Corona league one

[Luke Imp]

Ah right, yeah, I'm not sure whether any sub-votes revert to a straight majority or the 75% rule again.

I think straight PPG will be on a knife edge but PPG and retaining PO's would push through fairly easily because the majority of the teams get their way bar Tranmere, who I think are going to be hung out to dry either way unless the season plays on.

Unfortunately for Tranmere, they need the the most unlikely option to come to fruition.

 

[TrinidadsNumberOne]

Ah right, yeah, I'm not sure whether any sub-votes revert to a straight majority or the 75% rule again.

I think straight PPG will be on a knife edge but PPG and retaining PO's would push through fairly easily because the majority of the teams get their way bar Tranmere, who I think are going to be hung out to dry either way unless the season plays on.

Unfortunately for Tranmere, they need the the most unlikely option to come to fruition.

I know I posted my theory as to how I think L1 will be resolved on the L2 forum but I'll briefly put it in here.

- They all know they have no chance of seeing the season continue. But interestingly, Fleetwood have no playable pitch, it's been recently ripped up and it doesn't look like it'll be playable for 6 weeks-2 months. So why would they want to continue the regular season?

- Interestingly, any playoff proposal considered will be strictly at neutral venues for the Semi and the Final. So there may well be no need for clubs involved to have a perfectly playable pitch at their home grounds.

- Straight PPG with no playoffs promotes Wycombe, straight PPG with playoffs would shaft Peterborough and Sunderland. It's worth noting that, barring a miracle where 6 or 8 team playoffs become a thing, Sunderland can't be promoted or end up in the playoffs through any method, not even the ridiculous first half of the season proposal. Motormouth at Posh knows this, so you can begin to see why he's kicking up a fuss.

- Interestingly, Oxford I believe proposed the weighted PPG model, because it would promote them and not Wycombe if playoffs weren't on the table. Obviously the clubs would reject this. So they'd propose a playoff system which would see Oxford play Wycombe and Fleetwood play Peterborough with Portsmouth and Sunderland completely shafted.

- Where do Ipswich come in in all this? Well Marcus Evans is quite pally with Barry Fry whose at Peterborough, as an article in the East Anglian Daily Times suggested last Summer. Could DMAC and Fry be pulling a favour to benefit themselves from an old mate? Assuming that the Bottom 3 are going to reject any proposal that sees them relegated and two clubs who miss out on playoffs will vote against the deal anyway. You're always going to have 5 rebels no matter what. If Ipswich were added to those rebels, straight PPG with playoffs wouldn't even get off the ground if they did need a 75% chance of passing. It'd be at 17-6 at best.

- If you're Fleetwood or Wycombe (two clubs yet to play in the second tier), Oxford (haven't been there since the 90s) and Peterborough (habitual bottlejobs in the last 7 years), you'd surely see Sunderland and Portsmouth, the clubs with arguably the two biggest budgets in the division, as a threat wouldn't you? So what better way to eliminate them from the proceedings and make the playoffs easier (on paper) for each of you!

- Ipswich will then flip their vote when the weighted PPG motion is raised and you'd assume unless someone like Doncaster threw a spanner in the works despite having no scenario that would realistically benefit them anyway, it'd pass with an 18-5 majority. Coventry and Rotherham would go up. Oxford, Fleetwood, Peterborough and Wycombe would make the playoffs. Portsmouth and Sunderland are shafted and Tranmere, Southend and Bolton would be relegated.

This may not happen at all, this is merely a theory as to how they can get the season resolved as quickly as possible. However, I genuinely believe it carries some weight. Logic would apply that they all know the season won't be completed, they know deep down that most of their fans won't want their money back from season ticket rebates and, barring a rumour it'd be cheaper to sack Lambert once it's mathematically certain that Ipswich can't be promoted at all, there's no point whatsoever of Ipswich being on that list of rebels. Unless it was to help one or more of the clubs involved...

If you're a Portsmouth fan (Sunderland are fucked in any way) I wouldn't want to be in your shoes if weighted PPG with playoffs passes...

 

[Indian Dan]

MacAnthony now saying - play games, those clubs who do not want to play forfeit the points.

I can’t be arsed to look at the fixture list to see how many games between those 6 and the don’t want to play clubs there are,but I bet a penny to a pound of dog shit he’s worked out Posh are likely to benefit most

 

[TrinidadsNumberOne]

MacAnthony now saying - play games, those clubs who do not want to play forfeit the points.

I can’t be arsed to look at the fixture list to see how many games between those 6 and the don’t want to play clubs there are,but I bet a penny to a pound of dog shit he’s worked out Posh are likely to benefit most

Himself and Andy Pilley have made a big song and dance about them both playing a lot of teams either at the bottom or with nothing to play for during the run-in...

 

[Indian Dan]

Yep. Posh have 2 difficult looking games. Sunderland and Coventry. The rest would either be a piece of piss with their decimated squads or forfeited.

The bloke needs a kick in the hole.

 

[TrinidadsNumberOne]

Yep. Posh have 2 difficult looking games. Sunderland and Coventry. The rest would either be a piece of piss with their decimated squads or forfeited.

The bloke needs a kick in the hole.

You know what I despise the most about him? The fact he absolutely gets a kick from Twitter and the brown nosers constantly in the replies. "Oh I wish we had an owner as good as you.", "Good to see you standing for what you believe in mate!".

Aye, wait till he wants to play on and leave your clubs out of pocket. He can afford to piss away thousands, not sure half of League One could write off furlough money and pay for Corona tests. Incidentally, the Championship's testing will cost £5 million to complete the season, how are we going to do that in Leagues 1 and 2? People like MacAnthony need to get real and look at the bigger picture.

If they were 15th now, he wouldn't give a shit and he'd be telling them all to end the season. Man is as two-faced as they come.

 

[Luke Imp]

He has raised some valid points down the years but he certainly likes to think of himself as some sort of L1 spokesperson.

 

[Indian Dan]

See, I don’t really mind. It’s the fucking hypocrisy I hate. Pretending it’s about integrity and fairness. Like fans of those affected just come out and say ‘It’s every man for himself and fuck the rest of you’

We all know what people really mean, just have the cojones to come out and admit it.

I’m looking at you Devon Lad et al!

 

[TrinidadsNumberOne]

Wycombe manager Gareth Ainsworth says they'll be ready for whatever happens but also has said that the financial cost of completing the season could be devastating for a club like Wycombe too and that certain people need to stop being selfish given the wider scale of the crisis going on in the country at the moment.

MacAnthony and Pilley are two owners with cash to burn. Not all clubs have owners with cash to burn. The quicker they realise this, the better.

 

[Indian Dan]

Hope he can afford a haircut

 

[TrinidadsNumberOne]

Nixon said it'll cost the Championship £5 million to complete the season given the support staff that need to be paid and players need to be tested frequently too. Says the authorities will pay for it now and it will come out of the TV and Solidarity funding pot next season. Says government will only sanction the continuation of games if they adopt the Premier League's strict methods at that level too.

It'll cost the lower divisions £5 million each. Around £210,000 per club in each of the two divisions and that excludes the fact they'll have to relinquish furlough support as well. It will absolutely kill clubs and that's why it's a non starter at our level. Not everyone can afford such ridiculous outgoings without any incomings.

 

[Indian Dan]

Which, of course, he knows full well. What better way to get clubs to forfeit 3 points than pricing them out of it.

 

[Camborne Gills]

You know what I despise the most about him? The fact he absolutely gets a kick from Twitter and the brown nosers constantly in the replies. "Oh I wish we had an owner as good as you.", "Good to see you standing for what you believe in mate!".

Aye, wait till he wants to play on and leave your clubs out of pocket. He can afford to piss away thousands, not sure half of League One could write off furlough money and pay for Corona tests. Incidentally, the Championship's testing will cost £5 million to complete the season, how are we going to do that in Leagues 1 and 2? People like MacAnthony need to get real and look at the bigger picture.

If they were 15th now, he wouldn't give a shit and he'd be telling them all to end the season. Man is as two-faced as they come.

I don't know about DMAC, but if our chairman proposed that, this forum would be crashing every 5 minutes!! He gets enough grief from Gills fans as it is!

 

[TrinidadsNumberOne]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1261258507220852736

No resolution. League One goes again next week where I'm sure the same issues will arise.

 

[AdamStag]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1261258507220852736

No resolution. League One goes again next week where I'm sure the same issues will arise.

The probable good thing for the league to do is suspend and do on PPG.

Maybe if that dick at Peterborough is so desperate to get them up - which they more than likely won’t do - he’ll be willing to pay for all the testing for all the games in league 1 out of his/Peterborough’s pocket

 

[Luke Imp]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1261274978906968066

 

[TrinidadsNumberOne]

The probable good thing for the league to do is suspend and do on PPG.

Maybe if that dick at Peterborough is so desperate to get them up - which they more than likely won’t do - he’ll be willing to pay for all the testing for all the games in league 1 out of his/Peterborough’s pocket

Got a nasty feeling if we come up with a resolution this afternoon to end the season, it'll set off Tranmere, Bolton and Southend and just make things worse.

Feel for the mid-table sides in League One who just want to scratch the season so they can prepare for their own challenging futures.

 

[AdamStag]

Got a nasty feeling if we come up with a resolution this afternoon to end the season, it'll set off Tranmere, Bolton and Southend and just make things worse.

Feel for the mid-table sides in League One who just want to scratch the season so they can prepare for their own challenging futures.

exactly, a few individuals thinking about themselves rather than the greater good.

Doesn’t hold those people in a good light

 

[TrinidadsNumberOne]

The worst two are a pair of egomaniacs that promise their fans promotion on Twitter every season and make a glut of marquee signings only to constantly underachieve, fuck all their expensive signings off and start again each year.

I want clubs like Rochdale, Shrewsbury, Accrington etc to come out of this as strong as they possibly can. The callous proposals of Pilley and MacAnthony could badly hurt these clubs even more whilst they stand to gain out of it. Not every clubs a rich man's plaything after all.

I can only see this debacle continuing on Monday for the rest of the week and possibly beyond as well.

 

[T.A]

Shrewsbury will be fine.

 

[Luke Imp]

Interesting to note that BBC (I think) were suggesting that all other clubs had been approached to join the group but declined.

Not saying that's an accurate representation and as simple as 6 vs the other 17 but I suspect there are others who have similar views but don't wan to get embroiled in and us vs them scenario.

 

[TrinidadsNumberOne]

Interesting to note that BBC (I think) were suggesting that all other clubs had been approached to join the group but declined.

Not saying that's an accurate representation and as simple as 6 vs the other 17 but I suspect there are others who have similar views but don't wan to get embroiled in and us vs them scenario.

Yes I saw that. Can only see it appealing to clubs like Wycombe and Doncaster though, maybe Gillingham at a push given fatman was going on about a late (albeit unlikely) charge at promotion. And then obviously Tranmere you'd assume. But there'll be many that can't justify the £350-500K expenses.

 

[Huntsman94]

I wonder whether a mini league between ourselves, Wimbledon, Rochdale and MK Dons could work? We had all of them still to play in our battle for survival. Either that or a two legged game vs AFC Wimbledon. Given we still had them to play, a two legged playoff seems fair. Had we won at their place we would then be level with them on points with a game in hand.

I agree with the above posters that it's not fair on your Britsol Rovers/Lincoln etc for whom the season is done and want it resolved asap because of finances. But equally, there would be clubs such as the 3 directly above us that would have got away with it if we go down on a PPG basis.

 

[TrinidadsNumberOne]

I don't know the full details of what every club voted in the League Two meeting, but our Vale poster said they were in favour of continuing the season, as they would given how close they were to the top 7.

The difference being that their owners are actually pretty decent people and fans of the club, so know that the bigger picture was worth considering overall rather than an ego-trip on Twitter and shouting over everyone else.

Re: Bottom 3 in League One. I can't see any playoffs or anything happening. I think we've relegated Stevenage today so that'd set a precedent. Feel for Tranmere given they've picked up form, but I'd have been pissed if Southend and Bolton stayed up at our expense.

 

[Huntsman94]

I don't know the full details of what every club voted in the League Two meeting, but our Vale poster said they were in favour of continuing the season, as they would given how close they were to the top 7.

The difference being that their owners are actually pretty decent people and fans of the club, so know that the bigger picture was worth considering overall rather than an ego-trip on Twitter and shouting over everyone else.

Re: Bottom 3 in League One. I can't see any playoffs or anything happening. I think we've relegated Stevenage today so that'd set a precedent. Feel for Tranmere given they've picked up form, but I'd have been pissed if Southend and Bolton stayed up at our expense.

Not even the form that would be the most annoying thing but the fact that it was in our hands to stay up and I think that's what I would have most trouble accepting. Going up two leagues in two years to then stay up was always going to be tough but we saw where we needed to invest in January, did so, and we were finally starting to gel.

But hey if it happens it happens. We just dust ourselves down and fight for promotion next season.

 

[Indian Dan]

Macclesfield in for a further points deduction apparently

 

[Luke Imp]

Macclesfield in for a further points deduction apparently

They've only just had one last week!

 

[Super_horns]

They've only just had one last week!

They will get relegated at this rate !

And Stevenage stay up .

 

[Muzzle]

We have said we will abide by whatever ruling is decided by the EFL, we also have kept our opinion to ourselves. We were already relegated before the season started, so we always knew we'd be in league. My opinion was based on the fact, i personally don't like the idea that a promotion or relegation is decided by a false method. They should just end the season now, and clubs positions are as they are

 

[WhiteRussian]

I wonder whether a mini league between ourselves, Wimbledon, Rochdale and MK Dons could work? We had all of them still to play in our battle for survival. Either that or a two legged game vs AFC Wimbledon. Given we still had them to play, a two legged playoff seems fair. Had we won at their place we would then be level with them on points with a game in hand.

I agree with the above posters that it's not fair on your Britsol Rovers/Lincoln etc for whom the season is done and want it resolved asap because of finances. But equally, there would be clubs such as the 3 directly above us that would have got away with it if we go down on a PPG basis.

You can't do that in my view. It's possible, albeit extremely unlikely, that you could get another 24 points. That could take you up above Rovers or Blackpool if they have a collapse so why stop with you, us and Wimbledon in a play off. It's just a random cut off point.

However it's all a moot point. There are going to be no more games this season in leagues 1 & 2. Most of us can't afford it. Most of us probably won't have a full team and what we do have won't be a patch on the teams we had earlier in the season.

And to be utterly honest I couldn't really give a rats arse what league we end up playing in as long as we are still playing.