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We're even fighting about Brexit in Saudi Arabia now.

The works Christmas dinner was rudely interrupted after one lad was doused in bread sauce for allegedly wanting a hung parliament.
 

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His party have had 9 years to sort it out, nobody should have any confidence that the next 5 years will be any different if he gets a majority.

I phoned for a doctors appointment and was given a date 3 weeks further on, what good is that?

My 4 year old grandson was taken to his doctor last Friday because he took ill and his temperature was very high.
The receptionist said all appointments for the day were booked, with no emergency appointments available.
She told them to go to A & E instead, so after a 5 hour wait he was diagnosed as having a hearing infection.
The doctor gave them a prescription for antibiotics eventually and thankfully he is feeling better now.

Obviously this is not on the same scale as the poor lad in Leeds but it does show how short of resources the NHS is under this government.
I’m about to take my lad to A and E as he got booted in the head at Rugby at school and we think he might have concussion, and if I get home before midnight then I think we’ll have done well.
 

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The works Christmas dinner was rudely interrupted after one lad was doused in bread sauce for allegedly wanting a hung parliament.
The very least he deserved, IMO.
Is this one of those election pledges MPs make to sound popular and woo voters but never actually happens or are the BBC in danger of losing their fee?
I think the compulsory licence fee system is guaranteed until 2027. After that, the Beeb has to negotiate a new funding arrangement.

I would like a voluntary subscription model, but nothing that radical going to happen during the next parliament, and I'm not sure if it would be a popular policy anyway.

A possible reform, assuming the Tories win a majority on Thursday, is decriminalising non-payment.
 
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Is this one of those election pledges MPs make to sound popular and woo voters but never actually happens or are the BBC in danger of losing their fee?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50718366
Absolute bullshit, one minute they’re taking pensioners free licenses off them then the next minute they ‘could look at’ abolishing all licenses altogether, what a crock of absolute shit.
 

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His party have had 9 years to sort it out, nobody should have any confidence that the next 5 years will be any different if he gets a majority.

I phoned for a doctors appointment and was given a date 3 weeks further on, what good is that?

My 4 year old grandson was taken to his doctor last Friday because he took ill and his temperature was very high.
The receptionist said all appointments for the day were booked, with no emergency appointments available.
She told them to go to A & E instead, so after a 5 hour wait he was diagnosed as having a hearing infection.
The doctor gave them a prescription for antibiotics eventually and thankfully he is feeling better now.

Obviously this is not on the same scale as the poor lad in Leeds but it does show how short of resources the NHS is under this government.
I had a different experience today. I received a call from my two year old daughter’s nursery this afternoon to say she had a rash on her stomach and back which they were concerned about. I called the doctors on the way to picking her up from nursery and, though they had no appointments left, they sent me to her surgery’s sister surgery where the emergency duty doctor was able to fit her in for a check up. Thankfully nothing to worry about. I got the call from nursery at 3, she was seen by the doctor at 4.30 - pretty good service to be honest.

In another story, my grandad has been seriously unwell recently (to the point I thought we’d lose him two weeks ago. Twisted colon, nasty stuff). The care he received from the hospital from the point he went in to the point he left was incredible. I’m so thankful for how they treated him.

On the other hand, I found myself on a bed in a hospital corridor for a couple of hours earlier this year before I was seen to which was annoying but also was apparently a peak period as opposed to understaffing.

So my experience of the NHS this year has been very good.
 

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That video of Boris putting the phone in his pocket is disgraceful and show s his arrogance. I despise him and I would love it if he loses his seat next week.
 

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I had a different experience today. I received a call from my two year old daughter’s nursery this afternoon to say she had a rash on her stomach and back which they were concerned about. I called the doctors on the way to picking her up from nursery and, though they had no appointments left, they sent me to her surgery’s sister surgery where the emergency duty doctor was able to fit her in for a check up. Thankfully nothing to worry about. I got the call from nursery at 3, she was seen by the doctor at 4.30 - pretty good service to be honest.

In another story, my grandad has been seriously unwell recently (to the point I thought we’d lose him two weeks ago. Twisted colon, nasty stuff). The care he received from the hospital from the point he went in to the point he left was incredible. I’m so thankful for how they treated him.

On the other hand, I found myself on a bed in a hospital corridor for a couple of hours earlier this year before I was seen to which was annoying but also was apparently a peak period as opposed to understaffing.

So my experience of the NHS this year has been very good.
So glad it all had a happy ending for you and your family.

The staff are basically brilliant in all our hospitals and deserve far more resources from the state.

My friend is currently in hospital in Doncaster, and there again it's clear that the staff are caring and dedicated.

He was also in there 2 years ago and it is noticeable that there seems to be far fewer staff on the wards compared to then.
 

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So glad it all had a happy ending for you and your family.

The staff are basically brilliant in all our hospitals and deserve far more resources from the state.

My friend is currently in hospital in Doncaster, and there again it's clear that the staff are caring and dedicated.

He was also in there 2 years ago and it is noticeable that there seems to be far fewer staff on the wards compared to then.
Yep and there’s no doubt it’s stretched in many areas, particularly in non-emergency cases. The NHS needs a bit of TLC frankly. But it’s not all bad, it’s still excellent.
 

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So no one wants to do it, yet we have papers proving that Teresa May was in talks to sell the NHS off - you even said it yourself! Could you be in anymore denial?
The papers prove nothing of the sort. There is no mention in them of selling off the NHS to anyone, and I certainly never claimed otherwise.

The reason I use google as a poor fact checker is because for me, I won't talk about something that I don't know. Unfortunately that cannot be said about many Tory voters, I'm not necessarily saying thats you, however most people say he's an IRA & terrorist sympathiser, simply because other people say it, or the Sun tell's them to say it. For me, anyone who uses the Sun as a source to further their argument just ultimately puts their argument in the bin before it's even been made. Get some reputable news sources and then come back to me, you just keep using Sun articles & headlines and use them as fact - again, you somehow tell me to diversify past BBC & Sky News (which report facts) rather than your fake news rightwing newspaper. That's pretty embarrassing for you tbh. The Sun creates so much fake news, it's embarrassing, but for some reason you want me to read more of it?
I've never used a Sun headline to substantiate any claim that I've made, and I don't believe I've ever told anyone that they should read it. I certainly don't.

So the 3 videos (or which 2 are from the Sun - which immediately show's they're shit).

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Seriously?

You need to make stronger arguments, with better evidence and from better news sources. There's a reason the Sun & Mail aren't considered excellent sources of journalism - yet you keep posting them as fact.
A video of an ex-IRA leader testifying to Corbyn's support is a video of an ex-IRA leader testifying to Corbyn's support. It doesn't matter who slapped their logo on the corner. You can look at his unwillingness to condemn the IRA vocally or even vote a single time to condemn an IRA bombing and dismiss it if you'd like, but surely you can understand why other members of the public would not. A few weeks after the IRA’s bombing of Manchester in 1996, for example, he invited Gerry Adams to promote his new book in the Commons which included an account of killing a British soldier. His sympathy toward the IRA is not something that tabloid papers just pulled out of thin air.

If you wanted to make a proper point of Corbyn wanting to unify Ireland - I'd tend to agree more with you. But that doesn't mean he's an IRA sympathiser. If that's the case then anyone who supported Ireland being separate also shares the same political goal as the loyalist paramilitaries who were responsible for hundreds of deaths. What is your stance on Iraq? Should we have invaded? If you think yes then you clearly support the death of thousands of innocent people caught in the middle ground. Thats going by your logic, of course - which is flawed to say the very least.
By my logic? I don't think so. You appear to have constructed a straw man argument. I never said anything about Corbyn supporting the deaths of anyone, in Ireland or elsewhere. If I did though I would probably have gone the route of his "friend from Hamas" and his "friends from Hezbollah" remarks, or maybe that time he laid a wreath for one of the terrorists that planned the 1972 Munich attack that killed 11 Israeli athletes (then lied about it).

But what does he represent? To you it's something different than it is to me - so don't come on here telling me what he represents because frankly, its disrespectful. His manifesto is surely his word - but you'd rather pick up something from 40 years ago and claim that as what he represents. Yet, you continue to ignore Boris' blatant racism. In fact, you haven't denounced it - I said Corbyn hasn't done enough for antisemitism in his party, yet you haven't once said how Boris hasn't done enough against islamaphobia, nor have you denounced his racist comments. So I can therefore only assume that you support it. You've had a couple of chances to do it, why don't you? Do you support his words and actions on the case?

Boris himself says we can't use his words from his time in media 10 years ago, but for some reason you can use what you believe Corbyn thought 40 years ago. You really couldn't make this shit up, it's ridiculous!
We were talking about Corbyn, why would I randomly condemn some of the stupid and insensitive things that have come out of Boris' mouth in the past? I'm not a Tory. I don't especially like Boris. All he has to do to have my support is be a better option that Corbyn, which for me and many others is an exceptionally low bar. If the Tories have an 'Islamophobia' problem then I'm sure the EHRC will investigate it.
 

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I honestly don't blame the Tory party, lying is the only way they can win.
By rights there are enough working class voters that should make sure they should never get elected.

It's just Tories doing what Tories always do backed by 90% of the written media and TV.
I blame the gullible working classes for repetitively falling for their lies and voting for them.
I'd have thought that their Brexit defeat would have been enough to shock the left out of it's smug sense of superiority, but it seems like the "opposition voters are just ignorant" security blanket is just too darned comfy to let go of. I'm not sure what it's going to take to make you all re-evaluate the British electorate, but have you considered the possibility that actually, the reason working class people often don't vote Labour is because they have their own thoughts and their own ideologies and they don't align with a party lurching violently to the left?

What if people voted Brexit not because they were unaware of the economic risks but because they were aware, and deemed them worth it for the reward of regaining national sovereignty and control? What if people vote Tory not because they believe they never tell lies about what they'll do, but because they're scared Labour are telling the truth about what they'll do?

And I'm sorry mate but you're living in a fantasy world if you believe that 90% of the written and broadcast media backs the Tories, especially the latter. The widespread distaste for a man like Corbyn may have moved the needle a little toward parity this time round, but only a little.
 
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First few weeks were boring, but just the last couple of days have been absolutely wild. Peston and Kuenssberg soiling themselves, "will you nationalise sausages" and white power signs on Question Time, the Sun publishing a fever-dream chart from a website called Aryan Nation, and I've not even MENTIONED phone-in-pocket-gate.

Life is going to seem so empty in two days when there's no more democracy.
 

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It was better than the ITV one as they weren’t interrupted as often and were given more time to develop their answers, but the content was predictable and didn’t deviate too far from what you imagined.

I do wonder whether these debates – a very American thing which, if memory serves, we imported as few as 10 years ago – have added anything valuable to our electoral process. I prefer interviews.

On which note, it’s sad to see that Team Boris still seems intent on ducking the Andrew Neil interview. I get the cynical calculation they’re making – being thought cowardly is less damaging that being torn to shreds on live TV a few days before an election – but it’s so dispiriting. Like her or loathe her, can you imagine Thatcher flaking out like that?

Really is a 'pick your least worst option' election. Will be glad when it’s over.
One thing I did find striking in the debate was that there was a question like "what's better, socialism or capitalism?" and both leaders had to make the case for their ideology.

That would have been absolutely unimaginable just a few short years ago. Things have changed incredibly quickly.
 

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The papers prove nothing of the sort. There is no mention in them of selling off the NHS to anyone, and I certainly never claimed otherwise.



I've never used a Sun headline to substantiate any claim that I've made, and I don't believe I've ever told anyone that they should read it. I certainly don't.



A video of an ex-IRA leader testifying to Corbyn's support is a video of an ex-IRA leader testifying to Corbyn's support. It doesn't matter who slapped their logo on the corner. You can look at his unwillingness to condemn the IRA vocally or even vote a single time to condemn an IRA bombing and dismiss it if you'd like, but surely you can understand why other members of the public would not. A few weeks after the IRA’s bombing of Manchester in 1996, for example, he invited Gerry Adams to promote his new book in the Commons which included an account of killing a British soldier. His sympathy toward the IRA is not something that tabloid papers just pulled out of thin air.



By my logic? I don't think so. You appear to have constructed a straw man argument. I never said anything about Corbyn supporting the deaths of anyone, in Ireland or elsewhere. If I did though I would probably have gone the route of his "friend from Hamas" and his "friends from Hezbollah" remarks, or maybe that time he laid a wreath for one of the terrorists that planned the 1972 Munich attack that killed 11 Israeli athletes (then lied about it).



We were talking about Corbyn, why would I randomly condemn some of the stupid and insensitive things that have come out of Boris' mouth in the past? I'm not a Tory. I don't especially like Boris. All he has to do to have my support is be a better option that Corbyn, which for me and many others is an exceptionally low bar. If the Tories have an 'Islamophobia' problem then I'm sure the EHRC will investigate it.
Hang on a second, he literally says "JC & McDonald were seen as" "they were seen as supporters" - not I have proof that they were, it's just his belief. He says JC never wanted peace, yet JC always said himself he wanted peace. JC also won a peace prize recently - which wasn't covered by your favourite right wing news papers - strange considering you believe he never wanted peace. Care to comment on that?

So hang on a second, what you're saying is that JC is a sympathiser or the IRA, he refuses to condemn attacks from the IRA, but you then say "I never said anything about Corbyn supporting the deaths of anyone, in Ireland or elsewhere" - Can you make up your mind? These things go hand in hand. Therefore, by the logic you have presented - you are a sympathiser of killing innocent Iraqi citizens.

Regarding Hamas, you mean the ones where JC said he regretted making that statement? Or do you just ignore that? Do you mean the time when he met representatives in 2009, whilst it has since been admitted as a mistake to boycott Hamas after the winning election in 2006? Funny, you don't seem to worry about the 'friends allies and partners from Saudi' comments by the Tories after they killed the journalist and also supplied weapons to them in the Yemen was that killed thousands of innocent civilians. Or, it that something all Tories like to ignore? Or pretend it didn't happen and just blame JC for something 40 years ago as a cover up?

It's pretty astonishing how you're desperate to say you're not a Tory, yet you defend them with your lives like any Tory would - be blaming and attacking Corbyn, it's actually pretty funny. The proof in the pudding is that I put to you the racism by Boris and you have ignored it every single time.

But let's say you're right about JC and his actions 40 years ago, clearly the bloke has changed - considering it was a long time ago. Boris however, I want your comments - no dodging, on blaming JC, no blaming anyone else - just straight out, why you think that despite the following facts below Boris is better "a better option that Corbyn".

  • Taking a reporters phone & refusing to look at the boy, Jack in hospital
  • When dealing with women in work "just pat her on the bottom and send her on her way."
  • Talking about Labour's manifesto "Labour's appalling agenda, encouraging the teaching of homosexuality in schools, and all the rest of it."
  • In a Telegraph column Johnson bewailed attempts to increase equality at the BBC for gay people.

    "It must be a spoof," he wrote.

    "In my hand was a magazine from something called the BBC Resources Equal Opportunities Unit. There were letters from gays asking about their "partner's" right to a BBC pension."
  • In 2002 - "What a relief it must be for Blair to get out of England. It is said that the Queen has come to love the Commonwealth, partly because it supplies her with regular cheering crowds of flag-waving piccaninnies," he wrote, referring to African people as having "watermelon smiles."
  • Boris Johnson was last year reported to the Equalities Commission after comparing Muslim women who wear burqas to "letter boxes" and bank robbers.
  • He wrote: "To any non-Muslim reader of the Koran, Islamophobia — fear of Islam — seems a natural reaction, and, indeed, exactly what that text is intended to provoke," he wrote.
  • In the wake of the London bombings, he also questioned the loyalty of British Muslims and insisted that the country must accept that "Islam is the problem."
  • A senior Rabbi was attacked the other day. Corbyn was the only person who called to check in on him - Rabbi Gluck said "we deep;y appreciate his concern. He sounded extremely genuine. He was the only party leader who called" Where was the media for that btw?
  • The lies he made in his career, getting fired as a journalist (made up quote, fake news from brussels, lying to his boss about a relationship)
  • Unlawfully proroguing parliament
  • Lying to the DUP about the border between N. Ireland & GB. In fact, betraying them in the brexit deal
  • His misleading figures on the side of a bus
The list can go on tbh. Don't forget all the list of things Millerbri posted on the previous page about the Tory government in the last 9 years. But please tell me more about how Boris is better than Corbyn
 

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I'd have thought that their Brexit defeat would have been enough to shock the left out of it's smug sense of superiority, but it seems like the "opposition voters are just ignorant" security blanket is just too darned comfy to let go of. I'm not sure what it's going to take to make you all re-evaluate the British electorate, but have you considered the possibility that actually, the reason working class people often don't vote Labour is because they have their own thoughts and their own ideologies and they don't align with a party lurching violently to the left?

What if people voted Brexit not because they were unaware of the economic risks but because they were aware, and deemed them worth it for the reward of regaining national sovereignty and control? What if people vote Tory not because they believe they never tell lies about what they'll do, but because they're scared Labour are telling the truth about what they'll do?

And I'm sorry mate but you're living in a fantasy world if you believe that 90% of the written and broadcast media backs the Tories, especially the latter. The widespread distaste for a man like Corbyn may have moved the needle a little toward parity this time round, but only a little.
Sorry mi old pal but it's not me living in a fantasy world, I live in the real world up in the frozen out North.
Nine years they've had to inflict their Tory policies on the countries poorest sectors, whilst selling off anything possible to their multi-millionaire supporters to make obscene profits.
That was without Boris being leader, God help us if he gets a majority on Thursday.
 

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Latest YouGov MPR result:

CON: 339 LAB: 231 SNP: 41 LDM: 15

Headline stat is a 20-seat swing from Tory to Labour since their last MPR poll on 27 November, with the predicted Tory majority now down to 28.
 

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Hang on a second, he literally says "JC & McDonald were seen as" "they were seen as supporters" - not I have proof that they were, it's just his belief. He says JC never wanted peace, yet JC always said himself he wanted peace. JC also won a peace prize recently - which wasn't covered by your favourite right wing news papers - strange considering you believe he never wanted peace. Care to comment on that?
Obama also won a peace prize for nothing at all, a Nobel Peace Prize in fact, and then he went on to bomb seven countries in six years. I don't put much stock in "peace prizes".

So hang on a second, what you're saying is that JC is a sympathiser or the IRA, he refuses to condemn attacks from the IRA, but you then say "I never said anything about Corbyn supporting the deaths of anyone, in Ireland or elsewhere" - Can you make up your mind? These things go hand in hand. Therefore, by the logic you have presented - you are a sympathiser of killing innocent Iraqi citizens.
I don't think those two things go hand in hand. I'm not sure I've ever expressed support for the Iraq war either.

Regarding Hamas, you mean the ones where JC said he regretted making that statement? Or do you just ignore that? Do you mean the time when he met representatives in 2009, whilst it has since been admitted as a mistake to boycott Hamas after the winning election in 2006? Funny, you don't seem to worry about the 'friends allies and partners from Saudi' comments by the Tories after they killed the journalist and also supplied weapons to them in the Yemen was that killed thousands of innocent civilians. Or, it that something all Tories like to ignore? Or pretend it didn't happen and just blame JC for something 40 years ago as a cover up?

It's pretty astonishing how you're desperate to say you're not a Tory, yet you defend them with your lives like any Tory would - be blaming and attacking Corbyn, it's actually pretty funny. The proof in the pudding is that I put to you the racism by Boris and you have ignored it every single time.
You've literally just quoted me calling his comments stupid and insensitive. I never ignored anything. Besides, if expressing regret over comments absolves someone of them, as you have just suggested with regard to Corbyn and the various terrorist groups he's been friendly with, surely the same rationale applies to Boris and the comments he's apologised for, no? That's further than Jeremy's choice of Shadow Home Secretary has gone. She was caught making racist comments online, was confronted about it, lied about the context to cover herself, and still maintains that lie to this day.

But let's say you're right about JC and his actions 40 years ago, clearly the bloke has changed - considering it was a long time ago. Boris however, I want your comments - no dodging, on blaming JC, no blaming anyone else - just straight out, why you think that despite the following facts below Boris is better "a better option that Corbyn".

  • Taking a reporters phone & refusing to look at the boy, Jack in hospital
  • When dealing with women in work "just pat her on the bottom and send her on her way."
  • Talking about Labour's manifesto "Labour's appalling agenda, encouraging the teaching of homosexuality in schools, and all the rest of it."
  • In a Telegraph column Johnson bewailed attempts to increase equality at the BBC for gay people.

    "It must be a spoof," he wrote.

    "In my hand was a magazine from something called the BBC Resources Equal Opportunities Unit. There were letters from gays asking about their "partner's" right to a BBC pension."
  • In 2002 - "What a relief it must be for Blair to get out of England. It is said that the Queen has come to love the Commonwealth, partly because it supplies her with regular cheering crowds of flag-waving piccaninnies," he wrote, referring to African people as having "watermelon smiles."
  • Boris Johnson was last year reported to the Equalities Commission after comparing Muslim women who wear burqas to "letter boxes" and bank robbers.
  • He wrote: "To any non-Muslim reader of the Koran, Islamophobia — fear of Islam — seems a natural reaction, and, indeed, exactly what that text is intended to provoke," he wrote.
  • In the wake of the London bombings, he also questioned the loyalty of British Muslims and insisted that the country must accept that "Islam is the problem."
  • A senior Rabbi was attacked the other day. Corbyn was the only person who called to check in on him - Rabbi Gluck said "we deep;y appreciate his concern. He sounded extremely genuine. He was the only party leader who called" Where was the media for that btw?
  • The lies he made in his career, getting fired as a journalist (made up quote, fake news from brussels, lying to his boss about a relationship)
  • Unlawfully proroguing parliament
  • Lying to the DUP about the border between N. Ireland & GB. In fact, betraying them in the brexit deal
  • His misleading figures on the side of a bus
The list can go on tbh. Don't forget all the list of things Millerbri posted on the previous page about the Tory government in the last 9 years. But please tell me more about how Boris is better than Corbyn
For me none of those come remotely close to Corbyn's pursuit of a Brexit betrayal, widespread nationalisation (rail/mail/water/energy/broadband), abolishing private schools, votes for 16-year-olds, votes for all migrants, weaker immigration controls, leftist identitarianism and a self-avowed Marxist Chancellor of the Exchequer. And that's before his dubious sympathies and aversions are added to the pile. You might like many of those things, but I don't, so you can understand why the list you've produced does little to move me. There's nothing in there in part or in totality that's going to make me want to avoid Boris' policies more than Corbyn's.
 

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Hahahahhaa your head is so far up Boris’ arse!

And you say you’re not a Tory? :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

“Ask someone why they’re voting Tory and they’ll tell you something about Corbyn” - I didn’t believe it was that true, but thank you for confirming that :lol:

You know if you’d have actually been able to condemn any of Boris’ racist and sexist remarks and said why you like his policies and his other strengths, I might have said fair enough. But you literally cannot do it. You’ve been so convinced by the sun newspaper that all you know is anti Corbyn! I even asked you not to bash Corbyn or not dodge it, but you couldn’t do it. How very very sad that you’re an example of the Tory voters today.

Oh and Boris didn’t apologize for his comments. He apologized if it offended anyone, huge difference. He doesn’t regret his words or actions, just didn’t want to cause offense. Like good old TractorBoy - the mod who attacked me on here with something offensive, but after said ‘no offense’ - that doesn’t make it ok to say. Funnily enough, he didn’t apologize either! What a dangerous precedent you’ve set.

I’ve also stayed deliberately away from other members the parties making comments, because frankly - there is so much content from Tories, I’d simply wipe the floor with you. Besides, this was also about Corbyn Vs Boris - would you like to bring their party members into it? I would love to, just say the word!
 
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Latest YouGov MPR result:

CON: 339 LAB: 231 SNP: 41 LDM: 15

Headline stat is a 20-seat swing from Tory to Labour since their last MPR poll on 27 November, with the predicted Tory majority now down to 28.
Not to get my hopes up too much but the turnout assumptions are very strange. They're expecting older turnout to be up by 10% and younger turnout to drop by about the same. That is 100% not going to happen. 700 people were canvassing in Putney the other night, most of them young - yes, alright, it's London, but it represents an absurd level of interest for a general election. Youth turnout will be up, not down, and that is overwhelmingly likely be to Labour's benefit.

Fingers crossed some of it happens in the marginals.

Shit forecast for tomorrow though.
 

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Not to get my hopes up too much but the turnout assumptions are very strange. They're expecting older turnout to be up by 10% and younger turnout to drop by about the same. That is 100% not going to happen. 700 people were canvassing in Putney the other night, most of them young - yes, alright, it's London, but it represents an absurd level of interest for a general election. Youth turnout will be up, not down, and that is overwhelmingly likely be to Labour's benefit.

Fingers crossed some of it happens in the marginals.

Shit forecast for tomorrow though.
I agree, I don't believe for a second that young voters will be less. Especially those who didn't get the chance to vote in the referendum.

Weather might also play into Labour's hands as well, if its bad?
 

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Vocal youth voters have historically not followed through by actual voting on polling day; will dig out a source if necessary. This factor, coupled with the possible "shy tory" effect makes for an interesting night.

I still think a +30 majority; but that 10pm exit poll will be waited with baited breath!

Weather might also play into Labour's hands as well, if its bad?
I would personally suggest shit weather would blight the Labour vote; as opposed to widespread conservatives who have been voting for 40/50 years. All interesting stuff, though.
 

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Vocal youth voters have historically not followed through by actual voting on polling day; will dig out a source if necessary.
Thanks, it won't be necessary because it is indeed true.

A 10% drop from just two years ago would be completely absurd, however. Not going to happen.
 

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Hahahahhaa your head is so far up Boris’ arse!

And you say you’re not a Tory? :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

“Ask someone why they’re voting Tory and they’ll tell you something about Corbyn” - I didn’t believe it was that true, but thank you for confirming that :lol:

You know if you’d have actually been able to condemn any of Boris’ racist and sexist remarks and said why you like his policies and his other strengths, I might have said fair enough. But you literally cannot do it. You’ve been so convinced by the sun newspaper that all you know is anti Corbyn! I even asked you not to bash Corbyn or not dodge it, but you couldn’t do it. How very very sad that you’re an example of the Tory voters today.

Oh and Boris didn’t apologize for his comments. He apologized if it offended anyone, huge difference. He doesn’t regret his words or actions, just didn’t want to cause offense. Like good old TractorBoy - the mod who attacked me on here with something offensive, but after said ‘no offense’ - that doesn’t make it ok to say. Funnily enough, he didn’t apologize either! What a dangerous precedent you’ve set.

I’ve also stayed deliberately away from other members the parties making comments, because frankly - there is so much content from Tories, I’d simply wipe the floor with you. Besides, this was also about Corbyn Vs Boris - would you like to bring their party members into it? I would love to, just say the word!
So now you're pretending that people voting for Boris in order to avoid a disastrous (as they see it) Corbyn government is some sort of revelation to you? I've been telling you that that's a large part of the reason I and others might vote Tory since this thread began. You can fill your boots going after Boris if you like, it doesn't matter to me, if and when Brexit is out of the way I'll be joining in, albeit from a different point of attack.

As for his comments, what is calling them stupid and insensitive if not a condemnation? I fear sometimes you read what you want to read and not what is on the screen. It's a bit like you claiming that I read The Sun after having just told you I don't. Or claiming I'm a Tory even after I've told you I'm not. Or claiming that I said May's papers detailed the selling off of the NHS despite having said the opposite. Is this an accident? Do you delude yourself into believing a lie because it's more convenient? Or are you just trolling? This particular affliction seems rampant among the modern left. Perhaps you start to believe your own propaganda about your opponents to the point that when faced with one of them telling you something different, you simply cannot bring yourself to believe that they're being genuine.

Vocal youth voters have historically not followed through by actual voting on polling day; will dig out a source if necessary. This factor, coupled with the possible "shy tory" effect makes for an interesting night.

I still think a +30 majority; but that 10pm exit poll will be waited with baited breath!

I would personally suggest shit weather would blight the Labour vote; as opposed to widespread conservatives who have been voting for 40/50 years. All interesting stuff, though.
But surely the shy voter phenomenon would apply more to Corbyn this time around. For the first time in a long time people are maybe more hesitant to admit to a pollster that they're backing the Labour Party leader than the Conservative one. I'm worried that this will be an issue along with Corbyn benefiting from the Trump effect. As damaging as a Corbyn government would be in my view, a vote against something tends to motivate people less to get out there, whereas he is promising everything under the Sun. Boris only really has Brexit. Hopefully it will be enough.
 

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I’m not sure a ‘shy tory’ factor will happen this year, I’d more expect a ‘shy labour’ portion of votes.

Interesting also that the polls were about the same this time last election too. Not that I’m expecting anything other than a Tory majority.
 
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