GodsGift
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One person arrested. Muslim Council say the van ran over worshippers as they left a mosque.
I think given that witnesses have reported the man shouting 'kill all Muslims' and saying that he wanted police to shoot him now he had 'done his job' it's a fair assumption. It's not really possible to police this stuff either, if someone wants to kill others they will find a way there are plenty of things everyone has access to (such as vehicles) which can be used.And round and round we go, the cycle of pointless violence. Do we assume the intention was to kill (perfectly innocent decent good British Muslims) in the same manor that Islamist extremists have used. Some sick bastard.
Yep, same as Salman Abedi and the three c*** in London a couple of weeks ago.Just a crazy man.
Wow, only thirteen responses so far on this forum to a terror attack. I would like to see comparative statistics for how attacks of similar scale - i.e. Westminster were doing after the same amount of time.
It seems very low.
I feel sickened by this, by the way. This doesn't feel like a terrorist attack to me, this feels like a hate crime against a minority group, which can be extremely dangerous if it is interpreted by anyone as a precedent rather than senseless violence committed by an extremist. It's the lack of outrage from the general public that I am finding quite terrifying.
I mean it is a lot smaller in scale tbf, one death of a man who might well have died of a pre-existing condition.
I mean it is a lot smaller in scale tbf, one death of a man who might well have died of a pre-existing condition.
Aye I'm contemplating moving to Harris and becoming a hermit.I've no energy to give a fuck anymore. I'd be quite happy to sod off and go live on a deserted island for the rest of my days and free myself of this shit. This world really is the pits.
"Terrorism" and "hate crime" are questions of framing though? The motive of terrorism is to terrorise the people you hate which is also the motive of hate crime.
That said, I'm pretty ambivalent about labelling far-right racist violence as terrorism because I'm not sure what purpose that achieves. Part of the reason seems to be an attempt to disassociate non-state racist violence from police and state violence.
The attacks at London Bridge, and Manchester and Westminster were interpreted as an attack on "us" by an "other". Whereas the Finsbury Park Mosque attack cannot be reduced to such a binary. It would seem inappropriate to light up the Brandenburg Gate in the Union Jack to commemorate last night's victim when that's likely the standard of their killer. There's no (implied) homogeneous "us" to fearlessly carry on our daily lives when it's clear that "we" are not the people intended to be in fear of our lives.
In the same way that it's not terrorism when the British military action blows up 200 Iraqi civilians, or when the police round up dozens of entirely innocent muslims there's a deeply uncomfortable sense that these actions are carried out in "our" name. Perhaps it seems weird to extend solidarity to a group of people that, in other circumstances, "we" are happy to subject to horrific racist violence at the hands of the state.
I'm kind of shocked that a fascist would feel the need to do something like this, given that attacks of this nature are often an expression of political powerlessness, and mainstream politics at the moment is as racist as it's been for generations.
Is this the same mosque that has been a hotbed for Islamic extremism. Sure I've seen it in the news previously.
Not defending this prick btw
So theSo the Finsbury attack might not be terrorism, but it's a blurry line as only he knows what he wanted to achieve and it was clearly an attempted suicide attack.
So theSo the Finsbury attack might not be terrorism, but it's a blurry line as only he knows what he wanted to achieve and it was clearly an attempted suicide attack.
It may seem semantic, but it is important. Terrorism is an attack on random people going about their daily business and for a specific cause. The Finsbury Park terrorist must be considered as such simply because it shows to a wider community that there can be extremists in our midst.At the end of the day it doesn't really matter so much whether it was terrorism or not as much as it matters that some people among our midst are under the impression they are fighting a war.
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