Coronavirus and League 2

Andy Proctor · May 9, 2020

How much does barrows away end hold and is it terracing or seating?

chipmunx · May 9, 2020

Andy Proctor said:
How much does barrows away end hold and is it terracing or seating?

I think we were limiting away fans to 550 this season although with a roof going on the Holker Street End this summer that should go up. Just over 200 seating and 350 standing.

AdamStag · May 9, 2020

Andy Proctor said:
How much does barrows away end hold and is it terracing or seating?

Barrows ground is erm, interesting. You’ve probably played football on a park somewhere bigger than holker st, but it’s a proper blast from the past and a cracking day out

https://www.nwemail.co.uk/sport/bar...-ambitious-plans-for-new-holker-street-stand/

Andy Proctor · May 10, 2020

AdamStag said:
Barrows ground is erm, interesting. You’ve probably played football on a park somewhere bigger than holker st, but it’s a proper blast from the past and a cracking day out

https://www.nwemail.co.uk/sport/bar...-ambitious-plans-for-new-holker-street-stand/

Is it as bad as Wimbledon's ground?

AdamStag · May 10, 2020

Andy Proctor said:
Is it as bad as Wimbledon's ground?

well click the link lol

plops · May 10, 2020

Wycombe will be pretty pissed with that outcome as ppg 1.74 only counting as 1 then losing out on goal difference to oxford who have an inferior ppg. No method will please all but wow. Season is clearly done though.

Exeter missing out again.

give it a month or two and I could see both being promoted off the back of other clubs above going bankrupt.

valefan16 · May 10, 2020

plops said:
Wycombe will be pretty pissed with that outcome as ppg 1.74 only counting as 1 then losing out on goal difference to oxford who have an inferior ppg. No method will please all but wow. Season is clearly done though.

Exeter missing out again.

give it a month or two and I could see both being promoted off the back of other clubs above going bankrupt.

Half of league two might end up in league one making up the numbers at this rate... probably just the half that is left of league two.

TrinidadsNumberOne · May 11, 2020

I've seen that McAnthony reckons there'll be mass administrations at clubs as soon as the new season is declared once their league positions for 2019-2020 are deemed to be final.

Judging by that, we could see the well run clubs get a 12 point headstart on those who'll have to cut their cloth through admin accordingly. Not sure how that would really work though, seemed a little too simplistic to me...

AdamStag · May 11, 2020

From what I understand we’d be covered thankfully but with a substantially reduced budget / but then again everyone will be

Greenacres · May 11, 2020

AdamStag said:
From what I understand we’d be covered thankfully but with a substantially reduced budget / but then again everyone will be

I think we might be too, with our Chairman owning an energy company...apparently the income of companies in the domestic sector rose significantly with the increase in demand from more people working at home.

AdamStag · May 11, 2020

I still maintain a season or 2 of north/south leagues would work to cut costs

KeithH · May 11, 2020

TrinidadsNumberOne said:
Will more than likely be 2 up from the NL as L2 would have 23 clubs otherwise given Bury went bust. So Harrogate look set for L2 as well.

Bury, believe it or not have not (yet) gone bust but have been expelled (rightly) for being a complete basket case.
Grizzly is still infecting the place and I no longer have a bleeding clue what will happen to us.

TrinidadsNumberOne · May 11, 2020

AdamStag said:
I still maintain a season or 2 of north/south leagues would work to cut costs

It wouldn't though in fairness. Our club said travel for each game and accommodation for night matches comes to £30,000 for the season. The salary of a young player on just under £600 a week more or less.

All it'd do is say when we play Carlisle we'd take 400-500 because it's a mid-range away day, we'd end up taking 200 because our fans would rather go to Walsall, Shrewsbury, Vale, Tranmere, Macclesfield and Burton instead and they're in a position where they have to pick and choose rather than go every game cos they can't afford to. It'd just offset and probably be even worse given there'd be less promotion places to play for, so more clubs would have dead seasons.

TrinidadsNumberOne · May 11, 2020

KeithH said:
Bury, believe it or not have not (yet) gone bust but have been expelled (rightly) for being a complete basket case.
Grizzly is still infecting the place and I no longer have a bleeding clue what will happen to us.

I don't know why some of your fans are believing he'll actually sell the club. I'm no expert on Bury but seeing how vindictive he was last year, he knows there's no resale value and it appears to be a big "fuck you" to all those who gave him shit at his house in Prestbury last year.

I think he gets a kick off the fact that he can determine the future of a community asset that so many people he doesn't like love which means he can deprive them of it. This will go on for years if they're not wound up, and they need to be as regrettable as I sound. So the people of Bury can move on and get back to watching football.

Boletus Edulis · May 11, 2020

AdamStag said:
I still maintain a season or 2 of north/south leagues would work to cut costs

We travel the furthest and our owner explicitly ruled that out. First, he said the travel was a really small part of the budget. Two, we like it, this is part of the brand. If the club in theory most likely to benefit says no, can’t see where this idea having legs.

TrinidadsNumberOne · May 11, 2020

Boletus Edulis said:
We travel the furthest and our owner explicitly ruled that out. First, he said the travel was a really small part of the budget. Two, we like it, this is part of the brand. If the club in theory most likely to benefit says no, can’t see where this idea having legs.

Narrow minded bankrolling owners like Andy Pilley thinking they'd get full away ends every week from only Northern clubs is the only reason it was even brought to the table.

AdamStag · May 11, 2020

Boletus Edulis said:
We travel the furthest and our owner explicitly ruled that out. First, he said the travel was a really small part of the budget. Two, we like it, this is part of the brand. If the club in theory most likely to benefit says no, can’t see where this idea having legs.

Well fair enough, I guess you’d have further to travel than most of us, from Mansfield’s perspective we’re pretty central.

Maybe when it comes to away travel stop overs it’s going to be something of the past and players will have to learn to deal with it.

Luke Imp · May 11, 2020

dedwardp said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52595505

Here we go.

Didn't take long to plant the seed did it? The vultures circle even when their own house isn't in order.

AdamStag · May 11, 2020

Luke Imp said:
Didn't take long to plant the seed did it? The vultures circle even when their own house isn't in order.

That can fuck right off.

Luke Imp · May 11, 2020

The Club's stance is totally against regionalisation and it makes little difference to us because if we're not going down to Portsmouth, we're at Barrow. Or down to Gillingham, we're at Carlisle etc.

TrinidadsNumberOne · May 11, 2020

Of all teams to suggest it though it's fucking Brighton.

Brighton.

That team that cried when Goldstone Ground was sold under their noses to developers. That team who begged and cried for fans to support them, and Plymouth fans did so exceptionally if I remember rightly. That team who had to play home games at Gillingham for 2 years. The team that had to call a shit suburban athletics ground with temporary stands and a laughable PA system their home for 12 years.

That team that were 90 minutes away from the Conference which would've seen them go bust but they survived in a do or die game with Hereford.

That team who have spent 7 seasons of their entire history in the top flight, and they want B teams.

This is Brighton. A club the Premier League could easily survive without and a club that aren't a big name. They're a corporate shell run by corporate suits who know fuck all about the game. Most their fanbase have only popped up since 2011 when a shiny new stadium was built. They're an artificial construct detached from their community and they're not the club they once were. I was made up when they moved to their new stadium, now I'm wishing they suffer endlessly after how they've gone about this to save their own skins when they know they'll be relegated on form if the season resumes.

Ashworth their technical director is a proper FA suit you can tell. Every FA bloke's idea of improvements to the English game is "Look at what other countries do, adopt the exact same methods and we'll be successful" rather than actually be a visionary. Visionaries don't go well with the FA who are stuck in the 1880s. It's why Brian Clough never managed us and it's why we spent 15 years picking players for our national team on brand and marketability over actually constructing a talented team on the pitch.

But back to Brighton, and this ghastly extract from an Athletic article last year is the reason why we, as fans of community clubs, should wish for their swift return back to the lower leagues at once. Nothing but a bankrolled corporate shell of a once proud football club...

Westdene Seagull · May 11, 2020

Difficult to know where to start with such a load of bile - most either being inaccurate or at the very least lacking any context.

But start I will and I will start with your absurd suggestion that the Goldstone was "sold under their noses". Fans knew it was being sold thanks to changes to the Articles of Association lodged by the club at Companies House ( and spotted by a keen eyed fan who happened to be an accountant ). This led to protests, pitch invasions ( such as at the televised match at Bournemouth where the commentator showed perfectly the authorities lack of understating of what was going on ) and of course the infamous abandonment of the York game which was meant to be the last game at the Goldstone. The protests forced the board to agree another year at the Goldstone.

Let's also remember that the sale of the ground was organised by the then Chairman, owner and criminal - Bill Archer. Someone the whole fan base and the local press and local council had tried to get out of the club. Along with his disgusting sidekick and Lib Dem party member David Bellotti ( now thankfully dead ).

So the ground wasn't sold under our noses - it was sold against our wishes. The FA did eff all, most football league chairmen did eff all ( Crewe included ! ). Thankfully fans of nearly all clubs did and we kick Archer out of the club after a long and imaginative campaign.

I was going to reply to the rest of your drivel but can't really be bothered. Other than to say, at least I don't support a club that employed a pedophile and attempted to cover it up.

Vanni · May 11, 2020

TrinidadsNumberOne said:
Of all teams to suggest it though it's fucking Brighton.

Brighton.

That team that cried when Goldstone Ground was sold under their noses to developers. That team who begged and cried for fans to support them, and Plymouth fans did so exceptionally if I remember rightly. That team who had to play home games at Gillingham for 2 years. The team that had to call a shit suburban athletics ground with temporary stands and a laughable PA system their home for 12 years.

That team that were 90 minutes away from the Conference which would've seen them go bust but they survived in a do or die game with Hereford.

That team who have spent 7 seasons of their entire history in the top flight, and they want B teams.

This is Brighton. A club the Premier League could easily survive without and a club that aren't a big name. They're a corporate shell run by corporate suits who know fuck all about the game. Most their fanbase have only popped up since 2011 when a shiny new stadium was built. They're an artificial construct detached from their community and they're not the club they once were. I was made up when they moved to their new stadium, now I'm wishing they suffer endlessly after how they've gone about this to save their own skins when they know they'll be relegated on form if the season resumes.

Ashworth their technical director is a proper FA suit you can tell. Every FA bloke's idea of improvements to the English game is "Look at what other countries do, adopt the exact same methods and we'll be successful" rather than actually be a visionary. Visionaries don't go well with the FA who are stuck in the 1880s. It's why Brian Clough never managed us and it's why we spent 15 years picking players for our national team on brand and marketability over actually constructing a talented team on the pitch.

But back to Brighton, and this ghastly extract from an Athletic article last year is the reason why we, as fans of community clubs, should wish for their swift return back to the lower leagues at once. Nothing but a bankrolled corporate shell of a once proud football club...

''That team that were 90 minutes away from the Conference which would've seen them go bust but they survived in a do or die game with Hereford.''

You probably know this but what saved Brighton that season was that goals scored took precedence over goal difference at the time. Hereford having a better GD was all for nowt.

TrinidadsNumberOne · May 11, 2020

Vanni said:
''That team that were 90 minutes away from the Conference which would've seen them go bust but they survived in a do or die game with Hereford.''

You probably know this but what saved Brighton that season was that goals scored took precedence over goal difference at the time. Hereford having a better GD was all for nowt.

Definitely remember Bury getting screwed over by the same rule when Port Vale would've gone down on GD rules in 1999 but I never knew Brighton stayed up on GS as well!

What a stupid rule that was for the brief period it existed. IIRC, QPR beat Palace 6-0 on that final day to make sure they wouldn't go down on the GS rule too, there was a lot of mither about it from Bury fans after it happened...

shoddycollins · May 11, 2020

dedwardp said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52595505

Here we go.

'Creative solutions', and so he dredges up the old proposal that the FA have claimed is the solution to everything from England going out of the world cup to climate change.

TrinidadsNumberOne · May 11, 2020

It's just corporate twaddle. The likes of Ashworth are as bad as agents for leeching from the game. Imagine if Brian Clough had to work with a "Technical Director" in his day...

Camborne Gills · May 11, 2020

What self respecting supporter of a L1 or L2 side is going to go to a PL stadium which will be 95% empty, to watch players they have never heard of, and.....
I could imagine that away ends would reminiscent of that famous picture of the sole visiting supporter at Leigh RMI a few years back.

Seems that Brighton want to become the new Franchise.

TrinidadsNumberOne · May 11, 2020

Westdene Seagull said:
Difficult to know where to start with such a load of bile - most either being inaccurate or at the very least lacking any context.

But start I will and I will start with your absurd suggestion that the Goldstone was "sold under their noses". Fans knew it was being sold thanks to changes to the Articles of Association lodged by the club at Companies House ( and spotted by a keen eyed fan who happened to be an accountant ). This led to protests, pitch invasions ( such as at the televised match at Bournemouth where the commentator showed perfectly the authorities lack of understating of what was going on ) and of course the infamous abandonment of the York game which was meant to be the last game at the Goldstone. The protests forced the board to agree another year at the Goldstone.

Let's also remember that the sale of the ground was organised by the then Chairman, owner and criminal - Bill Archer. Someone the whole fan base and the local press and local council had tried to get out of the club. Along with his disgusting sidekick and Lib Dem party member David Bellotti ( now thankfully dead ).

So the ground wasn't sold under our noses - it was sold against our wishes. The FA did eff all, most football league chairmen did eff all ( Crewe included ! ). Thankfully fans of nearly all clubs did and we kick Archer out of the club after a long and imaginative campaign.

I was going to reply to the rest of your drivel but can't really be bothered. Other than to say, at least I don't support a club that employed a pedophile and attempted to cover it up.

I'm not interested in how you lost your ground, more importantly I'm stating losing your ground was more an example of the fact you were suffering at the bottom once, with us fans being very sympathetic towards your plight and, in return, now you've managed to do something not many of us will ever do and reach the top, you've got a technical director who wants B teams in which may benefit your club, but it'll kill ours off. Hence you can understand why we're not best pleased it's come from a club from your background.

What drivel? The Hereford game happened. Fans United happened. You being homeless happened. Your technical director saying about wanting B Teams in our league happened. The fact you're about to complete only your seventh season in the 130 years the top flight has been going is about to happen. The swell in support that certainly wasn't there when you were at the Goldstone Ground has happened (and good for you it has). But let's be fair, you're a traditional lower league side that have done remarkable things and have made it to the Premier League. So I find it ridiculous and insulting your top brass suggesting the Premier League should pull up the drawbridge and promote B teams into our system which would quell the aspirations of other like-minded clubs is bound to rub off the wrong way on us...

TrinidadsNumberOne · May 11, 2020

I've just found this EFL Regulation that someone has mentioned today

EFL reg 10.1.3. At the end of each Season the Champion club of The National League and The National League Runner Up (be that determined on the basis of League position alone or by way of play off competition) shall be eligible to apply for promotion to The League

I guess that means that Stevenage will definitely be going down then if the EFL decides to go ahead with PPG promotion and relegation and Harrogate will replace them...

Indian Dan · May 11, 2020

wonder why that applies to the National League but not the EFL

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