Dirk
Wir kommen wieder!
- Joined
- Jul 18, 2016
- Messages
- 2,656
- Reaction score
- 1,492
- Points
- 113
- Location
- Deutschland
- Supports
- Hamburger SV
Thanks for that, Dirk. I appreciate the clarification.
I can see "asterisk" wins. it helps to clarify the picture. I don't have a problem with that.
With regard to your comment on professionals, I'm going to do some more digging on that because I read a football history book from my local library not long ago which I am sure said that although club football in England became professional in the late 19th century, the FA would not allow professionals to represent England until much later and even when they relented, they insisted on the England Captain being an amateur right up to (I think) the mid 1930's.
Cornish Piskie : You're right here (and I was wrong concerning the early 4 matches between Germany and England from 1908-1913 (we never played again until 1930 (for obvious reasons) ) . The English team also consists of Amateurs like the German (but because we didn't have Professional football only Amateur football at that time, we count these matches as official DFB matches. Explains why the England FA only has 32 matches between England and Germany with an even balance of 13W-6D-13L and the German FA has a negative Balance for our team with 13W-7D-16L against England). Maybe the English FA should use our statistics too, this would "pimp up" your stats because in those 4 matches (3Wins-1 Draw) between 1908-1913 you scored 19 Goals (!!!) and conced only 3
btw: The 0-9 at Oxford in 1909 still counts as the highest loss Germany ever got (and only 3 years later at the Olympics in 1912 in Stockholm we got the highest win of 16-0 against Russia (The German Gottfried Fuchs scored 10 Goals in this match , weird times for Football)
I don't know if you're interested in it but I found a nice (german) article about the 1909 match on the website of the popular German Football Magazine "11 Freunde (11 Friends)" where they mentioned that the DFB even got the date wrong in his statistics and that there are some myths about this match. The German team came to England by ship and it must've been some hell at the channel between Calais and Dover because most players were "feeding the fish" (aka seasick). Yeah, we Germans are not made for sailing on the water (we were more known for "sailing under the water surface" ) and that many players still feeling very unwell during the match . But the German Keeper (from Holstein Kiel who won its only German Championship in 1912) must have been the hero for the English spectators (6000 at Oxford) although he got 9 Dingers. But after the match he got the Ball as a gift and the english fans applauded him and even carried him off the field
For reference: https://www.11freunde.de/artikel/maerz-1909-england-deutschland-90 (unfortunately the article is only in German)
Last edited: