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Of course it’s a success.Don’t really see what attendance has to do with it. Many hundreds of lower level clubs don’t even cover match official fees with their gate money, but they play their sport just the same, raising funds with community and social activity.Boreham Wood are just particularly good at it.
It's a success as a facility - as a football club it's a massive failure, hence the chairman having his meltdown about nobody attending.
 

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It's a success as a facility - as a football club it's a massive failure, hence the chairman having his meltdown about nobody attending.
I take your point to a certain extent. As a national football team, they are only viable because of their facilities. But hundreds of players use their pitches weekly, so they are a community club in the true sense of the word.It’s a pity that they are geographically where they are; most of the locals are too busy polishing their rollers,manicuring their lawns,or, walking down the road to watch Arsenal or Tottenham . Difficult to predict, but it’s entirely possible Boreham will get into the EFL. Been my prediction since the season start.
I’m not a fan, but I am really envious of the set-up, and philosophy.
 

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I take your point to a certain extent. As a national football team, they are only viable because of their facilities. But hundreds of players use their pitches weekly, so they are a community club in the true sense of the word.It’s a pity that they are geographically where they are; most of the locals are too busy polishing their rollers,manicuring their lawns,or, walking down the road to watch Arsenal or Tottenham . Difficult to predict, but it’s entirely possible Boreham will get into the EFL. Been my prediction since the season start.
I’m not a fan, but I am really envious of the set-up, and philosophy.
Regardless of division, you'd rather watch a match at Aldershot than Boreham Wood.

There situation reminds me a little bit of Hyde, who were propped up by Man City for a while (even changed their kit and badge to blue) - not sure what happened though, I think Man City just dropped them and let them flounder.
 

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I take your point to a certain extent. As a national football team, they are only viable because of their facilities. But hundreds of players use their pitches weekly, so they are a community club in the true sense of the word.It’s a pity that they are geographically where they are; most of the locals are too busy polishing their rollers,manicuring their lawns,or, walking down the road to watch Arsenal or Tottenham . Difficult to predict, but it’s entirely possible Boreham will get into the EFL. Been my prediction since the season start.
I’m not a fan, but I am really envious of the set-up, and philosophy.
Rollers in Borehamwood? It's a hellhole for working class London overspill. Last time I was there the high street pubs had doormen on duty at 5pm.
 
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Despite being in the 7th tier, I believe that Worthing could sustain itself in the national league considering the crowds we can pull. Especially as we're not far off a few teams in the 5th attendance-wise playing teams with smaller away followings.
 

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Apart from the main high street which had a couple of decent pubs,Borehamwood has nothing going for it.
The locals were a decent bunch though.
Oh, I thought it quite posh on the one occasion I have been...but then I do live in Aldershot.
But funded by plastic

Its a no from me
Boreham’s income is from plastic, and social activities, but their stadium pitch is prem- quality turf. Great set-up.
I sound like an apologist for Boreham.
 

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Despite being in the 7th tier, I believe that Worthing could sustain itself in the national league considering the crowds we can pull. Especially as we're not far off a few teams in the 5th attendance-wise playing teams with smaller away followings.
Just for the record, the median annual spend on players is £250k in National South. (So around £6k a week over a 40-42 week season for part-time clubs.) In the National Division it's closer to £750k.
 

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Despite being in the 7th tier, I believe that Worthing could sustain itself in the national league considering the crowds we can pull. Especially as we're not far off a few teams in the 5th attendance-wise playing teams with smaller away followings.
We at Maidstone thought that but sadly its not that simple.

So much money is being spunked at National level, that unless you got a sugar daddy who is prepared to keep pumping in loads of money it will always be a real struggle. Just to put things into perspective we finished bottom last season with a player budget of 700k!!
 

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Just for the record, the median annual spend on players is £250k in National South. (So around £6k a week over a 40-42 week season for part-time clubs.) In the National Division it's closer to £750k.
Laughable that Dowson said we had a mid table budget last season in the South.

Any idea what Dulwich’s budget is?
 

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Any idea what Dulwich’s budget is?
I've heard no sort of figure whatsoever for this season. Last season it was the median £6k p/w or £250k p/a (for a part-time regime), a figure that was given directly to supporters by the club's managing director at a fans forum shortly after we secured the return to our own ground. It's presumably a lot more than last season, but whether by 50% or 100% or anything else up to the figure quoted for Maidstone I've no idea.

All I know is that we've switched to a "full-time" regime with daytime training sessions on Tuesdays, Thursdays and Fridays, and we budgeted for an average league attendance of 2,100 and to have no home games or prize money from FA competitions. So far the average attendance is about 10% down on what's budgeted for (our attendances are always lowest during the first two months of the season) but we've won three rounds of the FA Cup (two at home) with associated matchday revenue and prize money to offset that. (And of course we're live on the BBC in the next round at home to Carlisle with £75k appearance money.)

There's obviously going to be some overlap between the smallest full-time budgets and the most extravagant spending at part-time clubs (e.g. Billericay), and we're clearly not spending anywhere near the level that they did in signing Rhead, Gunning, Robson etc.

A lot of our players have other employment of some sort that can be fitted in around football, mostly coaching or personal trainer type stuff. For example star summer signing Danny Mills works for the Hamlet academy as assistant manager of our youth team, which has just reached the 2nd Round Proper of the FA Youth Cup. There was a lengthy podcast interview with him recently in which he stated that he hadn't really intended to seek another contract with a full-time club, but that the coaching role offered to him swung it. By contrast another player works as a cabbie etc. Nathan Green (scaffolder) and Anthony Cook (office job in the City) both left for Welling in the summer as they couldn't commit to the new regime, but I'm sure it suits some other players even if they could earn as much from some other part-time clubs.

I personally have a job that could easily be fitted in around this sort of schedule, as my employer offers the option to work reduced hours on a pro-rata basis, with working from home also an option. Most of my work is dome online, team meetings are often held by Skype with colleagues working from home; my office is at Vauxhall but my line manager is based in Sheffield and generally works in London a couple of days a week. There's can be a lot of flexibility in juggling employment schedules these days if you pick the right job.
 

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Time to resurrect this discussion?

Ebbsfleet couldn't play a new signing, as under a transfer embargo due to an unpaid bill.
 
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The Ebbsfleet article says he's been making waves in European football and talks of his win against Hansa Rostock's B team as some kind of tactical masterclass. He's been managing at a standard comparable to the Northern Premier League.
 

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I was hoping lockdown would continue for a while yet, but now it's out there, I'm looking forward to witnessing a Danny Cowley-esque tactical masterclass from the new manager away at Dover, live on BT Sport.
 

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Did they get relegated again?

This is the problem with these yo-yo clubs like Ebbsfleet, Woking, Halifax etc, you can never remember what division they are actually in until you look at the fixtures on the first day of the season.
 

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