Toosdee night games

[valefan16]

You’re from some town deep in the midlands, you have no affiliation to the local area and I can guarantee I know more Vale fans than you do.

What’s that got to do with anything? I still know what we sing about, what we don’t and what we discuss on our forums and the fans I do know.

Been going 20 years I know what we hate.

 

[valefan16]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1186903662276284416

https://twitter.com/x/status/1184513051162267648

Our media team even last season have been excellent, love these videos. The Orient one was good with the lads celebrating a goal.

 

[F!RTHY]

What a fucking clown

as usual

Haha!

 

[E10rifle]

We lost to Orient on the opening day due to an absolutely farcical red card,

Good post in general, but let’s not rewrite history. We were already 1-0 up and you didn’t have a shot after about the 5th minute.

 

[TrinidadsNumberOne]

Any Vale fan who says they cared more about Shrewsbury than Crewe is telling porkies. From 1978-2008 they never even played each other in the league once. It was only because Vale went on their pitch after a last minute winner in one of their first visits to the new ground that it even kicked off anyway. 7 seasons in the same division in 40 years compared to ourselves where we've played each other in 15 of the last 23 seasons? It's like us claiming we hate Macclesfield more than Vale (which we don't as they're a fine and noble club and it's a good local away).

 

[TrinidadsNumberOne]

As for yesterday I'm still at a loss as to what happened in injury time. But thankfully Will Jaaskelainen saved a point for us. You can tell why Colchester got clean sheets against two PL sides this season in the cups. It's a shame they have no end product because they have the base of a genuine promotion contender if they rectified that.

 

[Buxton Vale]

Shrewsbury aren't high on my list, but historically, the likes of Wrexham and Walsall were the games to look forward to back in the day.

 

[Dan Phillips]

Any Vale fan claiming they don’t give a shit about Crewe is a liar. Pretend they don’t care until we beat them and then they’re giving it large on social media. Lose and the bitter ‘don’t care about Crewe, just another game’ drivel gets spouted everywhere. I don’t hate them. Far from it. Play some excellent football. They just have a proper cringeworthy bunch of younger supporters (late teens to early 20s) who embarrass themselves regularly.

I want to beat them. Of course I do. Will I lose any sleep if we don’t? Nope. I will, however, be fuming if we put in a performance similar to that of Macclesfield away recently. I can take them outplaying us and being the better side but we better make a fucking good go of it.

 

[valefan16]

Any Vale fan claiming they don’t give a shit about Crewe is a liar. Pretend they don’t care until we beat them and then they’re giving it large on social media. Lose and the bitter ‘don’t care about Crewe, just another game’ drivel gets spouted everywhere. I don’t hate them. Far from it. Play some excellent football. They just have a proper cringeworthy bunch of younger supporters (late teens to early 20s) who embarrass themselves regularly.

I want to beat them. Of course I do. Will I lose any sleep if we don’t? Nope. I will, however, be fuming if we put in a performance similar to that of Macclesfield away recently. I can take them outplaying us and being the better side but we better make a fucking good go of it.

You’ve contradicted yourself a little bit there with suggesting you care but won’t lose sleep over losing it?

The point is they hate us, we don’t really hate them, they have an arrogance etc but it isn’t enough to hate them.

I want to beat them... but I want to beat everyone we play!

In terms of having a go that’s what got the fans spitting blood at Macc; put in yesterday’s level of effort and performance and lose then fair enough...

 

[valefan16]

Shrewsbury aren't high on my list, but historically, the likes of Wrexham and Walsall were the games to look forward to back in the day.

The Shrewsbury rivalry ran from 2008 for a few years when loads of trouble and 1pm ko’s it was more spicey than the Crewe games but then died off when we both ended in L1.

Walsall was a massive one behind stoke years ago but way before my time and non existent now of course!

Wrexham games were pretty nuts, the “battle of Wrexham” in 2003 I was 18 went up on my own to that game and the worst trouble I’ve seen at a game, the garden gnomes being lobbed at fans from gardens and riot police etc. Not our supporters finest hour! A side rivalry gone sadly due to them constantly bottling getting back in the league!

But of course all pale into insignificance for the one we want to renew more than any other... 17 long years since Micky Cummins pea-roller of a flick header at the Britannia...

 

[TrinidadsNumberOne]

I can guarantee we hate Stoke a lot more than Vale, unless it's our fans that don't recall ever playing Stoke.

It's one thing playing each other every season and wanting to beat each other more than anyone else in the league, which is the case with Vale. But it's another thing having Stoke shirts in Crewe spring up the moment they made the Premier League, the season ticket billboards all around Crewe promoting Stoke and our Championship gloryhunters switching allegiance for their Premier League adventure. Crewe fans that want Stoke to do well always bug me. Why would you when they did that?

 

[Dan Phillips]

 

[dedwardp]

As for yesterday I'm still at a loss as to what happened in injury time. But thankfully Will Jaaskelainen saved a point for us. You can tell why Colchester got clean sheets against two PL sides this season in the cups. It's a shame they have no end product because they have the base of a genuine promotion contender if they rectified that.

The likes of Harriott, Senior, Poku and Gambin are all capable of creating plenty, but when you're relying on Norris and Nouble to be the ones getting on the end of anything you'll struggle to score many. Robinson has been better to be fair and I like Nouble, but he's not a goalscorer.

If we can become a bit more clinical or even just ensure we're not too far off the pace by January where we can add a goalscorer then we'll have a chance. Otherwise another finish just outside the play-offs probably beckons.

 

[lordofthepies]

Have you gone fucking mental?

What the hell are you talking about?

 

[lordofthepies]

You’ve contradicted yourself a little bit there with suggesting you care but won’t lose sleep over losing it?

It's not that difficult to understand; he cares but not enough to keep him up at night.

For what it's worth, I've got nothing against Vale really. I've always considered the rivalry to be a quite friendly one, although there's been a few unpleasant experiences in recent years with the little scrotes from both sides making tits out of themselves. The teams I dislike are our traditional rivals Wrexham and Chester and also Stoke.

 

[valefan16]

It's not that difficult to understand; he cares but not enough to keep him up at night.

For what it's worth, I've got nothing against Vale really. I've always considered the rivalry to be a quite friendly one, although there's been a few unpleasant experiences in recent years with the little scrotes from both sides making tits out of themselves. The teams I dislike are our traditional rivals Wrexham and Chester and also Stoke.

I recall prior to the Adams/Gradi era us singing our usual anti Stoke songs when playing Crewe and your lot joining in!

Wouldn’t worry to much about Stoke shirts in Crewe most of the 2008ers as we call them will be down sports direct purchasing Liverpool or Man City ones now.

 

[Si Robin]

Good post in general, but let’s not rewrite history. We were already 1-0 up and you didn’t have a shot after about the 5th minute.

Ok, how about the stonewall penalty then, in which your keeper went off injured as a result of, but the ref claimed there was no contact?

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

Vale and Crewe are football rivals.

The End.

 

[mozzavale]

Said it before about Vale Crewe and I'll say it again. It depends on your age. Football fans crave rivalry. Our situation is different to Crewe's in that we share a City with Stoke. We're amongst each other day in day out. I grew up in the 80s and 90s so lived through the years when we were above them and played regularly. For years I remember scores being announced at half time and if Crewe were winning some Vale fans cheered. Growing up throughout that time influences your view for years and years. Add to that the fact that I don't know one single Crewe fan, it just doesn't register the same emotions as it would Stoke. I genuinely think there are younger Vale fans who despise Crewe and see them as rivals, but it's not as clear cut as other rivalries which are pretty obvious. It can change depending who you speak to.

 

[E10rifle]

Ok, how about the stonewall penalty then, in which your keeper went off injured as a result of, but the ref claimed there was no contact?

What about Lee Angel’s disallowed goal in the first half that was about a yard onside? We can play “if, but, maybe” all you want, but the fact is that claiming your defeat was because of “a ridiculous sending off” (and I assume you mean Ince’s rather than Varney’s) is egregious.

 

[JJ1532]

What's he supposed to do? If the linesman was actually watching them and is convinced he saw a foul, the ref (who was looking elsewhere) is hardly gonna tell him he was wrong.

Given the lino at that point should have been watching the line for offsides, how he supposedly spotted a push by Hunt and then a punch out by Robinson from 40 yards away is next level impressive. Even if the lino is convinced by what he saw, I don't know how a ref in good conscience can give those 2 massive decisions on the linos distant judgement.

Especially when said lino got his flagging wrong in the initial instance, showing even he was confused by what he saw. I mean, him flagging for a free kick suggests he saw Robinson lash out at Hunt. But then somewhere in his mind, he remembered Hunt fouled Robinson, leading to the penalty award. That level of confusion, at 0-0 at that stage of the game? And the ref goes with it? Nah.

I'm not saying the ref should disagree, I'm saying he shouldn't award the 2 major decisions based on a confused obscured view of what his assistant thinks happened.

 

[valefan16]

Given the lino at that point should have been watching the line for offsides, how he supposedly spotted a push by Hunt and then a punch out by Robinson from 40 yards away is next level impressive. Even if the lino is convinced by what he saw, I don't know how a ref in good conscience can give those 2 massive decisions on the linos distant judgement.

Especially when said lino got his flagging wrong in the initial instance, showing even he was confused by what he saw. I mean, him flagging for a free kick suggests he saw Robinson lash out at Hunt. But then somewhere in his mind, he remembered Hunt fouled Robinson, leading to the penalty award. That level of confusion, at 0-0 at that stage of the game? And the ref goes with it? Nah.

I'm not saying the ref should disagree, I'm saying he shouldn't award the 2 major decisions based on a confused obscured view of what his assistant thinks happened.

Based on officiating this season so far are you surprised by this?

 

[Buxton Vale]

I wouldn't be wishing any football fans dead, even Stoke. You may want to re-think that statement.

 

[lordofthepies]

Crewe hate Stoke a lot more than Vale do!?!?!?

You've misunderstood what he was saying. He was saying Crewe hate Stoke more than Crewe hate Vale.

 

[lordofthepies]

Said it before about Vale Crewe and I'll say it again. It depends on your age. Football fans crave rivalry. Our situation is different to Crewe's in that we share a City with Stoke. We're amongst each other day in day out. I grew up in the 80s and 90s so lived through the years when we were above them and played regularly. For years I remember scores being announced at half time and if Crewe were winning some Vale fans cheered. Growing up throughout that time influences your view for years and years. Add to that the fact that I don't know one single Crewe fan, it just doesn't register the same emotions as it would Stoke. I genuinely think there are younger Vale fans who despise Crewe and see them as rivals, but it's not as clear cut as other rivalries which are pretty obvious. It can change depending who you speak to.

It definitely does depend on your age. I started supporting Crewe when we hadn't played a league game against Stoke or Vale for the best part of a decade because they were 1 or 2 divisions above us. Wrexham and Chester were our rivals as far as I'm concerned.

It probably depends a little on where you're from as well - I grew up in Alsager, which is in Cheshire and Crewe is the nearest team. However, it's close enough to Stoke (and a lot of families from Stoke have moved to Alsager) that there's quite a lot of Stoke and Vale fans in the town (there certainly were at my school). If I was from the other side of Crewe, Stoke and Vale probably wouldn't have invaded my consciousness until we started playing them.

 

[Crewe90]

Given the lino at that point should have been watching the line for offsides, how he supposedly spotted a push by Hunt and then a punch out by Robinson from 40 yards away is next level impressive. Even if the lino is convinced by what he saw, I don't know how a ref in good conscience can give those 2 massive decisions on the linos distant judgement.

Especially when said lino got his flagging wrong in the initial instance, showing even he was confused by what he saw. I mean, him flagging for a free kick suggests he saw Robinson lash out at Hunt. But then somewhere in his mind, he remembered Hunt fouled Robinson, leading to the penalty award. That level of confusion, at 0-0 at that stage of the game? And the ref goes with it? Nah.

I'm not saying the ref should disagree, I'm saying he shouldn't award the 2 major decisions based on a confused obscured view of what his assistant thinks happened.

A mate of mine works at the club and has seen a replay said it was the correct all round

 

[mozzavale]

It definitely does depend on your age. I started supporting Crewe when we hadn't played a league game against Stoke or Vale for the best part of a decade because they were 1 or 2 divisions above us. Wrexham and Chester were our rivals as far as I'm concerned.

It probably depends a little on where you're from as well - I grew up in Alsager, which is in Cheshire and Crewe is the nearest team. However, it's close enough to Stoke (and a lot of families from Stoke have moved to Alsager) that there's quite a lot of Stoke and Vale fans in the town (there certainly were at my school). If I was from the other side of Crewe, Stoke and Vale probably wouldn't have invaded my consciousness until we started playing them.

That's it. I used to be firmly in the camp that it's not a derby, not a rivalry because that's just how it's always been for me personally. Other people think differently though and see Crewe as the big one they look out for. Considering it's been 17 years since we played Stoke, anyone younger than 22 won't really understand what that derby was like.

 

[GTFCfish]

How on earth has the ref missed that Plymouth handball?!

Apparently the referee was a Mr. Eric Read from Oxfordshire.

 

[TrinidadsNumberOne]

I'm in my mid 20s so I remember when Stoke was our big game. Tony Pulis made that club what it is today and they called for his sacking every week. I was in High School when Stoke made the PL and they all came out of the woodwork in South Cheshire and what made it worse was that we were in steep decline at the same time. I spent a decade waiting for their demise and I would love that club to tumble into League One obscurity like Sunderland. If we played them next season you'd get our highest league attendance since 2006 pretty much guaranteed. Because whilst the Vale games are often tense and full of drama, at the end of the day we're two run-of-the-mill traditional lower league clubs. Ourselves and Vale both want the big fish in the area more than each other and that's Stoke.

At the end of the day, whilst I dislike Vale and hope we win 10-0 next Saturday, I do have some respect for their fans. They could've taken the easy way out and gone down to the bet365 but they stuck by the Vale and had a few years above Stoke before the status quo sadly returned. I used to go the Crewe-Vale games in Division 2/League One in the 2000s and there was no trouble at all. The trouble only started with the aforementioned penalty decision, then we both spent the next two seasons in the playoff battle and then the first season Vale had back in League One where there was a scrap in the executive boxes at Vale Park. But I think ever since the drab 0-0 on opening day in 2015-16, it's not as intense as it used to be. Maybe losing Micky Adams caused that because we really didn't like him.

It's sad that I'm not old enough to remember league games with Chester and Wrexham. I just don't have the dislike for either of them that our older fans have as a result. In fact, I'd like both of those teams in the league. The only other local team I have a significant dislike of along with Vale is Stockport. And thankfully we sent them packing many years ago in revenge for them sending us to League Two a few years before.