Oh great here comes FC Arsenal of London...

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Not quite FC Arsenal of London but Dial Square FC are due to be set up in protest of Arsenal FC & join the Combined Counties League next season. They seem to have a satnav somehow even worse than AFC Wimbledon's was in 2002 as they'll be starting life ground sharing with Abbey Rangers in Addlestone.

Getting a bit bored of all these hobby clubs that 99% of the time seem to all be starting life in the Combined Counties region. Go make your new club somewhere else, the Spartan South Midlands League needs some love.
 

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And what'll they do once all their quarrels with Arsenal are no longer applicable, fold the new club & go back? If the FC United experiment has shown anything it's that splitting the fanbase up does more harm than good, when you remove those with the wherewithal to protest from the main club then all you've got left is meek customers. If there's one thing I'm proud of about County's odyssey down the leagues, it's how the fans stayed. Boycotts & splitting up fans is completely counter-productive.
 
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And of course they will be followed by thousands of arrogant plastics as they spend years smashing teams 8-0 every week and thumbing their noses at them all

When the going gets tough?, well, your perfect example is FSCUM

Fair play Stockport, its what proper fans of proper clubs do when it all goes wrong.
 

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There are so many things wrong with this.

Arsenal's historic links to Woolwich are so old that they're just no longer relevant. There's no Arsenal fanbase in Woolwich desperate for a return.

There are an enormous number of non-league clubs in London. The competition is vast. Dial Square will have a very hard time competing.

Addlestone isn't even vaguely near Woolwich, let alone Islington. It isn't even in London. How weak are Dial Square's contacts within non-league that they have ended up with a groundshare about 70th on the list of groundshares that would have made sense on some level?

Addlestone has shocking transport links. It's a real effort to get there even for the small handful of people who will be interested. Even if they really couldn't find a London ground, surely Herts or Essex would have made far more sense. It isn't even the most sensible option in that part of Surrey.

This is more AFC Liverpool than AFC Wimbledon or even FC United. They might have had a chance if they had made any serious effort to find a London groundshare, but in truth their average attendance will be about 150 max. Waste of time.
 

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Well, they'll have virtually no chance of getting planning permission for a ground in London, so they'll disappear back into the abyss in due course.
 
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FC United who have bought non corporate football and the pure love of it back to a few thousand people. Yeah what a terrible thing....

The people you meet at fcum share the same love of the game, in its purest sense, as to why we come and spend time on a non league message board sharing our own clubs and match related experiences of mirth, laughter,oddity and immediacy.

Some of us have seen total arses run our clubs, a few well run, some wonderfully mediocre. I don't understand how fans building their own club for the sake of the fans is a bad and derided by a some on here when fcum get mentioned.

Great ground, true spirit to a match day with music, great priced booze and food, easy to get to from the city centre, with fans first. They travel in numbers and established a club that gets a reasonable turn out consistently, all whilst adding socially to their area of Manchester (putting many of our clubs to absolute shame in this regard).

Reminds me that there are still the same types of narrow minded, petty jealousy and lack of knowledge that inhabits some areas of this message board as you would see on any premier League BBC have your say thread.
 

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FC United who have bought non corporate football and the pure love of it back to a few thousand people. Yeah what a terrible thing....

The people you meet at fcum share the same love of the game, in its purest sense, as to why we come and spend time on a non league message board sharing our own clubs and match related experiences of mirth, laughter,oddity and immediacy.

Some of us have seen total arses run our clubs, a few well run, some wonderfully mediocre. I don't understand how fans building their own club for the sake of the fans is a bad and derided by a some on here when fcum get mentioned.

Great ground, true spirit to a match day with music, great priced booze and food, easy to get to from the city centre, with fans first. They travel in numbers and established a club that gets a reasonable turn out consistently, all whilst adding socially to their area of Manchester (putting many of our clubs to absolute shame in this regard).

Reminds me that there are still the same types of narrow minded, petty jealousy and lack of knowledge that inhabits some areas of this message board as you would see on any premier League BBC have your say thread.
I have no real issue with FCUM but what's being proposed here is not Arsenal fans' answer to FCUM in any way. It is literally just one guy on an ego trip.
 
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There's no jealousy about FC United. They already had a club which they still sing about on a matchday. They still sing about hating Leeds which probably hurts all those who have jumped on the Harrogate bandwagon since an idiot started funding them way above whats sustainable.

FC United were pretty quick to tell us all how they were saving football but also pretty quick to abandon these principles when a Live FA cup game meant they played on a Friday rather than 'Saturday at 3pm only' which was their mantra. I've no time for protest clubs or bankrolled projects. In fact the only people who think others are jealous are 'fans' of protest clubs and fans of bankrolled projects
 
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Oh dear 'a protest club'.

Bit more than that now but that and any knowledge and experience of the club first hand is way over your head Simon in Surrey. As for football culture, yeah bet you are immersed in it down your way....

So the lads who travel in there hundreds to every away game (putting your turn outs to shame), many of whom have more exposure to football culture and more history to their match day going than you can ever post on a message board, are not allowed to sing the songs of their youth on the Stretford end? They just forget it all yeah? How simple life works down in commutersville for you.

As for the dig about town ( obviously touched a nerve with you my last post), I know first hand what it is like to see my club handed over to the hands of a very rich family and the attitude towards fans that comes with it and the huge fall out when daddys boy decides to get a grown up job. So too the bandwagon jumpers who won't give a feck about the previous hundred years of history when it all goes wrong, with the club running at between £5-7m of debt on the books of a house building company.

So I am in agreement with you there and why I am amazed that some, like yourself, would be resentful at a group of fans putting their time and efforts into creating their own, fan focused club. A club not run to the whims of one or two men. A club run to a very strict budget with no Surrey dodgy paper millionaires to fund them. A club, as I say, that is also having a massive impact on the local community. With far more integrity and meaning than some of the dross you have been fed courtesy of the masters, sorry, I meant owners of your underachievers

Cheers for proving my earlier point about the under informed nature of some posts, the odd slanted view of what football and fan ownership can be about.
 
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What the fuck do you know about our turn outs ?.

Part TIme Woking, average gate 2,183
Bankrolled Plastic Hobby Club HTFC 1,333

And you're second in the league, so whats the point ?

Mind you the 20 or so you bought to us were so typical of the type of fan that newly monied clubs attract

Do your research, I've done mine
http://harrogatetownfc.forumotion.com/t3173-falling-attendances
 
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Oh dear 'a protest club'.



Bit more than that now but that and any knowledge and experience of the club first hand is way over your head Simon in Surrey. As for football culture, yeah bet you are immersed in it down your way....

So the lads who travel in there hundreds to every away game (putting your turn outs to shame), many of whom have more exposure to football culture and more history to their match day going than you can ever post on a message board, are not allowed to sing the songs of their youth on the Stretford end? They just forget it all yeah? How simple life works down in commutersville for you.

As for the dig about town ( obviously touched a nerve with you my last post), I know first hand what it is like to see my club handed over to the hands of a very rich family and the attitude towards fans that comes with it and the huge fall out when daddys boy decides to get a grown up job. So too the bandwagon jumpers who won't give a feck about the previous hundred years of history when it all goes wrong, with the club running at between £5-7m of debt on the books of a house building company.

So I am in agreement with you there and why I am amazed that some, like yourself, would be resentful at a group of fans putting their time and efforts into creating their own, fan focused club. A club not run to the whims of one or two men. A club run to a very strict budget with no Surrey dodgy paper millionaires to fund them. A club, as I say, that is also having a massive impact on the local community. With far more integrity and meaning than some of the dross you have been fed courtesy of the masters, sorry, I meant owners of your underachievers

Cheers for proving my earlier point about the under informed nature of some posts, the odd slanted view of what football and fan ownership can be about.
FC United fans cant claim the history of Manchester United as Manchester United still exist, so their 'history/culture' begins in 2005 so as much as it pains me to say it - Woking, who have been going since 1889, has defacto more history & culture than FC United & that is statistically not arguable. That's the point of a breakaway club. They have broken away from their original side. They are not a continuation, a side thing, anything to do with the other club whatsoever. The whole raison d'etre is to NOT be Manchester United so to claim anything from them is hypocrisy. Only proper phoenix clubs (not you, Wimbledon) have the right to do this.

I don't have any malice towards FC United myself, aside from media wankfest that surrounds these brand new clubs forming - but even that is totally understandable when looking at it from a distance. This Dial Square AFC Arsenal of London malarkey, however, as it transpires is neither fan owned or a breakaway by any recognised group of Arsenal fans & is further perpetuation of the breakaway club bandwagon. So although they go in to the category alongside AFC Wimbledon, AFC Liverpool & Enfield Town (the originals of this jump ship & move on business!) they are not run in any kind of fan owned/fan involved way so garner absolutely zero respect.
 
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What the fuck do you know about our turn outs ?.

Part TIme Woking, average gate 2,183
Bankrolled Plastic Hobby Club HTFC 1,333

And you're second in the league, so whats the point ?

Mind you the 20 or so you bought to us were so typical of the type of fan that newly monied clubs attract

Do your research, I've done mine
http://harrogatetownfc.forumotion.com/t3173-falling-attendances
Was talking about FCUM not Town.

Reread, and I do know about about attendances home counties soft lad.
 

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Was talking about FCUM not Town.

Reread, and I do know about about attendances home counties soft lad.
Oh dear. Oh Betty, come and listen to this, West and South Yorkies wholeheartedly regard North Yorkies, especially Harrogate as a Home Counties plantation! Soft lad? Watcha gonna do, spray him with your mace? :fl:
 

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Here's a handy illustration of the extent to which the wretched Salford City have stolen the thunder and for some, the raison d'etre of FC United. The grounds are just 5 miles apart.

The figures shown are the respective average attendances:

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Here's a handy illustration of the extent to which the wretched Salford City have stolen the thunder and for some, the raison d'etre of FC United. The grounds are just 5 miles apart.

The figures shown are the respective average attendances:

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Wow, it's almost like the main reason people support United in the first place is because they win stuff.
 
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Here's a handy illustration of the extent to which the wretched Salford City have stolen the thunder and for some, the raison d'etre of FC United. The grounds are just 5 miles apart.

The figures shown are the respective average attendances:

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...and yet they still get a bigger average attendance than the tax payer funded phoenix club you support, TWO divisions below you lot.

Now that is tinpot.

Ps if you did know owt about FCUM you would know the 'raison d'etre' for the club is a polar opposite to Salford you poor little halfwit.
 

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1. No they don't, you clot.
2. They're both Man Utd tribute bands. Unless you think Salford aren't trading on the celebrity of The Class of 92. They even changed their colours to match. FC abandoned their original reason d'etre the first time they switched a match from Saturday afternoon to Friday night for TV. Thanks for participating, here get yourself a cream cake and a pot of tea. :£
 

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