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What's he supposed to do? If the linesman was actually watching them and is convinced he saw a foul, the ref (who was looking elsewhere) is hardly gonna tell him he was wrong.
Given the lino at that point should have been watching the line for offsides, how he supposedly spotted a push by Hunt and then a punch out by Robinson from 40 yards away is next level impressive. Even if the lino is convinced by what he saw, I don't know how a ref in good conscience can give those 2 massive decisions on the linos distant judgement.

Especially when said lino got his flagging wrong in the initial instance, showing even he was confused by what he saw. I mean, him flagging for a free kick suggests he saw Robinson lash out at Hunt. But then somewhere in his mind, he remembered Hunt fouled Robinson, leading to the penalty award. That level of confusion, at 0-0 at that stage of the game? And the ref goes with it? Nah.

I'm not saying the ref should disagree, I'm saying he shouldn't award the 2 major decisions based on a confused obscured view of what his assistant thinks happened.
 

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Given the lino at that point should have been watching the line for offsides, how he supposedly spotted a push by Hunt and then a punch out by Robinson from 40 yards away is next level impressive. Even if the lino is convinced by what he saw, I don't know how a ref in good conscience can give those 2 massive decisions on the linos distant judgement.

Especially when said lino got his flagging wrong in the initial instance, showing even he was confused by what he saw. I mean, him flagging for a free kick suggests he saw Robinson lash out at Hunt. But then somewhere in his mind, he remembered Hunt fouled Robinson, leading to the penalty award. That level of confusion, at 0-0 at that stage of the game? And the ref goes with it? Nah.

I'm not saying the ref should disagree, I'm saying he shouldn't award the 2 major decisions based on a confused obscured view of what his assistant thinks happened.
Based on officiating this season so far are you surprised by this?
 

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Crewe hate Stoke a lot more than Vale do!?!?!? :lol::lol::lol:

Chris Eubank will go to Crewe on the 2nd. I will enjoy the aggro and slight edge to the atmosphere. I will enjoy taunting the Gresty creche end when we score. I will enjoy watching the 13 and 14 year olds of Crewe trying to run at Vale fans walking back to the train station as is tradition every year. Chris Eubank would giggle over you getting relegated. Chris Eubank looks forward to the strong possibility of civil legal proceedings kicking off when the inquiry is finished and justice being served.

It goes no further than that.

Stoke? Christ. I fucking HATE them. I have a bottle of bollinger in the fridge earmarked for their relegation to L1. Some of their fans I hope fucking die.

In relation to the shit down the road, Crewe by comparison mean as much to me as Maidstone or Blyth Spartans.

I didn't read it that way. Wasn't he saying they hate Stoke more than they hate Vale. He worded it differently, saying they hate Stoke more than Vale, you've added do, at the end.
 

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Said it before about Vale Crewe and I'll say it again. It depends on your age. Football fans crave rivalry. Our situation is different to Crewe's in that we share a City with Stoke. We're amongst each other day in day out. I grew up in the 80s and 90s so lived through the years when we were above them and played regularly. For years I remember scores being announced at half time and if Crewe were winning some Vale fans cheered. Growing up throughout that time influences your view for years and years. Add to that the fact that I don't know one single Crewe fan, it just doesn't register the same emotions as it would Stoke. I genuinely think there are younger Vale fans who despise Crewe and see them as rivals, but it's not as clear cut as other rivalries which are pretty obvious. It can change depending who you speak to.
It definitely does depend on your age. I started supporting Crewe when we hadn't played a league game against Stoke or Vale for the best part of a decade because they were 1 or 2 divisions above us. Wrexham and Chester were our rivals as far as I'm concerned.

It probably depends a little on where you're from as well - I grew up in Alsager, which is in Cheshire and Crewe is the nearest team. However, it's close enough to Stoke (and a lot of families from Stoke have moved to Alsager) that there's quite a lot of Stoke and Vale fans in the town (there certainly were at my school). If I was from the other side of Crewe, Stoke and Vale probably wouldn't have invaded my consciousness until we started playing them.
 

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Given the lino at that point should have been watching the line for offsides, how he supposedly spotted a push by Hunt and then a punch out by Robinson from 40 yards away is next level impressive. Even if the lino is convinced by what he saw, I don't know how a ref in good conscience can give those 2 massive decisions on the linos distant judgement.

Especially when said lino got his flagging wrong in the initial instance, showing even he was confused by what he saw. I mean, him flagging for a free kick suggests he saw Robinson lash out at Hunt. But then somewhere in his mind, he remembered Hunt fouled Robinson, leading to the penalty award. That level of confusion, at 0-0 at that stage of the game? And the ref goes with it? Nah.

I'm not saying the ref should disagree, I'm saying he shouldn't award the 2 major decisions based on a confused obscured view of what his assistant thinks happened.
A mate of mine works at the club and has seen a replay said it was the correct all round
 

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It definitely does depend on your age. I started supporting Crewe when we hadn't played a league game against Stoke or Vale for the best part of a decade because they were 1 or 2 divisions above us. Wrexham and Chester were our rivals as far as I'm concerned.

It probably depends a little on where you're from as well - I grew up in Alsager, which is in Cheshire and Crewe is the nearest team. However, it's close enough to Stoke (and a lot of families from Stoke have moved to Alsager) that there's quite a lot of Stoke and Vale fans in the town (there certainly were at my school). If I was from the other side of Crewe, Stoke and Vale probably wouldn't have invaded my consciousness until we started playing them.
That's it. I used to be firmly in the camp that it's not a derby, not a rivalry because that's just how it's always been for me personally. Other people think differently though and see Crewe as the big one they look out for. Considering it's been 17 years since we played Stoke, anyone younger than 22 won't really understand what that derby was like.
 
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I'm in my mid 20s so I remember when Stoke was our big game. Tony Pulis made that club what it is today and they called for his sacking every week. I was in High School when Stoke made the PL and they all came out of the woodwork in South Cheshire and what made it worse was that we were in steep decline at the same time. I spent a decade waiting for their demise and I would love that club to tumble into League One obscurity like Sunderland. If we played them next season you'd get our highest league attendance since 2006 pretty much guaranteed. Because whilst the Vale games are often tense and full of drama, at the end of the day we're two run-of-the-mill traditional lower league clubs. Ourselves and Vale both want the big fish in the area more than each other and that's Stoke.

At the end of the day, whilst I dislike Vale and hope we win 10-0 next Saturday, I do have some respect for their fans. They could've taken the easy way out and gone down to the bet365 but they stuck by the Vale and had a few years above Stoke before the status quo sadly returned. I used to go the Crewe-Vale games in Division 2/League One in the 2000s and there was no trouble at all. The trouble only started with the aforementioned penalty decision, then we both spent the next two seasons in the playoff battle and then the first season Vale had back in League One where there was a scrap in the executive boxes at Vale Park. But I think ever since the drab 0-0 on opening day in 2015-16, it's not as intense as it used to be. Maybe losing Micky Adams caused that because we really didn't like him.

It's sad that I'm not old enough to remember league games with Chester and Wrexham. I just don't have the dislike for either of them that our older fans have as a result. In fact, I'd like both of those teams in the league. The only other local team I have a significant dislike of along with Vale is Stockport. And thankfully we sent them packing many years ago in revenge for them sending us to League Two a few years before.
 
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