only a catastrophic event will expose the ineptitude and incompetence of our landlord, the KCTMO, and bring an end to the dangerous living conditions and neglect of health and safety legislation that they inflict upon their tenants and leaseholders. We believe that the KCTMO are an evil, unprincipled, mini-mafia who have no business to be charged with the responsibility of looking after the every day management of large scale social housing estates and that their sordid collusion with the RBKC Council is a recipe for a future major disaster.
Sadly I don't think this is the first time something like this has happened.
Some of those flat towers are very old and run down.
A real tragedy.
Greenfell had been recently refurbished. Residents have suggested that the cladding contributed to the spread of the fire.
The company responsible for the refurb, Rydon, have scrubbed all references to it from their website.
From what they're saying on bbc radio, the only way some residents knew there was a problem was due to other residents banging on their doors. Suggests some issue with the fire alarm, perhaps not being audible in all parts of the building.
I think way more people have died here. Reports of alarms allegedly not sounding, torches being flashed out of top windows, people dropping children out of windows, etc. What the fuck do you do if you're on the 17th floor and the fire has blazed all the way up from the 4th floor? Jump or burn alive? Hellish situation. I find this way more disturbing and unsettling than the recent terror attacks.Lots of these buildings employ "stay put" policies in event of fire. The idea is that unless there's a fire on your floor, you're better off staying put and closing your doors and windows and relying on the fire not spreading, than by trying to evacuate.
Problem is, that relies on the fire not spreading. In Lakanal House in Southwark, six people died in a fire in 2009 due to following this advice.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...fety-failings-tower-block-lakanal-house-blaze
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/mar/28/lakanal-house-fire-deaths-prevented
I think way more people have died here. Reports of alarms allegedly not sounding, torches being flashed out of top windows, people dropping children out of windows, etc. What the fuck do you do if you're on the 17th floor and the fire has blazed all the way up from the 4th floor? Jump or burn alive? Hellish situation. I find this way more disturbing and unsettling than the recent terror attacks.
Lots of these buildings employ "stay put" policies in event of fire. The idea is that unless there's a fire on your floor, you're better off staying put and closing your doors and windows and relying on the fire not spreading, than by trying to evacuate.
Problem is, that relies on the fire not spreading. In Lakanal House in Southwark, six people died in a fire in 2009 due to following this advice.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...fety-failings-tower-block-lakanal-house-blaze
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/mar/28/lakanal-house-fire-deaths-prevented
Don't want to sound naive but do these kind of premises not have sprinkler systems installed. Don't if something like that would have done any good but 'may' have assisted initially?
Yes they are but like most big cities, London is rife with shoddy building owners/developers looking to cut as many corner as possible to maximise profits. The thing that astounds me about this is that this building had an £8m+ refurb last year and it has proven to be so hazardous. Will be interesting to see what happens to Rydon.Are communal fire alarm systems sophisticated enough to differentiate between minor fires and fires that have spread beyond one room or one flat?
Quite astounding imo and a big big safety concern amongst other aspects.It's a requirement for new tower blocks have to have sprinkler systems installed. It's not a requirement for refurbished tower blocks to have sprinkler systems though.
My mate in London says the flat blocks he's lived in have never had communal fire alarms - is this common across the city? Even the five story building he lived in last year did not have a communal fire alarm system. I can see why the massive flat blocks do not have such a system - a false alarm for someone burning some sausages might leads to evacuation of hundreds of residents and this could lead to panic, trampling and injury. That such a system isn't in place for small flat blocks seems insane to me. Communal fire alarms are the norm for such places here.
Are communal fire alarm systems sophisticated enough to differentiate between minor fires and fires that have spread beyond one room or one flat?
London is having a horrible time at the moment, I really don't see how close to 100 people haven't been killed in this fire, sincerely hope I'm wrong. Imagine the person that may have started this fire, they likely will have escaped alive, but may have to live with this for the rest of their life.
EDIT: OK, 100 people may have been a wild miscalculation. Still horrendous.
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