Refereeing Crackdowns

[Kenneth E End]

Noted in the build up to yesterday an increasing focus on the crackdowns involving diving.

Danny Hylton won Luton a number of dubious penalties (and then cheekily chipped them over the keeper) last season. He has got probably a justified reputation.

But how is this going to work? Are they going to target certain players like Hylton? Some grounds obviously won't have the infrastructure and the camera angle to provide a definitive replay. Are referees going to review their own decisions, on incidents they've already made a decision on? Isn't that just admitting that they made a potential error. Are they going to allow managers such as Steve Evans to vent spleens in the media citing certain players, trying to get every little tiny advantage.

Supposedly a panel is going to sit down on Monday mornings and decide on a case by case basis? How many games are they going to review? Are they going to watch every single match in full?

If you look at the Yeovil penalty from yesterday, it looks theatrical on video, but I know having been closer to the incident that it was a penalty.

 

[Super_horns]

I suspect there will be certain players watched more carefully than others due to their reputation as you say.

Also agree will there be pressure form certain managers...in the Premier league you can just see Mourinho or Wenger taking these panellists to task if one of their players get done for diving..

 

[valefan16]

Would be slow motion and have to be clear cut to give a ban I guess. It's about time and saw the statement regarding the panel (4 will be picked from 12 members) including Trevor Sinclair, Lee Dixon and Nigel Adkins plus some ex officials.

Will be interesting to see how it pans out because at this level certainly the camera angles will be limited so could be some controversial decisions.

 

[Son of Cod]

The camera angles thing is a real worry, as there isn't a single ground in this division that has the amount of cameras pointing at the penalty area that the Premier League clubs do. This is an example of potenrially being able to effectively implement something at the top level with relative ease, but at our level it could just cause serious problems.

 

[Kenneth E End]

I suspect there will be certain players watched more carefully than others due to their reputation as you say...

I don't doubt that. But that is completely wrong. Because some players will already be at a disadvantage.

 

[Son of Cod]

I don't doubt that. But that is completely wrong. Because some players will already be at a disadvantage.

That already happens on the pitch though. It's human nature for a ref to keep an eye on the trouble makers and divers. Just like a teacher will keep more of an eye on the naughty children in class. If there were plentiful cameras then those players consistently diving getting retrospectively targeted would be a good thing as it would be almost objective. However, that won't be the case with the iFollow footage they will be reviewing in League 2.

 

[Kenneth E End]

It's human nature for a ref to keep an eye on the trouble makers and divers.

I agree with what you're saying, but surely that's an example of bad refereeing?

An official needs to remain objective rather than allow external influences to reflect your decision making.

 

[Son of Cod]

I agree with what you're saying, but surely that's an example of bad refereeing?

An official needs to remain objective rather than allow external influences to reflect your decision making.

Yeah, also agree with that. However, as you know down here (although not anywhere near as bad as the division below), we aren't exactly blessed with a wealth of great officials.

 

[CCFC_Charlie]

Don't bans only occur for dives which got a player sent off or won a penalty?

 

[Kenneth E End]

Don't bans only occur for dives which got a player sent off or won a penalty?

That's why I was enquiring as to the process.

But like the FA/EFL as normal they'll probably make it up as they go along.

 

[Kenneth E End]

Yeah, also agree with that. However, as you know down here (although not anywhere near as bad as the division below), we aren't exactly blessed with a wealth of great officials.

I actually think the officials we had in the Conference were as good and in some cases better than L2. Down there, they're all striving for promotion, whereas in L1/L2 you have those like Trevor Kettle who have been on the National List too long, winding their careers down and slowing down the development of other officials. The NL seems a job for life for some.

Gavin Ward yesterday in what was a relatively easy game to manage made some very strange decisions.

 

[AdamStag]

I welcome the crackdown, and like the idea of a panel - I was on the understanding this would be after the games happened and bans handed out retrospectively.

Hopefully it'll stop players from cheating moving forward.

 

[Luke Imp]

I was getting all giddy for a minute and thought this thread was about the FA/EFL finally getting rid of wankers like Trevor Kettle and Nigel Miller.

 

[Kenneth E End]

Nigel Miller has retired I believe.

I thought Trevor Kettle had retired too.. before the start of last season.

 

[Gladders]

So what if they target players with a reputation more? Serves them right for diving in the first place, if they didn't have the reputation they would be alright, and if they have changed then this process will eventually prove they have changed from video evidence

 

[Kenneth E End]

So what if they target players with a reputation more? Serves them right for diving in the first place, if they didn't have the reputation they would be alright, and if they have changed then this process will eventually prove they have changed from video evidence

Why should someone's decision making be affected by what has happened in the past? Surely its all on the day?

Does that mean someone who hasn't got a reputation, but might just throw in a dive once every so often would get away with it? A dive is a dive isn't it regardless who does it?

 

[markpvfc]

It was in the Mirror yesterday that everybody's favourite lower league ref Darren Deadman has been removed from the national list. Coote is also in trouble and been demoted down to this level I think.

 

[Davidimp]

Haines is still hanging on, he was bloody hopeless when we in the league before!
Trust me the standard of refereeing in the NL isn't good.

 

[Gladders]

Why should someone's decision making be affected by what has happened in the past? Surely its all on the day?

Does that mean someone who hasn't got a reputation, but might just throw in a dive once every so often would get away with it? A dive is a dive isn't it regardless who does it?

Hence the point that for reviewing the video, if the guy who hasn't got a rep gets away with it, he will get punished after seeing the video.
Past actions should have future consequences, have a rep for being a diver? Tough shit, should have thought about that when you cheated a club in a previous match.

 

[Kenneth E End]

Haines is still hanging on, he was bloody hopeless when we in the league before!
Trust me the standard of refereeing in the NL isn't good.

Well that's reassuring as we've got him on Tuesday night.

 

[Kenneth E End]

Hence the point that for reviewing the video, if the guy who hasn't got a rep gets away with it, he will get punished after seeing the video.
Past actions should have future consequences, have a rep for being a diver? Tough shit, should have thought about that when you cheated a club in a previous match.

But what I want to know is, how at this level of football do this panel become aware of such incidents?
If you're going to review all of Danny Hylton's play versus none of someone elses, where's the fairness of thay?

 

[Gladders]

But what I want to know is, how at this level of football do this panel become aware of such incidents?
If you're going to review all of Danny Hylton's play versus none of someone elses, where's the fairness of thay?

That's not the way it will work though is it? They will probably review notable incidents such as penalty decisions

 

[Captain]

From reading the article that was on the BBC site the other day retrospective action can only be taken on incidents where a penalty was awarded or a red card was issued.

Seems like a 3 person panel will review these incidents from the previous weekend (independently) and all three have to agree that the referee has been deceived.

At this level I can't see this new ruling really effecting us, according to the FA there needs to be clear and overwhelming evidence for them to act. I can't imagine too many clubs, if any, at this level will have multiple camera angles to assist in the decision making.

There was a line towards the end of the article about them looking into incidents of players feigning injury too but it didn't go into anymore detail. Fortunately the Westley drinks breaks are a thing of the past otherwise we'd be in serious trouble!

 

[JJ1532]

Nigel Miller has retired I believe.

I thought Trevor Kettle had retired too.. before the start of last season.

Did a quick scan of the refereeing appointments from this weekend and despite me hoping, Kettle is indeed still refereeing. Was at the Exeter v Cambridge game. Shame.

 

[RavenBish]

Unacceptable that my boy Darren 'The Deadman' Deadman has been suspended - his only crime appears to have been that he was simply too much of a showman for the EFL to handle. A man able to turn any contest into his own personal spotlight and a generational talent that could turn any drab lower league encounter into a dazzling 90 minute controversy filled affair.

The game's gone lads, where will I get my Deadman fix now - the Evo-Stik? The man's skills are wasted on those small crowds, like Denzel Washington only making straight-to-tv films for Movies4Men or Zara Larsson bangers relegated to background music in the Albert Square cafe behind some poorly-acted muttered dialogue from the Branning sisters.

 

[Posh Harry]

Nigel Miller has retired I believe.

I thought Trevor Kettle had retired too.. before the start of last season.

As someone else has said unfortunately Kettle is still around. He did our game at Bolton in the FA cup last year. Bell end of the highest order. I went to school with him (year below) and trust me, he has always liked to be centre of attention and considers himself to be dogs do da's.

 

[mowgli]

I'll be happy with this if it's consistant as Ainsworth will have to change his shit tactics and we might actually play some proper flootball instead of trying to con referees,our own fans hate it but there's nothing we can do about it.

 

[Posh Harry]

As if by magic Trevor 'look at me' Kettle, is ref for our game against derby tomorrow night.

God help us all!