1-24 League One Competition

[folletto]

Well, I got my team right at least

One of the few to predict the Charlton stinker of a season

 

[folletto]

Interesting to see the earlier predictions had Charlton as low as 20th and now must have us in play offs

1. Bolton
2. Derby
3. Porsmouth
4. Peterborough
5. Barnsley
6. Oxford
7. Blackpool
8. Charlton
9. Wycombe
10. Bristol Rovers
11. Burton
12. Port Vale
13. Leyton Orient
14. Wigan
15. Reading
16. Lincoln
17. Shrewsbury
18. Stevenage
19.Fleetwood
20. Exeter
21. Cheltenham
22.Cambridge
23. Carlisle
24. Northampton

Nailed the teams in the top 6, just not the order. Pretty happy with that, usually hopeless at these

 

[EricSabin]

Nailed the teams in the top 6, just not the order. Pretty happy with that, usually hopeless at these

I’d say it’s still a hopeless effort

 

[White horse]

Nailed the teams in the top 6, just not the order. Pretty happy with that, usually hopeless at these

Think those predictions deserve a bit of praise, good effort

 

[Madejski]

Is the collective intelligence of TFF accurate at predicting the league one table? ..

Here's the average league table predictions from the Summer across all 36 people who predicted 1-24s;

1 Derby (2.28)
2 Bolton (3.11)
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3 Portsmouth (3.83)
4 Blackpool (4.44)
5 Charlton (5.75)
6 Barnsley (5.94)
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7 Oxford (7.69)
8 Peterborough (7.89)
9 Bristol Rovers (11.00)
10 Lincoln (11.44)
11 Wycombe (12.28)
12 Reading (13.22)
13 Wigan (13.56)
14 Leyton Orient (14.22)
15 Burton (14.53)
16 Shrewsbury (15.31)
17 Fleetwood (16.58)
18 Port Vale (17.25)
19 Exeter (18.08)
20 Stevenage (18.64)
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21 Northampton (20.11)
22 Cambridge (20.53)
23 Carlisle (20.67)
24 Cheltenham (21.64)

 

[Madejski]

I also have all of the data together to work out who made the best predictions in the Summer... May have to remind me after the final round of games.

Let me know if you want to be taken off the final rankings!

 

[leedsvaliant]

I put us just above the drop (1 place). I think I'll be 1 or 2 places out the wrong way. Could tell from our recruitment that we had made the same mistakes and we went into the season with a coach rather than a manager.

 

[TrinidadsNumberOne]

I'm not going to go in on you because I actually really enjoy your posts, but that is definitely full of anti-Vale bias, however much you deny it. Not a chance in this world we finish bottom of the league. If we do, your 24/25 Crewe Alexandra season ticket is on me fella.

One place away from a free season ticket. I hate you Carlisle United...

 

[E10rifle]

I also have all of the data together to work out who made the best predictions in the Summer... May have to remind me after the final round of games.

Let me know if you want to be taken off the final rankings!

Get on with it then

 

[Luke Imp]

This is my effort, subject to change over the next week or so! Apologies for the essay, some of my comment might be a little misguided, I've not kept up to date with every side.

Derby
Charlton
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Bolton
Oxford Utd
Portsmouth
Peterborough
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Blackpool
Barnsley
Lincoln
Shrewsbury
Bristol Rovers
Burton Albion
Wycombe
Leyton Orient
Reading
Exeter
Fleetwood Town
Cambridge Utd
Stevenage
Wigan
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Carlisle
Port Vale
Northampton
Cheltenham

It’s an interesting league this season IMO, can’t say I know much about everyone so some of it is a stab in the dark. I don’t think there’s going to be an FGR/Crewe/Doncaster type bad side this season.

Since we’ve been in L1, and I’ve not checked to back this up, it’s felt like one promoted side has been safely tucked in midtable whilst others either drop back to L2, or just about survive.

I worry for Cheltenham without May. They kept 15 clean sheets last season, and you wonder whether they’ll have to be even better than that to compensate for the potential lack of goals.

Exeter, Vale and Bristol Rovers will need to sort their GA column out because it’s not sustainable at 70+ a season – Cheltenham, Accrington and Cambridge were all as bad defensively a couple of seasons ago and only the former ended up finishing fairly comfortably late on last season.

Derby will be strong under Warne, Posh are always in and around it, Charlton look to have recruited well and Oxford won’t be anywhere near as bad as last season and I fancy them to bounce back into being a good L1 side, especially with their backing. Blackpool will get some sort of structure back under Critchley and have their Championship money.

The two most interesting sides for me will be Shrewsbury and Wycombe, both have changed from more direct managers to two younger ones who’ll look to play a little more and that switch in style, with a young manager as well, is a risk but ones that might work for them both.

Northampton are a yo-yo club, so I’ve stuck them there based purely on that and they’ve not caught my eye this summer. I’ve heard very little about Carlisle if I’m honest. Vale have an inexperienced manager and whilst he’s stepping up from being a number two, for every Schumacher at Plymouth, there are also some disasters. You’d fancy Orient to be clear of relegation trouble given how they pissed L2 but Wellens seems to get found out at L1 level - perhaps that was circumstances of the sides he managed, not sure.

If anyone ever works Burton out, let me know. Constantly sign lots of players, have massive squads, usually end up struggling, sacking the manager, the new one gets tune out of the squad and they end up safe. Rinse and repeat. That said, they seem to have recruited fairly well and I think they’ll be comfortably safe this season.

Wigan are gonna have a fight on their hands to stay up I think. What’s happened there can sometimes create a bit of a siege mentality but they’re having to trim the wage bill so much that it’ll probably be a tight season for them.

I think Reading are going to be a side who settle into L1 life like Portsmouth and Charlton have. The latter have made the most eye catching additions this pre-season in my opinion.

Fleetwood, I don’t know whether the whole Pilley thing will spook players and they’ll look for a way out over the next couple of transfer windows but Stockton and Marriott as a front two isn’t bad.

As for us, I’d be amazed if we drew anywhere near as many as last season just because I don’t think it’s possible to draw nearly half your games for two seasons in a row even if you tried! Our defence, on paper at least, is probably weaker with the departure of Poole and his replacement is a 19-year old who’s played the last two seasons mainly as a LB. After a steady first year as a Head Coach, I think Kennedy will try and be a little more entertainingly, although in the second half of last season we were in Play-Off form so I’m not sure we need to change too much. We’ve still got some work to do with the squad though, it just doesn’t feel quite there at the minute but another month or so before the window closes (or is that SLAMMED shut?). We haven’t made any loan signings yet either. I don’t even know how I’ve managed to put us that high really, just happened as I’ve been going through the sides.

Not a bad effort overall.

That mid-table pack is always hard to call but apart from getting Charlton and Northampton wildly wrong, pretty much spot on at each end of the table.

 

[denzel ecfc]

1 Bolton
2 Derby
3 Portsmouth
4 Peterborough
5 Wycombe
6 Barnsley
7 Charlton
8 Wigan
9 Blackpool
10 Reading
11 Oxford
12 Exeter
13 Rovers
14 Leyton Orient
15 Lincoln
16 Port Vale
17 Northampton
18 Shrewsbury
19 Stevenage
20 Fleetwood
21 Carlisle
22 Cheltenham
23 Burton
24 Cambridge

Just to keep Masi happy..

Pretty pleased with that. Undercooked Lincoln and Stevenage a bit but I wasn't alone, overestimated Wycombe and Charlton and got five of the top six, and five of the bottom six.

 

[Woody OUFC]

Hello!

Sorry its taken me so long to get back with the results to this quiz. Thanks to everyone who took part. In the end there was a clear winner. Here's the results in point order.

1. Lancashire Trotters 20 pts
2. Amber Rich 15 pts
2 Bar Carousel 15 pts
4. Folletto 14 pts
4. Hello Gregory 14 pts
4. Robie 14pts
7. Denzel ecfc 13 pts
7. K Win 13pts
9. Don Tonberry 12 pts
9. Big Fat Ron 12 pts
9. Si Robin 12 pts
12. Carver 11pts
13. Alfie 10 pts
13. Luke Imp 10 pts
15. Laker 9 pts
15. Steve CTFC 9 pts
17. Tom CUFC 8 pts
17. Leeds Valiant 8 pts
17. Red Deserato 8 pts
17. Kernow Gas 8 pts
17. Vale Fan 16 8 pts
22. Sydney Posse 7 pts
22. E10 Rifle 7 pts
24. Amber Andy 6 pts
24. Floreat Salopia 6 pts
24. Kieran Vale 6 pts
24. Randolph Haggerty 6 pts
24. Strawberry Jam 6 pts
24. The Terminator 6 pts
24. Woody OUFC 6 pts
31. SVH 5 pts
31. Masi 51 5 pts
33. Dwight Yorke 4 pts
34. Buxton Vale 3 pts
35. Trinidads Number One 2 pts

Congratulations to Lancashire Trotters!
I did promise a bottle of bubbly to the winner, so if you fancy it, dm me your local post office address and I'll send it you.

My apologies to anyone if I have miscounted your score.

Regards Woody OUFC
and COYY!!

 

[Luke Imp]

Thanks for running it, Woody OUFC!

 

[Woody OUFC]

Thanks for running it, Woody OUFC!

Thanks Luke.

 

[northstandexile]

On the League Two page the same competition is run with posters predicting their 1-24 but the scoring is different as points are awarded for being closest to the final table position of all 24 teams. I have re worked the points total to compare the standard as against the League Two players. Interestingly the League One posters have been far more accurate than the scores in the League Two competition. A score of 124 is a very good score and won this season's League 2 competition whereas a score of 124 in League One this season would have finished in the bottom six.

So here are the scores using the other scoring method. (numbers in brackets indicate the finishing position using Woody's scoring points system).

76​	FourFourTwo
86​	denzel ecfc (7)
88​	Don Tonberry (9)
90​	LancashireTrotters (1)
92​	AmberRich (2)
92​	folletto (4)
94​	bigfatron (9)
94​	madejski AVERAGE
96​	The Terminator (24)
96​	hellogregory (4)
96​	AmberAndy (24)
98​	luke Imp (13)
98​	buxton vale (34)
100​	Strawberry Jam (24)
100​	Bar carousel (2)
100​	Alfie (13)
102​	si robin (1st attempt) (22)
104​	K-Win (7)
106​	Red Deserato (17)
108​	Tom CUFC (17)
108​	Randolph Haggerty (24)
108​	Not the top 20
110​	leedsvaliant (17)
110​	shoddycollins
110​	sydney posse (22)
110​	Woody OUFC (24)
114​	Laker (15)
114​	kieran vale (24)
116​	E10rifle (22)
116​	dwightyorke (33)
118​	Floreat Salopia (24)
120​	valefan16 (17)
120​	SVH (31)
124​	SteveCTFC (15)
128​	masi51 (31)
128​	Robie (4)
130​	kernow gas (17)
132​	Carver (12)
134​	trinidads number one (35)
150​	si robin (2nd attempt) (9)

 

[Woody OUFC]

On the League Two page the same competition is run with posters predicting their 1-24 but the scoring is different as points are awarded for being closest to the final table position of all 24 teams. I have re worked the points total to compare the standard as against the League Two players. Interestingly the League One posters have been far more accurate than the scores in the League Two competition. A score of 124 is a very good score and won this season's League 2 competition whereas a score of 124 in League One this season would have finished in the bottom six.

So here are the scores using the other scoring method. (numbers in brackets indicate the finishing position using Woody's scoring points system).

76​	FourFourTwo
86​	denzel ecfc (7)
88​	Don Tonberry (9)
90​	LancashireTrotters (1)
92​	AmberRich (2)
92​	folletto (4)
94​	bigfatron (9)
94​	madejski AVERAGE
96​	The Terminator (24)
96​	hellogregory (4)
96​	AmberAndy (24)
98​	luke Imp (13)
98​	buxton vale (34)
100​	Strawberry Jam (24)
100​	Bar carousel (2)
100​	Alfie (13)
102​	si robin (1st attempt) (22)
104​	K-Win (7)
106​	Red Deserato (17)
108​	Tom CUFC (17)
108​	Randolph Haggerty (24)
108​	Not the top 20
110​	leedsvaliant (17)
110​	shoddycollins
110​	sydney posse (22)
110​	Woody OUFC (24)
114​	Laker (15)
114​	kieran vale (24)
116​	E10rifle (22)
116​	dwightyorke (33)
118​	Floreat Salopia (24)
120​	valefan16 (17)
120​	SVH (31)
124​	SteveCTFC (15)
128​	masi51 (31)
128​	Robie (4)
130​	kernow gas (17)
132​	Carver (12)
134​	trinidads number one (35)
150​	si robin (2nd attempt) (9)

Thanks for that NorthStandExile, it's an interesting comparison. Both systems are good in their own way. I suppose the other system does show a more accurate overall prediction. The thing I prefer about the 3pt 1pt system is that the winner usually predicts the most correct positions. For example Denzel ecfc won the competition with the other system but didn't predict many correct positions. In fact you could win the whole competition without getting a single teams position correct. As I say though, both good and both have their advantages.

 

[northstandexile]

Thanks for that NorthStandExile, it's an interesting comparison. Both systems are good in their own way. I suppose the other system does show a more accurate overall prediction. The thing I prefer about the 3pt 1pt system is that the winner usually predicts the most correct positions. For example Denzel ecfc won the competition with the other system but didn't predict many correct positions. In fact you could win the whole competition without getting a single teams position correct. As I say though, both good and both have their advantages.

Yeah, I am not decrying your points system, I just wanted to compare the difference in League One and League Two predictions, using the same scoring system. What was interesting was that the League One predictions were a lot more accurate than League Two. Is it that League Two was much more open or that the League Two players are shite at predicting.

 

[denzel ecfc]

On the League Two page the same competition is run with posters predicting their 1-24 but the scoring is different as points are awarded for being closest to the final table position of all 24 teams. I have re worked the points total to compare the standard as against the League Two players. Interestingly the League One posters have been far more accurate than the scores in the League Two competition. A score of 124 is a very good score and won this season's League 2 competition whereas a score of 124 in League One this season would have finished in the bottom six.

So here are the scores using the other scoring method. (numbers in brackets indicate the finishing position using Woody's scoring points system).

76​	FourFourTwo
86​	denzel ecfc (7)
88​	Don Tonberry (9)
90​	LancashireTrotters (1)
92​	AmberRich (2)
92​	folletto (4)
94​	bigfatron (9)
94​	madejski AVERAGE
96​	The Terminator (24)
96​	hellogregory (4)
96​	AmberAndy (24)
98​	luke Imp (13)
98​	buxton vale (34)
100​	Strawberry Jam (24)
100​	Bar carousel (2)
100​	Alfie (13)
102​	si robin (1st attempt) (22)
104​	K-Win (7)
106​	Red Deserato (17)
108​	Tom CUFC (17)
108​	Randolph Haggerty (24)
108​	Not the top 20
110​	leedsvaliant (17)
110​	shoddycollins
110​	sydney posse (22)
110​	Woody OUFC (24)
114​	Laker (15)
114​	kieran vale (24)
116​	E10rifle (22)
116​	dwightyorke (33)
118​	Floreat Salopia (24)
120​	valefan16 (17)
120​	SVH (31)
124​	SteveCTFC (15)
128​	masi51 (31)
128​	Robie (4)
130​	kernow gas (17)
132​	Carver (12)
134​	trinidads number one (35)
150​	si robin (2nd attempt) (9)

Second again, same on the exeweb one..