Ireland will have large tariffs on goods with the UK, it will be separate from the UK in practice, it will hurt N. Ireland, Scotland & Wales & there will be checks on goods between the UK & N. Ireland.

All things Boris promised wouldn't happen.
Yeah... but the last time he had a shocking document to share, the one that was supposed to demonstrate that the Tories were going to sell the NHS to the Americans (whatever that means) it showed nothing of the sort. If this document is as substantive as that one, maybe the BBC would be doing him a favour by not drawing attention to it.
 
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You think this Tory party is centrist? :lol:

So you read the document JC published previously? I didn't, hence I haven't really posted much on it. However, you even said yourself "that 451 page document from May's tenure" - so it was in the plan of the Tory party?

The tories in their time have sold off steel, the buses, british aerospace, british airways, BT, electricity, royal mail, british rail, BP, british gas & public water (and probably a lot more too) - yet people some how think they won't sell the NHS?

He lied about his 40 hospitals, he lied about his 50,000 nurses. he lied about the £350m on the side of a bus, he lied about no border in the Irish sea, he misled the queen & prorogued parliament unlawfully. But yeah - he's definitely not lying about the NHS!

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

How many times will this be for Tory voters?

But wait it get's better! It's actually Corbyn's fault for being a weak opposition, that's why I'm voting Tory - because that makes sense..
 
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You think this Tory party is centrist? :lol:

So you read the document JC published previously? I didn't, hence I haven't really posted much on it. However, you even said yourself "that 451 page document from May's tenure" - so it was in the plan of the Tory party?

The tories in their time have sold off steel, the buses, british aerospace, british airways, BT, electricity, royal mail, british rail, BP, british gas & public water (and probably a lot more too) - yet people some how think they won't sell the NHS?
Do you think they'll sell the police too? What about the military? Maybe they privatised the things you list because they belong in the private sector. Maybe they haven't privatised the NHS because it doesn't, and it would be political suicide to even suggest it, let alone pursue it.

But wait it get's better! It's actually Corbyn's fault for being a weak opposition, that's why I'm voting Tory - because that makes sense..
He's someone who is sympathetic to the IRA, Hamas and Hezbollah. He's someone who'd like to replace the monarchy with a republic. He's someone who'd like to 'stop all cuts apart from those to the military' (while we're nearly £2 trillion in debt). He's someone overseeing only the second party ever to be investigated by the EHRC after the BNP for racism. He has seeminly endless ties to overt anti-Semites. He wants to overturn the result of the strongest mandate in the history of British democracy. He wants NATO to be broken up. His ideal Chancellor of the Exchequer is a self-avowed Marxist who openly calls for political violence and "insurrection". He quite transparently tries to bribe the public with fantasies about free broadband and 183 trees planted per minute for 20 years. He's not just "weak opposition", if you didn't know better you'd think Labour were trying to lose.
 

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Do you think they'll sell the police too? What about the military? Maybe they privatised the things you list because they belong in the private sector. Maybe they haven't privatised the NHS because it doesn't, and it would be political suicide to even suggest it, let alone pursue it.



He's someone who is sympathetic to the IRA, Hamas and Hezbollah. He's someone who'd like to replace the monarchy with a republic. He's someone who'd like to 'stop all cuts apart from those to the military' (while we're nearly £2 trillion in debt). He's someone overseeing only the second party ever to be investigated by the EHRC after the BNP for racism. He has seeminly endless ties to overt anti-Semites. He wants to overturn the result of the strongest mandate in the history of British democracy. He wants NATO to be broken up. His ideal Chancellor of the Exchequer is a self-avowed Marxist who openly calls for political violence and "insurrection". He quite transparently tries to bribe the public with fantasies about free broadband and 183 trees planted per minute for 20 years. He's not just "weak opposition", if you didn't know better you'd think Labour were trying to lose.

You've nowt to worry about then have you. :rolleyes:
 

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10 years of Tory rule

☢️ Real terms wages lower than they were a full decade ago

☢️ The worst campaign of lies and deceptions ever seen in British politics

☢️ Homelessness tripled since 2010

☢️ Unlawful arms sales to Saudi war criminals

☢️ Lied to the queen to trick her into unlawfully closing down parliament

☢️ In-work poverty the fastest growing category of destitution

☢️ Exponential growth in food bank dependency

☢️ A decade of systematic Tory persecution of disabled people.

☢️ The slowest post-crisis economic recovery in centuries, thanks to wanton ideologically driven austerity cuts, rather than the targeted investment that was needed

☢️ Unprecedented education cuts

☢️ Skipping the Climate Debate to unveil a monument to a Nazi-sympathising antisemite who said Hitler would be a welcome solution to the "world problem" of Jews.

☢️ Royal Mail flogged off to city speculators at a tiny fraction of its true value

☢️ Soaring violent crime after savage Tory cuts to policing, community outreach, probation, and youth centres

☢️ 130,000 avoidable deaths linked with Tory austerity cuts to NHS and social care

☢️ Terrifying manifesto pledges to tear up the UK constitution to prevent the courts preventing unlawful government behaviour

☢️ Fake 'independent' Facebook pages spending huge sums on sponsored ads to inject Tory propaganda bile into people's news feeds

☢️ Absolute chaos in the justice system due to massive budget cuts, privatised prisons, privatised probation services, privatised forensic science service, export advice ignored, anti-terrorism advice ignored ...

☢️ NHS waiting lists the longest in history as a result of a decade of Tory ideological vandalism

☢️ A former junk bond trader in charge of the UK economy

☢️ And the looming threat of an economy-tanking, job-destroying Brexit bodge job that's somehow even worse than May's rubbish deal

What's not to like?
 

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Do you think they'll sell the police too? What about the military? Maybe they privatised the things you list because they belong in the private sector. Maybe they haven't privatised the NHS because it doesn't, and it would be political suicide to even suggest it, let alone pursue it.
Is this really your argument? No I don't think he'll sell those as to my knowledge (although I'm sure your google will prove me wrong) there is no country with a privatised police force. Not one that works anyway. I work in pharmaceuticals, their health care system works for them, do you think our NHS belongs in the private sector? Because that's the impression you're giving off to me. If it's political suicide to even pursue it, why did the Tory government do it under May, with Boris on her cabinet?!

He's someone who is sympathetic to the IRA, Hamas and Hezbollah. He's someone who'd like to replace the monarchy with a republic. He's someone who'd like to 'stop all cuts apart from those to the military' (while we're nearly £2 trillion in debt). He's someone overseeing only the second party ever to be investigated by the EHRC after the BNP for racism. He has seeminly endless ties to overt anti-Semites. He wants to overturn the result of the strongest mandate in the history of British democracy. He wants NATO to be broken up. His ideal Chancellor of the Exchequer is a self-avowed Marxist who openly calls for political violence and "insurrection". He quite transparently tries to bribe the public with fantasies about free broadband and 183 trees planted per minute for 20 years. He's not just "weak opposition", if you didn't know better you'd think Labour were trying to lose.
I always love the IRA line, for me it shows either a lack of knowledge or just something you picked up from the Sun or from Boris. Go on, how does he sympathise with the IRA over the UK? Looking forward to this one (if you can do it without google, that would be swell, but there is no way I can prove it).

He doesn't want to replace the monarchy, he doesn't believe in it (as very many don't), but he isn't going to dissolve it. In an interview I've seen with him before they asked why dissolving the monarchy wasn't in the manifesto, he replied "because we aren't going to do it".

Funny, UK currently spends 1.8% of GDP on military, Labour manifesto says 2% - hardly a cutback?

EHRC didn't investigate racism, they're investigating anti-semitism. If you want racism, point your finger at Boris himself with his letterbox comments etc as well as islamaphobia within the Tory party. I do agree Corbyn hasn't done enough, but it's hardly something to slate him for when Boris has been openly and publically racist.

Regarding NATO - are you just making sh*t up as you go along? It literally says in their manifesto "We will maintain our commitment to NATO and our close relationship with our European partners, and we will use our influence at the United Nations to support peace and security worldwide." - Talk about fake news ffs

Regarding his CoE - I don't know what you're talking about, so won't comment. However, there are so many faults with both cabinets tbh.

And finally, to top it off - you think planting trees is stupid because it's unrealistic! Brilliant, icing on the cake there! Those bastards, trying to bribe us with a cleaner atmosphere and better wellbeing for me and my children! But dont worry, we know better than that - vote Tory and we'll be much better off with our ever increasing Co2 - we don't need anymore trees

There is SO much more the tories have cocked up, such as education spending being the lowest since what, the 70's? Poverty on the rise, child poverty on the rise, food banks on the rise, crime highest it's ever been & Tory government's allowing terrorists back out - but yeah, you're right it's Labour's fault for making you vote Tory after all this.

Next time, please come out with some evidence of your claims as you're just regurgitating the sun newspaper and Boris Johnson's twitter feed. You've spouted more fake news in 1 post than the Tories' fake "fact checker" has

And you had the cheek to tell me to diversify my news sources :lol:

EDIT: Just remembered about the referendum - he isn't trying to overturn it. He's trying to negotiate a better deal that doesn't split up the UK (which Boris' deal will) which will then go back to the people and make the referendum result legally binding. More fake news mate
 
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10 years of Tory rule

☢️ Real terms wages lower than they were a full decade ago

☢️ The worst campaign of lies and deceptions ever seen in British politics

☢️ Homelessness tripled since 2010

☢️ Unlawful arms sales to Saudi war criminals

☢️ Lied to the queen to trick her into unlawfully closing down parliament

☢️ In-work poverty the fastest growing category of destitution

☢️ Exponential growth in food bank dependency

☢️ A decade of systematic Tory persecution of disabled people.

☢️ The slowest post-crisis economic recovery in centuries, thanks to wanton ideologically driven austerity cuts, rather than the targeted investment that was needed

☢️ Unprecedented education cuts

☢️ Skipping the Climate Debate to unveil a monument to a Nazi-sympathising antisemite who said Hitler would be a welcome solution to the "world problem" of Jews.

☢️ Royal Mail flogged off to city speculators at a tiny fraction of its true value

☢️ Soaring violent crime after savage Tory cuts to policing, community outreach, probation, and youth centres

☢️ 130,000 avoidable deaths linked with Tory austerity cuts to NHS and social care

☢️ Terrifying manifesto pledges to tear up the UK constitution to prevent the courts preventing unlawful government behaviour

☢️ Fake 'independent' Facebook pages spending huge sums on sponsored ads to inject Tory propaganda bile into people's news feeds

☢️ Absolute chaos in the justice system due to massive budget cuts, privatised prisons, privatised probation services, privatised forensic science service, export advice ignored, anti-terrorism advice ignored ...

☢️ NHS waiting lists the longest in history as a result of a decade of Tory ideological vandalism

☢️ A former junk bond trader in charge of the UK economy

☢️ And the looming threat of an economy-tanking, job-destroying Brexit bodge job that's somehow even worse than May's rubbish deal

What's not to like?
Yeah but he didn't lie to the queen, he just misled her and thats only because the supreme court is corrupt as it was convinced by remainers :lol:
 

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Do you get a vote in this election, Gassy, given your current residence in Slovakia? Just curious, no idea how it works.
 

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Do you get a vote in this election, Gassy, given your current residence in Slovakia? Just curious, no idea how it works.
I do indeed mate.

If you live for 15+ or 25+ (can't remember which one) years outside the UK then you lose your chance to vote.

I registered my vote where my mum lives - north east somerset, so have that set up as a proxy. Let's hope I can trust her :lol:
 

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Is this really your argument? No I don't think he'll sell those as to my knowledge (although I'm sure your google will prove me wrong) there is no country with a privatised police force. Not one that works anyway. I work in pharmaceuticals, their health care system works for them, do you think our NHS belongs in the private sector? Because that's the impression you're giving off to me. If it's political suicide to even pursue it, why did the Tory government do it under May, with Boris on her cabinet?!
They didn't, unless you're talking about the same form of privatisation that Labour also pursued. I don't want to privatise the NHS, I'm not sure that anyone in British politics does. Even the libertarians in UKIP never pushed for that. It's a complete no-go in British politics, and mostly used by the left as a scare tactic.

I always love the IRA line, for me it shows either a lack of knowledge or just something you picked up from the Sun or from Boris. Go on, how does he sympathise with the IRA over the UK? Looking forward to this one (if you can do it without google, that would be swell, but there is no way I can prove it).
Why do you keep referencing Google as if fact-checking something with an online search engine is somehow a bad thing?



 
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]He doesn't want to replace the monarchy, he doesn't believe in it (as very many don't), but he isn't going to dissolve it. In an interview I've seen with him before they asked why dissolving the monarchy wasn't in the manifesto, he replied "because we aren't going to do it".

Funny, UK currently spends 1.8% of GDP on military, Labour manifesto says 2% - hardly a cutback?

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Regarding NATO - are you just making sh*t up as you go along? It literally says in their manifesto "We will maintain our commitment to NATO and our close relationship with our European partners, and we will use our influence at the United Nations to support peace and security worldwide." - Talk about fake news ffs
You appear to be conflating Corbyn with the Labour Party manifesto. I was talking specifically about Corbyn, what he represents, and the reasons people wouldn't want to vote for him. I can give you footage of him saying that he wants the UK to be a republic, that he wants to oppose all cuts other than the miltiary, and that he wants NATO to be broken up if you'd like though.

EHRC didn't investigate racism, they're investigating anti-semitism. If you want racism, point your finger at Boris himself with his letterbox comments etc as well as islamaphobia within the Tory party. I do agree Corbyn hasn't done enough, but it's hardly something to slate him for when Boris has been openly and publically racist.
If antisemitism is not racism than "Islamophobia" certainly isn't.

And finally, to top it off - you think planting trees is stupid because it's unrealistic!
No, I think claiming that you can plant 183 per minute is stupid. If any of his mob knew how to operate a calculator then perhaps they wouldn't have made such a moronic promise in the first place.

And you had the cheek to tell me to diversify my news sources :lol:
I stand by it too. That you think the IRA claim is purely propaganda is especially worrying.

EDIT: Just remembered about the referendum - he isn't trying to overturn it. He's trying to negotiate a better deal that doesn't split up the UK (which Boris' deal will) which will then go back to the people and make the referendum result legally binding. More fake news mate
He absolutely is trying to overturn it. He's quite open about negotiating a deal that includes the UK being in a customs union with the EU and having something 'very close to freedom of movement'. It would be Brexit in name only. A horrible deal that his party would campaign against. Why would anyone involved settle for anything different? Both Labour and the EU would have the chance to propose an alternative to Remaining that was so horrible that nobody would vote for it.
 

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So no one wants to do it, yet we have papers proving that Teresa May was in talks to sell the NHS off - you even said it yourself! Could you be in anymore denial?

The reason I use google as a poor fact checker is because for me, I won't talk about something that I don't know. Unfortunately that cannot be said about many Tory voters, I'm not necessarily saying thats you, however most people say he's an IRA & terrorist sympathiser, simply because other people say it, or the Sun tell's them to say it. For me, anyone who uses the Sun as a source to further their argument just ultimately puts their argument in the bin before it's even been made. Get some reputable news sources and then come back to me, you just keep using Sun articles & headlines and use them as fact - again, you somehow tell me to diversify past BBC & Sky News (which report facts) rather than your fake news rightwing newspaper. That's pretty embarrassing for you tbh. The Sun creates so much fake news, it's embarrassing, but for some reason you want me to read more of it? :lol:

So the 3 videos (or which 2 are from the Sun - which immediately show's they're shit). 1st is from someone giving his opinion. Great. What a story! It must be fact. Corbyn said himself "I didn’t support the IRA. I don’t support the IRA. What I want everywhere is a peace process. What I want everywhere is decency and human rights" - but f*ck it, it's easier to believe someone else's belief, rather than the accused, right? The 2nd video, he's saying what he believed at the time was the fastest was to peace - was he wrong? Third video, he condemns all terrorist attacks - I really don't know what you want me to say. Yeah that bastard, he shouldn't condemn all terrorist attacks, only the IRA - bastard! VOTE TORY.

Seriously?

You need to make stronger arguments, with better evidence and from better news sources. There's a reason the Sun & Mail aren't considered excellent sources of journalism - yet you keep posting them as fact.

If you wanted to make a proper point of Corbyn wanting to unify Ireland - I'd tend to agree more with you. But that doesn't mean he's an IRA sympathiser. If that's the case then anyone who supported Ireland being separate also shares the same political goal as the loyalist paramilitaries who were responsible for hundreds of deaths. What is your stance on Iraq? Should we have invaded? If you think yes then you clearly support the death of thousands of innocent people caught in the middle ground. Thats going by your logic, of course - which is flawed to say the very least.

You appear to be conflating Corbyn with the Labour Party manifesto. I was talking specifically about Corbyn, what he represents, and the reasons people wouldn't want to vote for him. I can give you footage of him saying that he wants the UK to be a republic, that he wants to oppose all cuts other than the miltiary, and that he wants NATO to be broken up if you'd like though.
But what does he represent? To you it's something different than it is to me - so don't come on here telling me what he represents because frankly, its disrespectful. His manifesto is surely his word - but you'd rather pick up something from 40 years ago and claim that as what he represents. Yet, you continue to ignore Boris' blatant racism. In fact, you haven't denounced it - I said Corbyn hasn't done enough for antisemitism in his party, yet you haven't once said how Boris hasn't done enough against islamaphobia, nor have you denounced his racist comments. So I can therefore only assume that you support it. You've had a couple of chances to do it, why don't you? Do you support his words and actions on the case?

Boris himself says we can't use his words from his time in media 10 years ago, but for some reason you can use what you believe Corbyn thought 40 years ago. You really couldn't make this shit up, it's ridiculous!

Nice comment on the calculator, care to comment on Boris' math skills on his lies for NHS funding (proven wrong), new hospitals (proven wrong), more police force (proven wrong) and more nurses (proven wrong)? Or is that Corbyns fault as well?
 

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On a separate note, did anyone watch the debate last night? I was going to, but in the end decided against it - I already know who I'm voting for so I don't think there's any point.
 

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Didn't watch it either, no need they are full of the same old soundbites.

Probably asked about Brexit in which Boris would have said he has a deal that will be done by the end of Jan and Jeremy would have said he will get a better deal then bring a referendum back and not care which one wins.

Then probably something about the NHS in which labour will say they will spend billions to save it and accuse Tories of selling it to America. Johno would then counter with NHS isn't for sale.

That's probably about it for the night.
 

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Didn't watch it either, no need they are full of the same old soundbites.

Probably asked about Brexit in which Boris would have said he has a deal that will be done by the end of Jan and Jeremy would have said he will get a better deal then bring a referendum back and not care which one wins.

Then probably something about the NHS in which labour will say they will spend billions to save it and accuse Tories of selling it to America. Johno would then counter with NHS isn't for sale.

That's probably about it for the night.
From what I read of the BBC feed - that is literally what happened for an hour
 

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Didn't watch it either, no need they are full of the same old soundbites.
It was better than the ITV one as they weren’t interrupted as often and were given more time to develop their answers, but the content was predictable and didn’t deviate too far from what you imagined.

I do wonder whether these debates – a very American thing which, if memory serves, we imported as few as 10 years ago – have added anything valuable to our electoral process. I prefer interviews.

On which note, it’s sad to see that Team Boris still seems intent on ducking the Andrew Neil interview. I get the cynical calculation they’re making – being thought cowardly is less damaging that being torn to shreds on live TV a few days before an election – but it’s so dispiriting. Like her or loathe her, can you imagine Thatcher flaking out like that?

Really is a 'pick your least worst option' election. Will be glad when it’s over.
 

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10 years of Tory rule

☢️ Real terms wages lower than they were a full decade ago

☢️ The worst campaign of lies and deceptions ever seen in British politics

☢️ Homelessness tripled since 2010

☢️ Unlawful arms sales to Saudi war criminals

☢️ Lied to the queen to trick her into unlawfully closing down parliament

☢️ In-work poverty the fastest growing category of destitution

☢️ Exponential growth in food bank dependency

☢️ A decade of systematic Tory persecution of disabled people.

☢️ The slowest post-crisis economic recovery in centuries, thanks to wanton ideologically driven austerity cuts, rather than the targeted investment that was needed

☢️ Unprecedented education cuts

☢️ Skipping the Climate Debate to unveil a monument to a Nazi-sympathising antisemite who said Hitler would be a welcome solution to the "world problem" of Jews.

☢️ Royal Mail flogged off to city speculators at a tiny fraction of its true value

☢️ Soaring violent crime after savage Tory cuts to policing, community outreach, probation, and youth centres

☢️ 130,000 avoidable deaths linked with Tory austerity cuts to NHS and social care

☢️ Terrifying manifesto pledges to tear up the UK constitution to prevent the courts preventing unlawful government behaviour

☢️ Fake 'independent' Facebook pages spending huge sums on sponsored ads to inject Tory propaganda bile into people's news feeds

☢️ Absolute chaos in the justice system due to massive budget cuts, privatised prisons, privatised probation services, privatised forensic science service, export advice ignored, anti-terrorism advice ignored ...

☢️ NHS waiting lists the longest in history as a result of a decade of Tory ideological vandalism

☢️ A former junk bond trader in charge of the UK economy

☢️ And the looming threat of an economy-tanking, job-destroying Brexit bodge job that's somehow even worse than May's rubbish deal

What's not to like?
But apart from that.....
 

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For those lefties hoping for a repeat of 2017, which i doubted this would be as 2017 was both parties promising to respect the referendum, and then waiting on survation poll....

Not good news showing a huge 14 point lead to Tories on their latest poll with 4 days to go, equivalent in 2017 showed a one point lead.

Average from all polls still shows Tories on around 10 point lead, around the same as start of campaign, not a lot has changed.

So still looking like a big Tory majority unless the polls really are useless and a waste of time.
 

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Yeah I think we're on course for a Tory majority. If that's what the majority of people want, then that's what they'll get - so fair play.

It's just unfortunate as those opposing had the power to stop Boris, but ultimately threw their chance away.
 

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I just think it’s a crap position to take on Brexit - some may say it’s clear but in reality it seems muddled and doesn’t provide a clear way forward for the next 12 months or so aside from another referendum, another negotiation, delay etc. People are done with it I think.

They needed to nail their flag to one or the other, leave or remain, and just face up to the consequences. Yes they’d have lost some of their own voters but they’d have gained more “floating” voters. If they’d gone “leave” they would probably have eaten into the Tory vote more (split the “leave vote” if you like) and I think a lot of Labour Remainers would have stuck with them. If they’d gone Remain I think they could really have campaigned on that hard and made good ground too, more so than the Lib Dems have. But this middle ground just gives them nothing.
 

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His party have had 9 years to sort it out, nobody should have any confidence that the next 5 years will be any different if he gets a majority.

I phoned for a doctors appointment and was given a date 3 weeks further on, what good is that?

My 4 year old grandson was taken to his doctor last Friday because he took ill and his temperature was very high.
The receptionist said all appointments for the day were booked, with no emergency appointments available.
She told them to go to A & E instead, so after a 5 hour wait he was diagnosed as having a hearing infection.
The doctor gave them a prescription for antibiotics eventually and thankfully he is feeling better now.

Obviously this is not on the same scale as the poor lad in Leeds but it does show how short of resources the NHS is under this government.
 

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His party have had 9 years to sort it out, nobody should have any confidence that the next 5 years will be any different if he gets a majority.

I phoned for a doctors appointment and was given a date 3 weeks further on, what good is that?

My 4 year old grandson was taken to his doctor last Friday because he took ill and his temperature was very high.
The receptionist said all appointments for the day were booked, with no emergency appointments available.
She told them to go to A & E instead, so after a 5 hour wait he was diagnosed as having a hearing infection.
The doctor gave them a prescription for antibiotics eventually and thankfully he is feeling better now.

Obviously this is not on the same scale as the poor lad in Leeds but it does show how short of resources the NHS is under this government.
Sorry to hear about those issues Millerbri - wishing your family well and a speedy recovery.

I agree with what you say and ultimately, if the Tories really wanted to fund the NHS, they would have done it by now, seeming as they've been in power for 9 years. Instead, what have they done? Sadly it's a desperate ploy for votes and what's worse is that it's working.
 

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Forgot to mention this: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-50711868

It comes as the leader of the Democratic Unionist Party, Arlene Foster, said Mr Johnson "broke [his] word" after promising there would be no checks between Great Britain and Northern Ireland after Brexit - a red line for her and her candidates.
Throughout the election campaign, the PM has denied there will be checks in the Irish Sea, despite telling the BBC in the days after his deal was agreed that some checks would be needed.

Mr Johnson's deal with the EU does mean there will be checks on goods going from Great Britain to Northern Ireland but there has been confusion on whether there will be checks on goods going in the other direction.

The BBC has also seen the document - which was circulated to senior officials in Whitehall last week - that warns of "high levels of checks and controls" as a result of the deal, and says there may be "legal and political" impacts.

It reads: "Delivery of the required infrastructure, associated systems, and staffing to implement the requirements of the protocol by December 2020 represents a major strategic, political and operational challenge."

Speaking to Today, Ms Foster said the DUP had spoken to HMRC officials after Mr Johnson's deal was done, and they had made it "very clear" to her that there would need to be checks on goods travelling between Northern Ireland and Great Britain.

"This is very concerning for us as it goes to the heart of the act of union," she said.
"Boris wants to, in his words, 'get Brexit done', and I completely understand that. But you can't leave part of the UK in a worse-off position."


Asked repeatedly whether she could now trust anything the prime minister said, Ms Foster added: "It is very important for us in Northern Ireland not just to have the words but the detail. It says more about the person who broke their word.
What?! You mean to say there will be a border after Boris said there wouldn't? And you're saying that Boris, has broken his word? Well maybe he did, like he did on everything else - but he wouldn't on the NHS.
 

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Sorry to hear about those issues Millerbri - wishing your family well and a speedy recovery.

I agree with what you say and ultimately, if the Tories really wanted to fund the NHS, they would have done it by now, seeming as they've been in power for 9 years. Instead, what have they done? Sadly it's a desperate ploy for votes and what's worse is that it's working.
I honestly don't blame the Tory party, lying is the only way they can win.
By rights there are enough working class voters that should make sure they should never get elected.

It's just Tories doing what Tories always do backed by 90% of the written media and TV.
I blame the gullible working classes for repetitively falling for their lies and voting for them.
 

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Working class, and frequently smug, tories are the absolute worst. Especially the ones who think voting Tory will just end the Brexit debacle and that we’ll never have to hear about it again.
 

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