Andre Gray..

[Super_horns]

Typical life of a footballer.

Scores a goal to help beat Liverpool so should be one of his best days...then this crops up albeit from 4 years ago!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37145017

 

[Jockney]

stigmatic homophobia is a relatively new thing though isn't it. casual homophobia was very commonplace on the old board and still exists in some form on this one from time to time.

 

[JimJams]

They want him to make an apology and then 'we can move on'. What if he doesnt want to?

 

[GodsGift]

He just has.

 

[RavenBish]

He's nailed the textbook generic footballer apology. He's working hard to be a better person guys, come on, cut him some slack. I'm with you Andre, keep up the good work in trying to shake off being a massive homophobe, you'll get there in the end.

 

[Bentos]

There's no ambiguity, or possibility of anyone being able to brush these comments off as merely poorly judged. His tweets are absolutely disgusting and of a level that should necessitate police involvement. Unfortunately, the fact they are four years old will see them being brushed off, a fine given and an insincere apology hastily written by a club official.

 

[Baz]

It's 4 years ago, so who has trawled through years worth of tweet to pull this one out? Yes homophobia is utterly wrong, however we've all said things in the past that have offended somebody, granted not on this scale but it's human nature.

 

[Jockney]

He's nailed the textbook generic footballer apology. He's working hard to be a better person guys, come on, cut him some slack. I'm with you Andre, keep up the good work in trying to shake off being a massive homophobe, you'll get there in the end.

I wonder if, after you've outgrown the tired undergrad cynicism, you might put the rejoinders to one side and apologise for your frequent casual sexism?

 

[Bentos]

It's 4 years ago, so who has trawled through years worth of tweet to pull this one out? Yes homophobia is utterly wrong, however we've all said things in the past that have offended somebody, granted not on this scale but it's human nature.

I have to say, I've never stated that I was sickened by a certain section of society to the point where I've suggested they 'burn' and 'die'. Irrational hatred of a group of people is not human nature.

 

[Aber gas]

So are we to all to be condemned for views we used to have? Is there no room for growth and change. I'm not sure what he's to do. Apologise and he's ripped for not being sincere, not apologise and be condemned as a massive bigot c*** with no redeeming features. Bigotry and prejudice should be challenged whenever it's found but this is fucking ridiculous.

 

[Renegade]

There's no ambiguity, or possibility of anyone being able to brush these comments off as merely poorly judged. His tweets are absolutely disgusting and of a level that should necessitate police involvement. Unfortunately, the fact they are four years old will see them being brushed off, a fine given and an insincere apology hastily written by a club official.

A tweet that he sent four years ago and that he has just apologised for warrants police involvement? What? He could very well still be a reprehensible homophobe, but you can't prove if he's a changed man or not. If he genuinely is sorry, then what can he do other than apologise in this fashion? Also, genuine question - there are a lot of homophobic people in our society, can they be arrested if they do not act upon their homophobia (commit a "hate" crime)?

 

[Jockney]

I have to say, I've never stated that I was sickened by a certain section of society to the point where I've suggested they 'burn' and 'die'. Irrational hatred of a group of people is not human nature.

This is very commendable on your part, but normalised behaviour is not always equivalent to our nature. Greed and selfishness are other good antitheses to that notion: learned not innate. Until very recently (and still, in fact) socio-political and cultural conditions that engendered homophobia very much existed. The root causes of much homophobia are still to be addressed substantively.

 

[RavenBish]

So are we to all to be condemned for views we used to have? Is there no room for growth and change. I'm not sure what he's to do. Apologise and he's ripped for not being sincere, not apologise and be condemned as a massive bigot c*** with no redeeming features. Bigotry and prejudice should be challenged whenever it's found but this is fucking ridiculous.

one alternative would be to never say something like you want all gay people to burn in the first place.

There's not much more he can do and if he genuinely is disgusted by his old views/ways then fair enough but excuse people for not giving him the benefit of the doubt on that.

 

[Aber gas]

one alternative would be to never say something like you want all gay people to burn in the first place.

Ideally, but people sometimes have shitty opinions and then they are educated and change said views.

 

[Bentos]

A tweet that he sent four years ago and that he has just apologised for warrants police involvement? What? He could very well still be a reprehensible homophobe, but you can't prove if he's a changed man or not. If he genuinely is sorry, then what can he do other than apologise in this fashion? Also, genuine question - there are a lot of homophobic people in our society, can they be arrested if they do not act upon their homophobia (commit a "hate" crime)?

Perhaps you misunderstood, but my point is that the extent of the comments he made would necessitate police involvement. To suggest that gay people should 'burn' and 'die' is a hate crime.

 

[Bentos]

This is very commendable on your part, but normalised behaviour is not always equivalent to our nature. Greed and selfishness are other good antitheses to that notion: learned not innate. Until very recently (and still, in fact) socio-political and cultural conditions that engendered homophobia very much existed. The root causes of much homophobia are still to be addressed substantively.

If a certain behaviour or viewpoint is learned and not innate, surely it is not human nature?

 

[Renegade]

Perhaps you misunderstood, but my point is that the extent of the comments he made would necessitate police involvement. To suggest that gay people should 'burn' and 'die' is a hate crime.

No, I understood, you followed up with a statement that heavily implies that you believe the police should be able to get involved despite his tweet being four years old and his apology.

Unfortunately, the fact they are four years old will see them being brushed off, a fine given and an insincere apology hastily written by a club official.

 

[Bentos]

No, I understood, you followed up with a statement that heavily implies that you believe the police should be able to get involved despite his tweet being four years old and his apology.

They should be involved in comments of that nature. And they would, if the tweets weren't 4 years old. Where's the issue? If I implied anything, it's that it is unfortunate that he'd get off lightly given how old the tweets are.

 

[Renegade]

They should be involved in comments of that nature. And they would, if the tweets weren't 4 years old. Where's the issue? If I implied anything, it's that it is unfortunate that he'd get off lightly given how old the tweets are.

No real issue, I just don't think there's anything Gray can do at this point. What would the police do to him now? Reprimand him for his actions, try to teach him that this behaviour is unacceptable? It appears that he has learned his lesson already.

Looks likes he's getting a nice punishment now anyway - he may not hold these beliefs anymore but a huge chunk of the population probably believes he's a homophobe. The story just got read on MOTD.

 

[Bentos]

No real issue, I just don't think there's anything Gray can do at this point. What would the police do to him now? Reprimand him for his actions, try to teach him that this behaviour is unacceptable? It appears that he has learned his lesson already.

Looks likes he's getting a nice punishment now anyway - he may not hold these beliefs anymore but a huge chunk of the population probably believes he's a homophobe. The story just got read on MOTD.

I have great difficulty believing he's not homophobic. I think there's a big difference between using 'gay' as a derogatory term and suggesting that gay people should 'burn' and 'die'. I get that he's apologised and claimed he's a changed man, but I'm not having that as an excuse. He claims he was involved with gangs at the time, yet claimed in an earlier interview that he left that life behind a year prior after being stabbed in the face. They also say he made the comments while he was at Hinckley, but the dates appear to be mostly from while he was on loan at Luton in the Conference Prem.

 

[Christian Slater]

Has some Liverpool fan dug up a 4 year old tweet because a player scored against them?

 

[Renegade]

I have great difficulty believing he's not homophobic. I think there's a big difference between using 'gay' as a derogatory term and suggesting that gay people should 'burn' and 'die'. I get that he's apologised and claimed he's a changed man, but I'm not having that as an excuse. He claims he was involved with gangs at the time, yet claimed in an earlier interview that he left that life behind a year prior after being stabbed in the face. They also say he made the comments while he was at Hinckley, but the dates appear to be mostly from while he was on loan at Luton in the Conference Prem.

Fair enough, sounds like you know Andre Gray a lot better than me. I couldn't possibly comment on or defend any of that. On another note, this is yet another example of why nobody who aspires to be in the public eye should ever open a Twitter account. The Internet never forgets.

 

[Jockney]

If a certain behaviour or viewpoint is learned and not innate, surely it is not human nature?

my point is that norms are not dictated to by human nature alone, so this is obvs not human nature but that is missing the point anyway.

 

[Relentless]

Maybe he'd like sucking a dick. He should give it a go . Aren't most homophobes up for getting ass blasted?

 

[Judge Dredd]

They also say he made the comments while he was at Hinckley, but the dates appear to be mostly from while he was on loan at Luton in the Conference Prem.

The tweet in question was posted several months before he joined Luton on loan. He'd have been sacked by the club without a doubt if he had posted that while under contract here.

 

[PDS]

As Jamie Vardy has shown, everyone forgets what a horrendous person you are if you bang in a few goals

 

[Super_horns]

As Jamie Vardy has shown, everyone forgets what a horrendous person you are if you bang in a few goals

Troy Deeney too - jailed for kicking somebody in the head but a Watford legend now.

 

[Max]

Maybe he'd like sucking a dick. He should give it a go . Aren't most homophobes up for getting ass blasted?

If he's really sorry, he can show this by engaging in intimate, forceful acts of physical love with the club mascot - that bee thing they have - in the centre circle before the next home fixture. This will then put the matter to rest.

 

[Bentos]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37169558

Charged by the FA.

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

As Jamie Vardy has shown, everyone forgets what a horrendous person you are if you bang in a few goals

I'm pretty sure the opposite thing just happened.