Is your club equipped for being promoted? And at what price

[Heavensentcitygent]

First thread just thought I'd ask the question

To be competitive the wage bill is 11 million plus yes thee the oddities but being in the championship is an expensive past time

The bantams sit in third how I don't know after the run earlier in the season but we are where we are

I've supported City for 25 years we have gone for bust previously and it ended in dropping like a stone through each league until somehow the ship was steadied , currently being financially stable is a miracle and at the same time as offering the cheapest STs in the leagues but what price would you pay? Are you equipped in regards to infrastructure and lastly will it be worth it?

 

[Bottega Don]

Not really.

Seeing as we've already spent two years in the Championship before, it means we'd have to change our terracing into seats if we went up. This would lower the capacity of the ground and just make it even shitter. We are attempting to build a new ground but that never seems to properly take off and it'll take a couple of years anyway.

 

[Shrew_fan]

We have proven twice now that we are not equipped to be promoted to this division. We are becoming the definition of a yo-yo club


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[Millwall_Matt]

Ish. We've shown that when run at our best and most efficient we are able to compete in the division above, but it only takes a bad managerial appointment or a lost dressing room and we can come tumbling down very quickly. For teams like ourselves who are able to be competitive financially on overall budget, but can't afford the transfer fees we need to be very canny in picking up youngsters and freebies and ensure we have the right management team.

 

[SMH]

Yes, thanks to our much loved parachute payments. The real test will be in 2017/18 when those payments run out. Our most expensive season ticket will cost £199 next season and I don't think Uncle Dave has or is willing to risk investing the financial power needed to compete with the higher level Championship teams.

So with the lack of matchday revenue, the money will be primarily made from our main sponsors, the big new TV deal and our transfer business that will probably see us buying young players to sell on which we've already started to do with the likes of Power and Colclough. If we're successful I can see us being like Huddersfield and finishing lower midtable in the Championship every season. But if we got relegated again, I fear it'd take a lot longer to come back. Next season is a huge one both on and off the pitch.

Also I reckon the big reason we've put season ticket prices so cheap is because we plan to charge high match day prices due to the large amount of 5k away followings expected next season. So this way the majority of our home fans will avoid the big price increase. Very shady towards away fans but very smart from our point of view.

If Bradford do get promoted this season, I think they'll be best equipped to stay in the Championship next season along with us. As Preston and Grayson have proved, build a solid defence with one half decent striker and you'll get enough 1-0 wins to stay away from danger regardless of your budget. All Parkinson needs to do is find that striker and they'd be fine.

 

[dedwardp]

Not really.

Seeing as we've already spent two years in the Championship before, it means we'd have to change our terracing into seats if we went up. This would lower the capacity of the ground and just make it even shitter. We are attempting to build a new ground but that never seems to properly take off and it'll take a couple of years anyway.

I thought your new ground was all approved and set to be ready for 2017/18?

 

[TimeyWimey]

Shit no. This club is desperate to be bottom half of L2, out of sight so it can continue plodding on with its amazing academy and Super Ollie Turton at full back.

 

[Bottega Don]

I thought your new ground was all approved and set to be ready for 2017/18?

Nobody knows, every month there seems to be some kind of setback. We haven't started any building on it yet.

 

[F!RTHY]

If Bradford do get promoted this season, I think they'll be best equipped to stay in the Championship next season along with us. As Preston and Grayson have proved, build a solid defence with one half decent striker and you'll get enough 1-0 wins to stay away from danger regardless of your budget. All Parkinson needs to do is find that striker and they'd be fine.

I'd like to believe that this is the case.

Our back 5 have been magnificent, no question about that. Loan signings such as the two lads from West Ham (Burke and Cullen) have been the catalyst for our recent form - they're class above. It is highly probable that should we find ourselves in the league above next season, we'd have first refusal on these two players - as they are already at tracking a lot of interest from a number of clubs.

I can see us signing Wolves midfielder Lee Evans permanently too.

Our season ticket prices would need to increase, but given how fan-friendly the club is, they would only probably increase to £200. That would see us replicate this season's sales, and with the away end practically full for virtually every home game (2,700), we'd averaged nearly 21,000.

Depending on who you believe, we have a German duo either investing in the club or taking over - this is by all accounts a done deal, given the club have confirmed that talks have been put on hold until the end of the season to ensure no off-field dramas jeopardise promotion challenge. If this is the case, a lot remains to be seen - but there's certainly a very, very positive vibe around the club at the moment; and long may that continue.

 

[Fedora Dale]

We'd be OK. Calvin Andrew is good for 25 goals a season up there

 

[Chris]

We've been promoted 6 times in the last 10 years and have always invested in the club to equip us at the new level with better team, better ground, etc. We've also recently invested 8 million pounds on a new training ground. However I don't think we could survive in the championship but it would still be a great experience.

 

[joethegill]

Probably not this time around. We're in good financial health for this division but we aren't anywhere near rich enough to compete a level up. If we did manage to get up and stave off relegation once it would still never last.

 

[JJH]

I'd like to believe that this is the case.

Our back 5 have been magnificent, no question about that. Loan signings such as the two lads from West Ham (Burke and Cullen) have been the catalyst for our recent form - they're class above. It is highly probable that should we find ourselves in the league above next season, we'd have first refusal on these two players - as they are already at tracking a lot of interest from a number of clubs.

I can see us signing Wolves midfielder Lee Evans permanently too.

Our season ticket prices would need to increase, but given how fan-friendly the club is, they would only probably increase to £200. That would see us replicate this season's sales, and with the away end practically full for virtually every home game (2,700), we'd averaged nearly 21,000.

Depending on who you believe, we have a German duo either investing in the club or taking over - this is by all accounts a done deal, given the club have confirmed that talks have been put on hold until the end of the season to ensure no off-field dramas jeopardise promotion challenge. If this is the case, a lot remains to be seen - but there's certainly a very, very positive vibe around the club at the moment; and long may that continue.

Are you playing 3-5-2? You'd get torn to shreds at this level, much like we did.

 

[F!RTHY]

Are you playing 3-5-2? You'd get torn to shreds at this level, much like we did.

No, we have a GK - he plays in net y'see.

 

[valefan16]

We enjoyed 8 good seasons in the Championship in the 90s under the clever leadership of John Rudge but now it's much harder for smaller clubs to do that without serious finance. If we went up now we'd benefit from having a large away end which would do us well on match day revenue but would struggle to compete with most at that level without a huge investor.

 

[F!RTHY]

We enjoyed 8 good seasons in the Championship in the 90s under the clever leadership of John Rudge but now it's much harder for smaller clubs to do that without serious finance. If we went up now we'd benefit from having a large away end which would do us well on match day revenue but would struggle to compete with most at that level without a huge investor.

Even then, you only averaged 9,000.

If Vale reached the Champ again, do you think you would surpass that figure?

 

[DippyDon]

It's a lot tougher than we thought it would be, you need to have the finances behind you or a proven manager in that division, otherwise signing players becomes a nightmare. The only teams in the top 6 I could see surviving up there if they get promoted this year are Wigan and Bradford, maybe Millwall if they do well in the summer transfer window

 

[SF_]

Are you playing 3-5-2? You'd get torn to shreds at this level, much like we did.

We play it quite regularly and do ok with it. Cotterill was just a wank manager.

 

[JJH]

We play it quite regularly and do ok with it. Cotterill was just a wank manager.

Wash your mouth out, mate.

 

[Walkley_Owl]

We play it quite regularly and do ok with it. Cotterill is just a wanker.

Corrected

 

[Dayman]

Our record signing was about £35k, we struggle to get more than 3000 home supporters through the turnstiles even though we're the cheapest to watch in L1, you could probably fit all our season ticket holders on a couple of coaches and our previous manager's annual salary at QPR is probably higher than the entire Burton Albion wage bill from top to bottom.

We'll piss the Championship.

 

[Indian Dan]

Look at the likely make up of the Champ next season and the obvious clubs will be those who will forever flirt with relegation.

The 3 promoted clubs, Rotherham, Brentford, Huddersfield and there's usually a head case 'big' club - could be Villa.

There are very few, if any, traditional L1 and L2 clubs that could establish themselves in the Championship over a period of time.

 

[GFCSludge]

We had five seasons there in the early 00's, three great (for us) and two less so which culminated in relegation. The difference 10 years on is massive, so much money washing around the Championship. Our ground is too small, our attendances too small, our facilities are lacking, so unless some of those factors change a la Reading or Brighton, the best we could hope for would be a season or two there.

 

[valefan16]

Even then, you only averaged 9,000.

If Vale reached the Champ again, do you think you would surpass that figure?

On current scale we'd probably get more based on larger away followings

 

[blademan89]

We would be if we ever were good enough to go up of that I have no doubt

 

[THE TERRACEMAN]

No, but we will find a way if we get there !

 

[dedwardp]

We will be next season.

 

[King Kev]

Had Stan the Man not left Bury then I am confident that we would have enjoyed a similar spell in the championship as what Gillingham or Walsall had. The pathetic Bury public and their love of Slave Owners and Manure and their complete apathy towards the club would always make it difficult for our club to progress beyond where we are at now. Even our part timers are pathetic, they will turn up to celebrate a promotion but fuck off again when we are actually playing teams at a higher level, it is mind boggling to say the least.

In the late 90s and early noughties there was a good spell of smaller and arguably unfashionable clubs holding their own in the championship. Perhaps this was pre parachute payments and back when the championship was called Division one (did it get less sponsorship and income back then?).

In 1996/97 Bury, Stockport and Crewe were all promoted and stayed up the following season, us on the last day the other two stayed up comfortably. Considering the crowds, facilities and budgets this was a huge achievement and something you would probably not see now.
Later there was Gillingham, Grimsby, Walsall, Scunny, Southend, Rotherham (pre New York Stadium) and Colchester all of whom were able to survive for a season and in some cases establish themselves at championship level. Would this happen now without serious investment? It is doubtful and just another case to prove that money has ruined football.
If Bury did get promoted to the championship we would struggle and whilst the crowds would improve they would still be poor and unsustainable for the level (a Bury team performing poorly regardless of division makes the part timers disinterested). Also as we have the pricks at GMP shitting themselves everytime there is a bigger than normal crowd at gigg lane they no doubt would ruin every big occasion we had up there by dictating the seating plan and eating up any profits from the crowd with their police bill. A new ground would potentially change that of course and that is an apparent aim of the board.

Ideally we need a new gound and to establish ourselves at this level whilst improving our average attendence, (a very very tall order, but something that the board have managed to achieve in their aims) and continue to develop our youth. Perhaps then in five years maybe we could be just about equipped to be in the championship (that is assuming we are still not getting taken to court with CCJs and winding up orders). Even if that happened I would be more than happy if we competed and gave a decent account of ourselves before coming back down like Burnley did in the Prem.
As it stands I do not think that we should be in any rush to get promoted, and even if a club like us does manage it we would need to be careful with our spending as we would only end up in the shite again. One thing most of those clubs listed have in common is struggles and financial problems after relegation from the championship. We have already had three brushes with extinction in my lifetime, frankly I am bored of it.

Sorry for the rant.

 

[Etienne Vermeer]

Why do you need a new ground? Not much wrong with your place.

 

[King Kev]

Why do you need a new ground? Not much wrong with your place.

Main reasons being for revenue purposes as our facilities are dated and we make little money off the ground out of season. Plenty of clubs like Chesterfield, Shrewsbury and Morecambe have made money from their new grounds. Also the incompetent and laughable GMP are constantly having hissy fits everytime we play a big club or have a big crowd. One of the main problem is the ground is sort of in a corner and everyone exits in the same direction which causes huge problems for the police apparently and causes them to interfere with decisions with unquestionable stupidity.