Championship Team Of The Season

[Aaron-Bcfc]

Not sure why Murray has got in ahead of Abraham but there we go.

 

[joethegill]

Maybe cause Murray has fired his team to a likely Premier League place, whilst Abraham has fired City to a smidge above Burton?

 

[Aaron-Bcfc]

Maybe cause Murray has fired his team to a likely Premier League place, whilst Abraham has fired City to a smidge above Burton?

Fuck all to do with it. Abraham has scored more in less game time in a wank side with 0 penalties to Murray's 3, I don't give a fuck how the team he plays for has done. Tammy would've bagged a lot more at Brighton and Murray would've bagged a lot less here.

 

[JJH]

Maybe cause Murray has fired his team to a likely Premier League place, whilst Abraham has fired City to a smidge above Burton?

Why the fuck is that relevant? If anything it shows that Abraham's goal tally is more impressive given he's playing for shit side. What a stupid thing to say.

 

[joethegill]

You might not like what I said, but that's the reason Murray is in the team of the year and Abraham isn't. I never said it was my opinion, merely that that's generally how these things work.

 

[JJH]

You might not like what I said, but that's the reason Murray is in the team of the year and Abraham isn't. I never said it was my opinion, merely that that's generally how these things work.

It's still illogical and a load of nonsense.

 

[joethegill]

I'm not disagreeing, but that's the way of things.

 

[markwwfc1992]

Lol Scott Malone, another kid, like Sam Winall who we released on a free transfer. You could make a starting 11 out of kids we have released in this league and it would make a better team than we currently have.

 

[TomPNE94]

Malone over Greg Cunningham is amusing.

 

[G.B]

They can minimise it to an extent but let's be right, the amount of shots a keeper has to save is predominantly down to the defence and team in front of them. You don't hear people say oh we struggled to create chances because the keeper was so good. Struggled to take them maybe.

And it's not even about the odd worldy or making loads of saves every game, it's more consistency, minimizing mistakes, proportion of shots that are saved. It's the old cliche that a top keeper will have nothing to do all game but when called upon will make the stop more times than not. Though I'll give you that the label 'good shot-stopper' can often be lazily applied to someone who just makes the odd standout save, especially in threads like this where it's often based on one or two games against your team, so I can see where you're coming from to that extent

As for the bottom bit, you really don't, not regularly. In fact I'd say the opposite, you tend to see more spectacular strikes or long range punts in the lower leagues, it's noticable on the few occasions I don't turn over after watching the championship highlights you see far more 'highlight reel' goals once you get to L2, because for whatever reason, positioning, concentration, keepers aren't as effective at keeping them out. You very rarely see a top goalie getting beaten from long range, and if you do it takes something special.





My main point really though is just because it's the basics, shot-stopping being what is expected of a keeper, doesn't mean they all display it to the same standard. The bolded is said a lot but that's what it implies. It's not just about making the odd worldy either, it's more consistency. Saving a higher proportion of shots faced, minimising mistakes, positioning, not susceptible to being beaten say at your near post or from free kicks, agility to get up and make a double or triple save etc. It's all required but some are noticably better in those departments than others, that can't even be up for dispute.

I'm not saying there aren't other attributes that are all part of the package but ability to repel efforts on target (running out of ways to say that) is the big distinguishing factor. All keepers save shots but not all are *good* shot-stoppers the way not all strikers are *good* goalscorers. The very very best will have the whole package, but an excellent attempt denier who's alright at claiming crosses will do better than someone who commands his box but is only average at thwarting chances. Given might be seen as a good example of that, not in the very top echelon but still a good keeper relatively with a long and successful PL and international career based on what you're saying from purely shot-stopping ability.

It's quite a pedantic point really, not sure why I'm spending so much time over it. And like you I'm not talking specifics I haven't seen enough of Smithies or other games this season to really judge, although QPR fans who have watched him regularly all highly rate him.

cba to reply to that MASSIF POST so have a like for effort instead mate

 

[Ciderhead]

Fair