Clubs in this league in size order

[FiRTHYY]

You've only has about 5 seasons in the second tier... We've had over 40.

Bigger ground, more trophies (all be it by 1) and higher all time average attendances.

Good little site this is:
http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn.htm

Although keep Firthy away from some of those Bradford attendances in the early 80s. Shows some fluctuations that have happened over time... We were getting over 20,000 at this level in the 50s!

Everyone had particularly lower attendances in the 80's, not to mention the fire in 85 and subsequent ground moves.

 

[SkyBlueElephant]

Weird how you can write something and people read the opposite. Coventry have potential, they also have the biggest obstacle in the way of fulfilling that potential, their current owners and the ground. That puts them behind a lot of what would be 'smaller' clubs on the face of it. Can it be turned around, of course, Portsmouth are in recovery phase from a similar disaster. Perhaps best summed up as Health rating is an important part of club size.

Would be good to get a Coventry fans input on this, just how precarious a position Coventry are in at the moment.

As for Ancient History, Bury won things over 100 years ago, not relevant to today is it.

I can't see us dropping any further, as it stands at the moment I can see us being a yo yo L1/championship club in the future. We're still big enough with our attendances that we can be competitive at the top of league one but with the stadium situation we will struggle to compete financially with clubs in the championship.

Only way that will change is with a change of ownership with people who will invest mega bucks or if we fluked a promotion out of the championship.

Historically only Sheffield Utd are bigger than us in this division

I think what you are getting at is in terms of potential to grow an go on to better things, then you can put Bradford ahead of and maybe even Wigan but I still wouldn't say more further than that.

 

[Hooped Wizard]

A disgrace that were going down and Fleetwood are staying up.

Burton players saying how excited they were to visit big clubs at the start of the season like Coventry and Donny (these were the 2 clubs they named) shows we are massive.

Surely the FL should intervene?

 

[PUSBCCFC]

Our potential is huge. We are a one club city of nearly 350,000 in a county with no other football league club. Realistically we have a potential catchment area of 500,000 from Warwickshire.

The problem, as stated above, is our owners. Leicester have just won the Premier League thanks to owners who have pumped in money, and used that money well. Leicester for me are the same sized club as us, at least they were until last year. Similar sized city, identical sized grounds, not too dissimilar history, but look where they are now.

Our crowds are very respectable considering the sheer lack of success. Our crowds doubled after a few wins earlier in the season. I'm sure we would get over 25,000 for the final few games had we been going for promotion.

 

[UTS]

Coventrys crowds are hardly respectable for a so called 'big' club. You get about 8-9k home fans. There are numerous L2 clubs who get more than that.

 

[JJH]

Coventrys crowds are hardly respectable for a so called 'big' club. You get about 8-9k home fans. There are numerous L2 clubs who get more than that.

By numerous, you mean one, yes?

 

[Sheffsteel]

It all depends whether you factor in "potential" when deciding size of a club. I agree Coventry have great potential but gates of under 10K is poor in league 1 no matter what. Bradford are only significant because they also have big city potential. At least Cov have had numerous years in the 70's and 80's in the top flight which is better then us.

My uncle from Plymouth always used to go on about Argyle being a big club. He said if PA were in the PL they would need a 40,000 stadium to meet demand due to having 2 counties and I'm sure he said 1 million population on their doorstep.

Cardiff and Bristol City are considered big due to "potential" but it's a false factor really. When a team plays in the PL many neutrals and glory hunters turn up, hence why Cardiff look silly, increased their stadium to 33K to meet PL demand but now get 15K gates in the CC.

Sheff United have just had their 3rd worse season in their 126 year history and we've still averaged almost 20,000. Although we have a great history spending about 60 seasons in the top flight, much of our glory days were before the war. Since the war we have massively underperformed.

I'm totally depressed and don't want to be in this league anymore. The novelty has well and truely worn off.

 

[UTS]

By numerous, you mean one, yes?

Oxford, Plymouth, Bristol Rovers, Luton and Portsmouth would all get more than 8-9k home fans in L1

 

[JJH]

Oxford, Plymouth, Bristol Rovers, Luton and Portsmouth would all get more than 8-9k home fans in L1

Rovers haven't averaged more than 8k in L1 since the turn of the Millenium, I very much doubt they will.

 

[UTS]

Rovers haven't averaged more than 8k in L1 since the turn of the Millenium, I very much doubt they will.

Well they have achieved back to back promotions so momentum and all that..

 

[Sheffsteel]

In fairness to Coventry their club was virtually destroyed meaning many fans turned their back on the club with various boycotts etc.

The problem is that attending matches can become an habit. Once supporters stop going it's so difficult to persuade them back.

However 1 other club that has almost been destroyed is Portsmouth and to their credit they still get 15,000 home fans in league 2.

 

[PUSBCCFC]

Oxford, Plymouth, Bristol Rovers, Luton and Portsmouth would all get more than 8-9k home fans in L1

We have averaged 12,570 this season, 4000 more than Luton, Plymouth and Bristol Rovers.

For a club that has literally nothing to shout about in many supporters lifetimes, that is good. Anyone under 25 has had nothing but a JPT semi-final to shout about and that is taking away all the issues with moving ground, administrations, transfer embargos etc.

Portsmouth have had loads to shout about in recent times, it is no surprise that they have averaged 4000 more than us this season.

 

[PUSBCCFC]

Rovers haven't averaged more than 8k in L1 since the turn of the Millenium, I very much doubt they will.

Averaged 8096 this season.

 

[JJH]

Averaged 8096 this season.

Did they? Fair enough. They sold out the last few home games. First time this millenium then.

 

[UTS]

We have averaged 12,570 this season, 4000 more than Luton, Plymouth and Bristol Rovers.

For a club that has literally nothing to shout about in many supporters lifetimes, that is good. Anyone under 25 has had nothing but a JPT semi-final to shout about and that is taking away all the issues with moving ground, administrations, transfer embargos etc.

Portsmouth have had loads to shout about in recent times, it is no surprise that they have averaged 4000 more than us this season.

Yeah but that's including away fans, take off the 1,000 average away and your left with 11k home fans. Really not overly impressive. And I don't buy this myth you've had nothing to shout about either.. You've spent many years in the PL and Championship, many clubs in this league would snap your hand off for that. 11k home fans I say again, numerous L2 clubs and a lot of L1 clubs could achieve that. Nothing special. If Coventry got back to the Championship I'd say you'd be one of the smaller clubs, probably pulling in gates of 14,500.

 

[PUSBCCFC]

Yeah but that's including away fans, take off the 1,000 average away and your left with 11k home fans. Really not overly impressive. And I don't buy this myth you've had nothing to shout about either.. You've spent many years in the PL and Championship, many clubs in this league would snap your hand off for that. 11k home fans I say again, numerous L2 clubs and a lot of L1 clubs could achieve that. Nothing special. If Coventry got back to the Championship I'd say you'd be one of the smaller clubs, probably pulling in gates of 14,500.

How is it a myth? The Premier League years were 15 years ago. That means realistically if you are under 25 you haven't seen anything to shout about. All other clubs in cities similar to us like Derby, Leicester, Southampton, and Portsmouth have had loads to attract fans in recent times. Sheffield United have had loads of cup runs which gets people back in the ground.

In terms of if we were to play in the Championship, we would average about 16-17,000 like we did a few years back. Probably higher if you took into account potential 25k+ crowds against the bigger clubs. That would put us up there with clubs like Birmingham, Cardiff and Hull. Teams who have been able to attract fans in recent times.

 

[PUSBCCFC]

Did they? Fair enough. They sold out the last few home games. First time this millenium then.

Which should be the case considering their season. Be interesting to see their crowds next season.

 

[UTS]

How is it a myth? The Premier League years were 15 years ago. That means realistically if you are under 25 you haven't seen anything to shout about. All other clubs in cities similar to us like Derby, Leicester, Southampton, and Portsmouth have had loads to attract fans in recent times. Sheffield United have had loads of cup runs which gets people back in the ground.

In terms of if we were to play in the Championship, we would average about 16-17,000 like we did a few years back. Probably higher if you took into account potential 25k+ crowds against the bigger clubs. That would put us up there with clubs like Birmingham, Cardiff and Hull. Teams who have been able to attract fans in recent times.

Don't buy it sorry.

 

[FiRTHYY]

Don't buy it sorry.

You're clearly on a wind up.

Coventry have proven that a decent run of results, or a meaningful fixture brings a few fans outta the woodwork.

They would comfortably average 17,000+ in the Champ. A promotion campaign in L1 would see them average 15,000+, with some 20,000+ attendances.

Jeez, even we managed 21,000 on Sunday.....but that's obviously because we sell ST's for £5.61.

 

[Craig]

Yeah, but Bradford let folk in for free.

 

[OUFC Dan]

Would it be fair to say us and Bristol will slot in just behind the scum? I really don't know much about this kind of thing

How low will Northampton be?

 

[JJH]

Would it be fair to say us and Bristol will slot in just behind the scum? I really don't know much about this kind of thing

How low will Northampton be?

Very little to split Swindon & Rovers. Both have very similar history and gates past and present, possibly just swayed towards Swindon for the fact they won a league cup and have had a year in the top flight but there's really very little in it.

 

[The Alex]

Don't buy it sorry.

Stop talking shit mate

 

[UTS]

Stop talking shit mate

Not really talking shit just don't beleive these Coventry delusions of grandeur, since I started watching football Cov have always struggled in the championship and finally got relegated to L1 and now get 10k home fans in a 1/3 full ground. Hardly screms massive club does it.

 

[TomPNE94]

Not really talking shit just don't beleive these Coventry delusions of grandeur, since I started watching football Cov have always struggled in the championship and finally got relegated to L1 and now get 10k home fans in a 1/3 full ground. Hardly screms massive club does it.

Would it be better if they had 10k fans in a 12k ground? They got 30,000 home fans for a JPT area final, only Sheff Utd could have done that and I doubt even they would. Coventry's fans are so deprived of success (30 odd years without a top 6 finish in any league now) that even a sniff of it brings them all out. If they were pushing for promotion this year they'd have averaged over 15k I'm sure of it. They're a big club in League One without a doubt. It obviously helps with the catchment area but even so.

 

[UTS]

I'm not disputing they are a big club for league 1 it's this whole 'sleeping giant' shit I don't agree with. No top 6 finishes in 30 years but 15 of those spent in the PL.. So hardly gonna be that bad is it.

 

[TomPNE94]

I'm not disputing they are a big club for league 1 it's this whole 'sleeping giant' shit I don't agree with. No top 6 finishes in 30 years but 15 of those spent in the PL.. So hardly gonna be that bad is it.

Maybe not for the older generation but anyone around our age has seen nothing but utter shite

 

[UTS]

Maybe not for the older generation but anyone around our age has seen nothing but utter shite

Wouldn't class tier 2 and PL as utter shite but hey ho.

 

[TomPNE94]

Wouldn't class tier 2 and PL as utter shite but hey ho.

Not been in the PL since 2001 so anyone under 23-24 is unlikely to remember very much if any of that.
Since then they have been relegated (twice if you include the PL relegation) and finished in the top half twice. Plus only been past the 4th round of either cup competition twice too. Hardly thrilling stuff is it?

 

[UTS]

Not been in the PL since 2001 so anyone under 23-24 is unlikely to remember very much if any of that.
Since then they have been relegated (twice if you include the PL relegation) and finished in the top half twice. Plus only been past the 4th round of either cup competition twice too. Hardly thrilling stuff is it?

So they are really unsuccessful and get poor gates and they are somehow a big club?