Boxing Day: - 26th December

[leedsvaliant]

Incredibly, Tom Sang's red card has not been rescinded. What a joke the officials and FA are. They cost us week after week. I'm convinced at this point that they have some vendetta against us as a football club. Apparently, the linesman put his flag up against Cook for the second goal and replays suggest he was offside. The ref ignored it.

We don't get penalties either.

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

Seriously why would the FA have a vendetta or any sort of agenda against Port Vale?

You sound like a Leeds United fan with that sort of crazy talk.

 

[leedsvaliant]

Seriously why would the FA have a vendetta or any sort of agenda against Port Vale?

You sound like a Leeds United fan with that sort of crazy talk.

It's just constant. We had about 4 or 5 apology letters last season, we'll have the same again this year. We went a ridiculous amount of time without a penalty...I'm not sure we've had one this season.

It does start to feel like there's a personal vendetta against our club. Another goal scored against us on Boxing day that was offside. We've had one debatable decision go our way in recent weeks and about 5 against.

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

But why would they have a vendetta against Port Vale, what have you done to the FA to cause them to have an agenda against a League Two club?

Unsurprisingly fans remember the decisions that go against but don't the ones that go for them.

 

[leedsvaliant]

But why would they have a vendetta against Port Vale, what have you done to the FA to cause them to have an agenda against a League Two club?

Unsurprisingly fans remember the decisions that go against but don't the ones that go for them.

Honestly, I don't think there is a vendetta but it sure feels like it. I think we've been on the end of two fairly fortunate decisions this season. The first when Sang challenged a Donny player when through on goal....there's an argument that he got a bit on the ball but I thought he was lucky. The other being against Carlisle where I thought the foul given was a bit soft. There are several game defining ones which have gone against us though...far more. And that's just this season. As I say, we get more apology letters than Santa.

 

[クレイグ]

Incredibly, Tom Sang's red card has not been rescinded. What a joke the officials and FA are. They cost us week after week. I'm convinced at this point that they have some vendetta against us as a football club. Apparently, the linesman put his flag up against Cook for the second goal and replays suggest he was offside. The ref ignored it.

We don't get penalties either.

Red card is around the 16:33 mark. I'd be fuming if we had a red for that. Our player has made a right meal out of that.

 

[Dan Phillips]

Not even wasting my breath commenting too in depth because you'll get the same childish, moronic replies about sour grapes and victim complexes from the usual suspects. We'll just keep plodding on getting absolutely shafted every week. No danger. Fuck the EFL.

 

[mozzavale]

I still stand by the fact I think the linesman v Bromley cheated, but I'm not complaining about Sangs red card. Don't think it was an intentional elbow, I think Sarcevic won it more than anything, but can see why it was given. At no point did Sang look at the ball and he raised his arm. Foolish. The appeal seems to have been knowing an extra game being added for a rejected appeal wouldn't effect us much, do they include the piss pot trophy in the suspension? He wouldn't have played anyway. The appeal seems more in hope than anything.

The flag being up for the winner is an odd one. I can only guess the liner saw a player in an offside position, flagged, the ref probably asked him through his headset was off, liner will give him the players number and the ref will say he didn't interfere. I've seen the still from the moment the kick was taken. Hard to tell if he's off from that angle. Looks like Hall at the far side may just be playing him on.

Frustrating but no complaints from me. Ripley should have done better with the 1st. Position was fine, he wasn't lobbed, it went straight so his position was irrelevant. If anything the further out he was the lower the ball would be as it goes past him.

Then the 2nd is shocking from Debrah. I've never rated him. Non league player.

 

[クレイグ]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1873005052937531410

Another angle for the red. Hmmm. Maybe the right call. Still think it's harsh.

 

[kieran_vale]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1873005052937531410

Another angle for the red. Hmmm. Maybe the right call. Still think it's harsh.

It’s one of them the arm is out there, where it connects is depending what angle you’re looking at I guess as the ref clearly saw nothing wrong with it and was the 4th official who called it. All comes down to what threshold is required to overturn, if they say clear and obvious error well I can’t say it’s that once the decision has been made even if subjectively it’s harsh in my opinion. Either way it ain’t changing now so no point quibbling over it.

 

[leedsvaliant]

I still stand by the fact I think the linesman v Bromley cheated, but I'm not complaining about Sangs red card. Don't think it was an intentional elbow, I think Sarcevic won it more than anything, but can see why it was given. At no point did Sang look at the ball and he raised his arm. Foolish. The appeal seems to have been knowing an extra game being added for a rejected appeal wouldn't effect us much, do they include the piss pot trophy in the suspension? He wouldn't have played anyway. The appeal seems more in hope than anything.

The flag being up for the winner is an odd one. I can only guess the liner saw a player in an offside position, flagged, the ref probably asked him through his headset was off, liner will give him the players number and the ref will say he didn't interfere. I've seen the still from the moment the kick was taken. Hard to tell if he's off from that angle. Looks like Hall at the far side may just be playing him on.

Frustrating but no complaints from me. Ripley should have done better with the 1st. Position was fine, he wasn't lobbed, it went straight so his position was irrelevant. If anything the further out he was the lower the ball would be as it goes past him.

Then the 2nd is shocking from Debrah. I've never rated him. Non league player.

Looks like Cook is a yard off to me. Clearly the linesman thought the same but then decided to not give offside. It's an odd call whichever way you look at it.

Difficult to tell about the elbow from the other view. The arm was nowhere near the guys face though and apparently Alexander teams try that fake elbow thing on quite a lot.

 

[valefan16]

It’s typical of our luck at the moment with decisions, it’s not a red, he holds him off and the lads made a meal of it, doesn’t change the result or likely outcome but is a huge loss with the current injuries and where we could use Sang to cover midfield. Next three games are going to be very tough with the amount of players missing.

Not sure if they do it a lot but first half one of the players was rolling around after Hall threw him off him and didn’t even touch his head looking at it on TV.

 

[jacobncfc]

It’s a bit harsh I’d say but never clear enough that it’s going to get overturned.

 

[RavenBish]

Do quite like the idea that football governing bodies have vendettas, they’re obviously just aimlessly incompetent and all clubs will repeatedly fall on the wrong side of stuff…but then, if I worked at the EFL and could do stuff out of irrational dislikes for certain clubs with no repercussions then would I? Yes.

 

[クレイグ]

Oooof. This vendetta thing might be true. There's half a team offside here. Bloody ell fire.

 

[Dan Phillips]

Mike Dean got it absolutely bob on when he was on that Soccer Saturday effort the other week.

It wasn't excessive force, therefore, a red card can't even be considered.

Same thing happened in the Chelsea game recently. Carragher crying for a red card and it wasn't given as Caicedo didn't use excessive force. Wouldn't have been given in the Prem, that's a fact.

As for the offside, just fucking lol at this point. Getting beyond a joke.

Can we actually stop being so negative and shit FFS? Then these instances wouldn't be catastrophically bad decisions because we wouldn't be relying on them to salvage anything from games. Jesus.

 

[mozzavale]

Oooof. This vendetta thing might be true. There's half a team offside here. Bloody ell fire.

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This is where I'm not 100% sure. That angle isn't conclusive. I think if anything it backs up my earlier theory. I think the liner may raise his flag as a few players are offside, but if you look at Cook, it's really close. Looks like Hall at the back of our 3 that's furthest back.

If the ref asks the liner, was the goalscorer off, and he's not convinced that he is, he gives the goal.

Close calls I'm fine with, sometimes home teams just get decisions like that, but the Bromley one was blatant.

 

[leedsvaliant]

This is where I'm not 100% sure. That angle isn't conclusive. I think if anything it backs up my earlier theory. I think the liner may raise his flag as a few players are offside, but if you look at Cook, it's really close. Looks like Hall at the back of our 3 that's furthest back.

If the ref asks the liner, was the goalscorer off, and he's not convinced that he is, he gives the goal.

Close calls I'm fine with, sometimes home teams just get decisions like that, but the Bromley one was blatant.

For me, if there's any doubt then the liner should stick with his original decision. In that way, everyone just carries on with the game. Nothing more is said about it.

What they've actually done is allowed a game winning goal. To me, it's clearly offside. It's not even close.

Everyone saying this shit evens itself out is talking bollocks. I'm guessing we've already lost out on probably 9-12 points this season alone. We'll no doubt get another letter. The letter shelf will need a room of its own soon.

At this point, officials are taking the piss. Perhaps they didn't like the fact that one of our drunken idiots tried to get at a ref last season. It's the only thing I can think of to understand the clear bias against us.

 

[WilsdenBantam]

Sorry guys but not having some FA vendetta against Vake, but decisions that went in our favour could have gone the other way but it was nothing scandalous. We’ve had far worse against us, including against Salford when the ball nearly hit the back of the net and wasn’t given. We’ve also had our fair share of apologies, I bet most clubs have it just depends if you have a manager who pisses and moans about it in the press. They’re just terrible officials who usually guess, there’s nothing else to it, unless the FA really hate Robbie Williams in which case can’t blame them.

 

[Bottega Don]

Didn't Carlisle have a goal chalked off for absolutely nothing against Port Vale like two games ago?

 

[GTFCfish]

Here you go, off the mk forum, Lester will love this essay

Despite us being utterly woeful, I thought they were brilliant. By far the best team to come to StadMK this season. Their movement and passing was tearing us apart and it looked easy for them. Our players should be embarrassed about how the Notts players made them look.

They had a game plan and the quality of their players made it work. We looked like an average L2 team and didn't have the answers to the threats they posed.

They were superb until the final third. Should've been 6.

They were very good. We just couldn't get out for the vast majority of the first half.

I don't think we have ever been dominated as much that in L2 in Le Stad

Congratulations!!

 

[GTFCfish]

Everyone saying this shit evens itself out is talking bollocks. I'm guessing we've already lost out on probably 9-12 points this season alone.

Ok so the Bromley one cost you 2 extra points and that Bradford one cost you 1 point but the Carlisle game you gained 1 point back so that’s currently 2 points you’re down on, so please let us all know where the other 7-10 points were that you have also been robbed of?

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

You really don't need to let us all know. Everybody knows it (roughly) balances itself out over a 46 game season.

Vendetta by the FL they don't give a shit about L2 clubs.

 

[mozzavale]

Didn't Carlisle have a goal chalked off for absolutely nothing against Port Vale like two games ago?

No, it was a foul.

 

[Scum.]

Congratulations!!
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[valefan16]

As I’ve said before I doubt there is a vendetta especially over an incident a year ago considering most of the players and manager are different.

Can understand the frustrations though, we’ve had three really bad decisions go against us in 6 weeks with the Gillingham, Bromley decisions and Sang sending off Boxing Day so that will highlight the marginal ones, especially where we have no explanation to the decision to why the Linesman flagged and why that wasn’t followed.

Even if Cook is onside which it doesn’t look like he is on that still, the two or three that are off would surely be affecting play as well are defending against those offside players with the ball coming in.

That said if we are winning does it get highlighted so much? Probably not and as bad of a decision it is, Jesse Debrah does a standard piece of defending from a set play and the conversation isn’t there to be had.

We are certainly having a spell of really bad decisions go against us with three fairly blatant ones in recent weeks but hopefully we will get a spell go for us in the second half of the season.

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

Exactly, you are bound to have a period where decisions go your way they just won't get mentioned much, they very rarely do.