Standard of refereeing

[Pedlar]

There has been seem to be a lot of discussion around the standard of referees on League 1 clubs X pages.

I think we have all witnessed some bizarre decisions for and against this season. The level of refereeing has definitely declined in recent years.

I'm sure they think its about them and not the match.

 

[Conker]

Anthony Backhouse was truly awful today.

Giving the ball to the opposition via a drop ball for no reason, yellow carding the wrong person, unable to deal with handbags, completely inept at his job.

 

[dannylad01]

It's not easy being a referee and not a job that I'd want to do with the amount of gamesmanship going on these days.

We all moan about decisions going against our teams, but there are certain referees who have been on the list of league referees for years and every club seems to moan about them. I can't see how they can stay on the list year after year. I mentioned Seb Stocksbridge in that category in the match thread the other day, and everyone had an experience with Trevor Kettle.

The thing is, I don't tend to remember the names of the good referees as you don't notice them in the game. And in fairness we haven't had too many awful refs this year

 

[Super_horns]

Probably had the same sort of theme going for years maybe with the same refs as suggested above who are too inconsistency and you never know what you are going to get.

 

[AdamStag]

Everyone remembers a Trevor Kettle, or a Darren Drysdale, the names that would make your blood run cold

 

[BRFC_Gas]

Orient should have had a player sent off before half time for a 2nd yellow, and they knew this by subbing him during the break. Also looked like foul before their 1st goal too although we did get a soft pen.
The disallowed goal was a handball but cant see how either official could have seen it from their position so guess they just went by the Orient players reaction.
At one point there were only 8 fouls in the game and yet 4 bookings - when both sides moan about the ref it says it all.

 

[That Fat Centre Half]

Its a ridiculously difficult job to the point that i think its becoming the realm of a certain type of strange, aloof individual that in a weird way is perpetuating this view that the standard is getting worse. So many refs come across as just unbelievably arrogant and dont have any sort of common sense relationship with the players and it just seems to frustrate everyone. But in a way i dont think you can be anything but as any sign of weakness is going to get exploited.

The game is getting faster, and with the greater amount of pressing and intensity in games theres more challenges and therefore more decisions to be made.

Not sure what the answer is but i have a begrudging respect for anyone mad enough to actually do it.

 

[Gassy]

Its a ridiculously difficult job to the point that i think its becoming the realm of a certain type of strange, aloof individual that in a weird way is perpetuating this view that the standard is getting worse. So many refs come across as just unbelievably arrogant and dont have any sort of common sense relationship with the players and it just seems to frustrate everyone. But in a way i dont think you can be anything but as any sign of weakness is going to get exploited.

The game is getting faster, and with the greater amount of pressing and intensity in games theres more challenges and therefore more decisions to be made.

Not sure what the answer is but i have a begrudging respect for anyone mad enough to actually do it.

Understand a decent amount of this, but the reality is that referees need to start applying some discipline. The FA needs to drastically improve the standards by either increasing training or paying them more.

I genuinely reckon 70% of throw ins the linesman doesn’t have the foggiest and waits for the ref to signal the teams throw. I also see 4th officials do absolutely nothing.

It’s a small thing, but today the Orient subs were constantly running/training on the did of the pitch. I don’t think I saw their manager once in his box. The referee needs support from their colleagues, but I feel like they’re more than happy to just let the ref take the blame

 

[Richard Cranium]

Anthony Backhouse was truly awful today.

Giving the ball to the opposition via a drop ball for no reason, yellow carding the wrong person, unable to deal with handbags, completely inept at his job.

Particularly liked the part where a Bolton player was fouled and he allowed the advantage which led to a blocked shot but because they didn’t score then pulled it back.

Let’s be right the standard from top to bottom in this country is probably the lowest it’s ever been.

 

[Super_horns]

Particularly liked the part where a Bolton player was fouled and he allowed the advantage which led to a blocked shot but because they didn’t score then pulled it back.

Let’s be right the standard from top to bottom in this country is probably the lowest it’s ever been.

Tbh think that happens a lot but not sure what the guidelines is on that but maybe another area of inconsistency each week ?

 

[AdamStag]

Tbh think that happens a lot but not sure what the guidelines is on that but maybe another area of inconsistency each week ?

I actually thought it was the correct decision and believe there should be a little more common sense on that, it was like a second later they lost the ball.

Half like the advantage in rugby. Speaking of which i understand that the crowd will hear VAR conversations in the league cup, which has already been used in rugby and cricket for some while.

His standards were poor though.

 

[Super_horns]

I actually thought it was the correct decision and believe there should be a little more common sense on that, it was like a second later they lost the ball.

Half like the advantage in rugby. Speaking of which i understand that the crowd will hear VAR conversations in the league cup, which has already been used in rugby and cricket for some while.

His standards were poor though.

I think it’s only the outcome of any VAR check rather than the real time audio but agree with that idea if it comes into the EFL..

Carabao Cup: Referees to announce VAR decisions to crowd in Arsenal-Newcastle and Spurs-Liverpool semi-finals

Referees will announce any video assistant referee decisions to fans inside stadiums for the first time during the upcoming Carabao Cup semi-finals.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Conker]

Yeah I’m not quite sure what the guidelines in regarding advantage, but it almost felt like the referee was basically thinking either they score a goal here or I give them a free kick.

 

[AdamStag]

I think it’s only the outcome of any VAR check rather than the real time audio but agree with that idea if it comes into the EFL..

Carabao Cup: Referees to announce VAR decisions to crowd in Arsenal-Newcastle and Spurs-Liverpool semi-finals

Referees will announce any video assistant referee decisions to fans inside stadiums for the first time during the upcoming Carabao Cup semi-finals.

www.bbc.co.uk

Yeah that’s what i meant, but i still think it’ll enhance it.

I’m pretty not having it for the time being!

 

[masi51]

For what its worth i thought the referee was average at best yesterday....The free kick a few of you are on about was correct..He was fouled and no advantage was played so he pulled it back. Gregory and Schon may have walked with another referee both complete idiots.
I think you could and maybe should have had a penalty and 7/10 they are given. The drop ball was confusing
Decent enough game between two teams not going anywhere this season

 

[Luke Imp]

Its a ridiculously difficult job to the point that i think its becoming the realm of a certain type of strange, aloof individual that in a weird way is perpetuating this view that the standard is getting worse. So many refs come across as just unbelievably arrogant and dont have any sort of common sense relationship with the players and it just seems to frustrate everyone. But in a way i dont think you can be anything but as any sign of weakness is going to get exploited.

The game is getting faster, and with the greater amount of pressing and intensity in games theres more challenges and therefore more decisions to be made.

Not sure what the answer is but i have a begrudging respect for anyone mad enough to actually do it.

This, basically.

I do think shithousery, gamesmanship or whatever else you want to call it is an an all-time high with so much going on. The extra periods of injury time because of timewasting and slowing the game down didn't last long either did it, we're back to pretty standard stuff now.

In the second half of our game at Shrewsbury on Boxing Day, the ball was in play for 23 minutes, which is normal for an Ainsworth side but I do think as fans we're generally getting short changed a bit and something needs to be done about it all. Not 100% sure timing GK's, throw-ins will necessarily work but making sure a GK takes a kick from the side that the ball goes out of would be a good start because trotting to the other side to waste time is a favoured one!

 

[SF_]

There's still no one worse than Bobby Madley in any league, he literally picks a side before kick off and takes joy in screwing over the other one.

 

[Pilot_Phonic]

Refs are crap. Look at the pen we got against Blackpool (not a pen as its hit his back), yet yesterday we had a clear handball where the lads arm is in the air, slaps the lads hand and goes for a corner. Right in view of the lino as well, no pen given.

The decisions even themselves out over a course of a season, i'd like to think for both sides.

 

[denzel ecfc]

Genuinely thought they'd been OK up until yesterday.

 

[Pedlar]

Understand a decent amount of this, but the reality is that referees need to start applying some discipline. The FA needs to drastically improve the standards by either increasing training or paying them more.

I genuinely reckon 70% of throw ins the linesman doesn’t have the foggiest and waits for the ref to signal the teams throw. I also see 4th officials do absolutely nothing.

It’s a small thing, but today the Orient subs were constantly running/training on the did of the pitch. I don’t think I saw their manager once in his box. The referee needs support from their colleagues, but I feel like they’re more than happy to just let the ref take the blame

The throws ins are a joke. Thrower pick the ball up on the side line goes ten yards down the pitch and then has another 5 yards.

 

[BRFC_Gas]

Surprising how unfit some of them look too, how the hell can you keep up with play carrying that much timber?

 

[Richard Cranium]

For what its worth i thought the referee was average at best yesterday....The free kick a few of you are on about was correct..He was fouled and no advantage was played so he pulled it back. Gregory and Schon may have walked with another referee both complete idiots.
I think you could and maybe should have had a penalty and 7/10 they are given. The drop ball was confusing
Decent enough game between two teams not going anywhere this season

I clearly don’t know the rules/guidelines here but the ball fell straight to your man about 14 yards out and he fired a shot that was blocked. Might’ve been a crap advantage but surely waiting for you to get a shot off is an advantage? I’d of had no complaints if he’d have given the foul straight away as it was stonewall, would’ve been about the only thing the little action man did get right all afternoon

 

[masi51]

I clearly don’t know the rules/guidelines here but the ball fell straight to your man about 14 yards out and he fired a shot that was blocked. Might’ve been a crap advantage but surely waiting for you to get a shot off is an advantage? I’d of had no complaints if he’d have given the foul straight away as it was stonewall, would’ve been about the only thing the little action man did get right all afternoon

If the shot had gone in, the keeper saved it or the shot went wide he would not have pulled the ball back to give a free kick, but because it was blocked it was no advantage to Bolton hence he give us a free kick

 

[Richard Cranium]

How is you getting a shot at goal not an advantage?

 

[EricSabin]

We had Darren Drysdale yesterday and he was utterly utterly pathetic. I wasn’t feeling too fresh or energetic but 15 minutes of him ‘making decisions’ gave me a new lease of life. Him and his assistant on the near side guessed most decisions, something would happen, they’d look at each other for 5 seconds, then the flag would switch hands and they’d signal the opposite way they were originally going to. Every single fucking time. Can feel my blood pressure rising again….

 

[Richard Cranium]

We had Darren Drysdale yesterday and he was utterly utterly pathetic. I wasn’t feeling too fresh or energetic but 15 minutes of him ‘making decisions’ gave me a new lease of life. Him and his assistant on the near side guessed most decisions, something would happen, they’d look at each other for 5 seconds, then the flag would switch hands and they’d signal the opposite way they were originally going to. Every single fucking time. Can feel my blood pressure rising again….

That’s a name known to all Stags fans, first come across him when we were relegated from L2 in 2007/08 and our then chairman? Got a 28 day football ban for waiting for him at the tunnel at the end of the game. Truly horrific and has been the majority of the times we’ve had him since bar 2/3 occasions. How he’s still reffing at this level I don’t know. None of them are ever held accountable

 

[Who Needs Mourinho]

Maybe it’s because we spent a long time in non league where the refs were truly terrible but we’ve only had a few controversial moments/terrible referring performances this season.

We had Lewis Smith against Peterborough who became the youngest ref in PL history last season he stood out for me as by far the worst.

There was a nailed on yellow card foul by there player within the first few minutes. He let him off because it was early but by setting that standard he then had nowhere to go as more and more challenges that also deserved yellows happened in the remainder of the half.

Had both sets of players/coaches/fans on his back and had no control.

 

[masi51]

How is you getting a shot at goal not an advantage?

The shot was blocked because a defender stood in front of him and was able to block it easy
If a foul had not been commited he would have taken a shot which would of gone in, wide or the keeper saves ie a free shot

 

[AdamStag]

We had Darren Drysdale yesterday and he was utterly utterly pathetic. I wasn’t feeling too fresh or energetic but 15 minutes of him ‘making decisions’ gave me a new lease of life. Him and his assistant on the near side guessed most decisions, something would happen, they’d look at each other for 5 seconds, then the flag would switch hands and they’d signal the opposite way they were originally going to. Every single fucking time. Can feel my blood pressure rising again….

Glad it’s not to just me earlier in the thread. the man’s hopeless. But then what’s worse is that he’s a massive ego.

Everyone remembers a Trevor Kettle, or a Darren Drysdale, the names that would make your blood run cold

 

[Master D]

Sam Allison will forever be the worst I have seen. He didn't even know the laws when he was reffing in the Conference yet the other day I saw him on the highlights reffing a Sheffield Wednesday game in the Championship with hilarious consequences.