Carlisle v Hartlepool (last day)

[hellogregory]

Really hope none of the Bob Marley stuff goes ahead.

And if blacking up counts as "PC bullshite" these days then take a look at yourself.

I agree, I don't think it's appropriate, but I don't like the hypocrisy of this either, considering Sol Campbell is involved with Kick It Out. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...te-to-encourage-minority-voters-10179979.html

 

[Glasshalffullpools]

Reading it, it is just referring to the blacking up, Hartlepool fans can still wear dreadlock wigs, red, gold and green beanie hats and smoke oversized spliffs if they want to, though looking at their forum it seems that the majority of them have gone off the whole idea anyway.

if by forum you mean the bunker, then yes the same half dozen or so are against it, but they are also against a lot of things. The other forum ITB has been taken off for a few hours while the Admin has a rest, in the main we are all for it, I may have pushed the boundaries a little by paraphrasing a joke on BBC comedy W1 which poked fun at people willing to be shocked to easy, I won't repeat it

 

[BigDaveCUFC]

Nobody suggested that dressing as Bob Marley was racist though, and Keith Curle said he didn't see it as racist either. The whole PC brigade thing is a myth used by a small minority to see how far they can push it, you don't need to black up to dress as Bob Marley and you certainly don't need to wave bananas and gollywogs around, as was being suggested by some fans, they just claim the PC brigade are preventing them from dressing up, or calling a blackboard a blackboard to try and make it seem acceptable for them to do what they want to do, which is drag us all back into the seventies.

See I have to disagree because all this last 24 hours has done by highlighting it all has turned a non racist thing into a racist thing.

 

[Pliny Harris]

Dreadlock wigs etc are embarrassing enough. I know dreadlocks are much more than a Rastafarian thing, but it's toe-curling to dress as a religious stereotype. I know he's a pop star first but it's still crude and it's a relief if they're probably gonna brainstorm summat else. It's trivial especially when considering blackface though. The fact a lot of people online don't seem to recognise why blackfacing is offensive properly drives home how behind attitudes are in football compared to almost everywhere else.

The Sol Campbell thing seems to be brought up now as if it's at all relevant. I'm indifferent to the ad campaign. But dammit we're adults, do people really struggle to see the difference in context between Sol Campbell whiting up and all the historical baggage involved in blacking up?

 

[Glasshalffullpools]

Can we separate black facing from self tanning , cos at worst people were going to tan themselves , not make themselves into a Black and White Minstrel , if applying fake tan to yourself is racist then millions of women are, how about sunbathing to get a dark skin, is that racist?

 

[hellogregory]

do people really struggle to see the difference in context between Sol Campbell whiting up and all the historical baggage involved in blacking up?

You're obviously unaware of the historical baggage involved in whiting up.

 

[Pliny Harris]

Can we separate black facing from self tanning , cos at worst people were going to tan themselves , not make themselves into a Black and White Minstrel , if applying fake tan to yourself is racist then millions of women are, how about sunbathing to get a dark skin, is that racist?

Are you deliberately ignoring the difference between natural tanning/fake tanning for aesthetic purposes, and applying tan to look like black/brown people as a novelty?

You're obviously unaware of the historical baggage involved in whiting up.

Go on...

 

[hellogregory]

Go on...

Late in May back in 99, a group of youths whitened up their faces to take the piss out of a white kid for being white.

Whiting up is not something that should be taken lightly. Excuse the pun.

 

[Glasshalffullpools]

Some people use fake tan as a one off for an event or a night out, not Racist. ..to use fake tan to pull off Bob Marley impression not Racist . Accusing someone of being a racist when clearly they are not is bang out of order. How about that film , White men can't jump , was that a racist title , if it was I never took offence

 

[cufc17]

All this carry-on over the fancy dress, bit ridiculous really. Looking at the Pools Forum - The Bunker - the other day, it seemed the majority were against 'blacking up'. Doubt too many would've went 'all out' with the fancy dress anyway, so this is a bit unnecessary in my opinion.

 

[Pliny Harris]

Some people use fake tan as a one off for an event or a night out, not Racist. ..to use fake tan to pull off Bob Marley impression not Racist . Accusing someone of being a racist when clearly they are not is bang out of order. How about that film , White men can't jump , was that a racist title , if it was I never took offence

Cool, tell us when you want to address the point in my post.

Late in May back in 99, a group of youths whitened up their faces to take the piss out of a white kid for being white.

Whiting up is not something that should be taken lightly. Excuse the pun.

Not sure if you're even being serious, but you're using a single unsourced incident as a response to decades of blackface on broadway, popular culture where white people dressed up as freed slaves, "dandified coons" and "uncle Toms", and the Black & White Minstrel Show being in the living memory of many. If whiteface is so bad, then why are you fierce to defend blackface?

 

[shoddycollins]

Not sure if you're even being serious

99% sure he isn't.

 

[Steven Simcock]

Kick it out need to stop causing trouble, they love kicking up a fuss of anything they don't like. If someone abuses a couloured person then i'm against it but moaning about people dressing up as a popular black singer is stupid. Robert Downey Jr. did it in Tropic Thunder in 2008 and didn't see em kicking up a stink then.

Micheal Jackson made himself white and they didn't say anything about him.

 

[hellogregory]

. If whiteface is so bad, then why are you fierce to defend blackface?

When have I defended blackface? I'm against it, I don't like "blacking up" or "whiting up". Why is that so hard to accept?

 

[Glasshalffullpools]

When have I defended blackface? I'm against it, I don't like "blacking up" or "whiting up". Why is that so hard to accept?

just an example of how the PC brigade jump all over something, you wrote something he read something else

 

[Pliny Harris]

When have I defended blackface? I'm against it, I don't like "blacking up" or "whiting up". Why is that so hard to accept?

I just don't see evidence that whiting up is as crass as blacking up.

just an example of how the PC brigade jump all over something, you wrote something he read something else

Would be narrowing in on a pertinent point if you hadn't misread my original post. And if a "PC brigade" existed.

 

[Aaron-Bcfc]

Nothing wrong with it in my opinion, as long as it's done with the right intentions of course. Someone dressed/blacked up as Chris Kamara not that long ago. There was outroar from a few people on Twitter (both black and white) but Kammy himself praised the costume, defended the bloke wearing it and said he couldn't understand why people would take offence.

 

[hellogregory]

I just don't see evidence that whiting up is as crass as blacking up.

It's exactly the same imo.

 

[daviejones]

It's exactly the same imo.

I'd have to agree with Pliny Harris here. Obviously prima facie it looks like the two are similairly offensive (or not offensive depending on your general view on the matter) but if you take into account any sort of historical context then it should be obvious that 'blacking up' is representative of something much more serious than 'whiting up'.

The Sol Campbell thing can't even be compared to this 'blacking up' issue. I don't like the guy but it's clear that he's addressing something slightly more significant than an end-of-season dress up. Again, I think saying otherwise - and in turn placing an attempt to increase black representation in football on the same level as a Bob Marley dress-up - is just belittling what is obviously something which deserves slightly more attention.

 

[northstandexile]

A genuine question, if the black and white minstrel show returned with real Afro-American male singers would it be acceptable, as the dancing and singing in them shows were great.

 

[Glasshalffullpools]

Entertainment has moved on. The Black and White Minstrel show, irrespective of its participants , is of its time and wouldn't cut it these daY's, back then tv variety replicated theater variety which even then was a fading memory

 

[RJM]

how many you taking to Carlisle? think you'll be alright personally.

Tranmere are in free fall!

my old man will be happy if you lot stay up..big monkey hanger!

 

[Glasshalffullpools]

We've sold 1902 seats and you've sent us 500 behind the goal terrace tickets, sales of those will rocket if the game is crucial. I've been to Bruton Park , now to me that terrace looks like it can hols me than 500, unless you have some daft safety certificate like we do at Pools

 

[cufc17]

Yeah Glasshalffullpools, I think it holds 1600-odd. Perhaps you'll be given more if you sell out the extra 500, which you probably will do if you fail to win today.

Silly on our behalf not to give you the tickets until Monday as I assume you'd have sold a few extra today.

 

[shoddycollins]

Silly on our behalf not to give you the tickets until Monday as I assume you'd have sold a few extra today.

It seems most clubs at this level are tinpot when it comes to ticketing.

 

[Glasshalffullpools]

I'm puzzled at why only 500, might as well send us the lot , surely printing can't cost that much

 

[shoddycollins]

I'm puzzled at why only 500, might as well send us the lot , surely printing can't cost that much

can only assume the police have placed a limit.

 

[Pooliepride]

At least we can all have a big party now!!

 

[shoddycollins]

it'll be immense

 

[hellogregory]

Well im not looking forward to it as much now. Since we got safe I was hoping Hartlepool would have something to play for to make it interesting.

Now we're both safe it's going to be nothing more than an end of season kick about. Hartlepool can't catch us so it's not as if we even have league positions to play for.