Coronavirus

[SteveD12]

Do people think next season will be played as normally? And if not why?

 

[Jerry]

I remember quite a few of your fans congratulating us for staying up, and vice versa, even though both sides were safe prior to that final game of the 92/3 season. Always enjoyed going back there.

Yeah I still have a Gills scarf knocking about somewhere from that day

 

[LongEatonPie]

Do people think next season will be played as normally? And if not why?

It's a bad example but the US won't allow events where more than 100 will attend until they either have a cure or a vaccine. That's looking like mid to late 2021.
I don't imagine it will come to that but if the government does this how they should no one should be attending any event, crowd wise, until this time next year at the earliest.

 

[Stocky]

It's a bad example but the US won't allow events where more than 100 will attend until they either have a cure or a vaccine. That's looking like mid to late 2021.
I don't imagine it will come to that but if the government does this how they should no one should be attending any event, crowd wise, until this time next year at the earliest.

This was Jacksonville beach yesterday in Florida after a slight ease in restrictions as I think (could be wrong) that a lot of the measures are now up to each individal state over there and its State governors.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1251275996113833988

Humans, we are all selfish, we're not going to spend 3-5% of our short time on earth staying inside for something that kills such a small percentage of us. Especially if we think we're going to be ok (young, no known health conditions etc)

Please understand when I say this, I do understand why we are doing what we are doing.

But it's not going to last a year because the people will simply not allow it. I'm not going as far to say people will create anarchy but the people will decide in the end, not the governments.

 

[Soup Ladle]

I really wouldn't follow any example set by the US

 

[Stocky]

I really wouldn't follow any example set by the US

There will be pictures like all over Britain in the coming weeks, mark my words.

In fact, there already has been.

I've noticed roads have been busier the last few days whilst out jogging/walking etc.

We have many things in common with "the land of the free". More than we would care to admit. Not good at being told what to do is one.

 

[Super_horns]

Well people are getting itchy feet about the lockdown being around for long as it is.

They will expect/hope for a gradual relaxing of the rules.

 

[Indian Dan]

Some bloke James Corden was interviewing on his US show reckons Greece should be leading the world response to the virus!

From 9pm this evening til 9pm Monday there is absolutely no traffic allowed anywhere in Greece. Now that’s a lockdown!

 

[rudebwoyben]

There will be pictures like all over Britain in the coming weeks, mark my words.

In fact, there already has been.

I've noticed roads have been busier the last few days whilst out jogging/walking etc.

We have many things in common with "the land of the free". More than we would care to admit. Not good at being told what to do is one.

Exceptionalist rubbish.
Moreover, a current YouGov poll shows overwhelming support for the current measures to continue.

 

[Stocky]

Exceptionalist rubbish.
Moreover, a current YouGov poll shows overwhelming support for the current measures to continue.

YouGov poll?

Seriously?

You can't be real.

Come back to me in a couple weeks.

 

[Optipez]

Exceptionalist rubbish.
Moreover, a current YouGov poll shows overwhelming support for the current measures to continue.

That's a poll about now. Give it a month when furloughs turn to lay offs, mortgage holidays turn into mortgage arrears and no cure is in sight until Christmas and the numbers will change, especially when the press start comparing us to Sweden and Holland with intact economies and similar mortalities.
By the end of May we'll all be back to work whether it's safe or not. At that point people will ask why they can't go for a pint and watch a game of football, visit family if they have to go to work.
I suspect Stocky will prove to be right.

 

[Optipez]

Just had a re-read of my own post from just a week ago. Nothing has materially changed, we're still in lockdown, the football authorities seem no closer to a decision on this season and yet the talk from governments across the world is now about coming out of lockdown, China, Austria, Germany already are, Sweden, South Korea and Japan never did fully lock down.
As the costs mount and the reality of the enormity of the government's undertakings sink in it looks like things will be shifting back to normality within a month. Maybe not mass gatherings yet but probably by September after all.

 

[rudebwoyben]

YouGov poll?

Seriously?

You can't be real.

Come back to me in a couple weeks.

What is wrong with the methodology of a YouGov poll? Please explain.

 

[rudebwoyben]

That's a poll about now. Give it a month when furloughs turn to lay offs, mortgage holidays turn into mortgage arrears and no cure is in sight until Christmas and the numbers will change, especially when the press start comparing us to Sweden and Holland with intact economies and similar mortalities.
By the end of May we'll all be back to work whether it's safe or not. At that point people will ask why they can't go for a pint and watch a game of football, visit family if they have to go to work.
I suspect Stocky will prove to be right.

I don’t think so, and your subsequent post contradicts this one.

 

[Chief Rocka]

China welded the doors shut behind it's people, say no more, Austria and Germany traced and tested and it shows, the Japanese authorities don't have the legal authority to lock down, it's not in their constitution and prefer public obedience, South Korea are the standout nation when it comes to tackling this pandemic, whereas we hosted a mass gathering of 60,000 people on day one at Cheltenham in mid March, it's like comparing apples with dog shit.

Sweden's laissez faire approach is seeing them furlongs ahead of their scandi neighbours in deaths and cases, talking about the coming weeks will be interesting to see how that pans out, could be visionaries or culpable for needless death of thousands.

 

[Camborne Gills]

What is wrong with the methodology of a YouGov poll? Please explain.

In the same way as turkeys voting for Christmas you mean. Of course a government sponsored poll is going to say this, but it is as bent as a 6 bob note, or the Eurovision voting process

 

[rudebwoyben]

In the same way as turkeys voting for Christmas you mean. Of course a government sponsored poll is going to say this, but it is as bent as a 6 bob note, or the Eurovision voting process

It’s not a government sponsored poll though.

 

[HG Yellow&Black]

That's a poll about now. Give it a month when furloughs turn to lay offs, mortgage holidays turn into mortgage arrears and no cure is in sight until Christmas and the numbers will change, especially when the press start comparing us to Sweden and Holland with intact economies and similar mortalities.
By the end of May we'll all be back to work whether it's safe or not. At that point people will ask why they can't go for a pint and watch a game of football, visit family if they have to go to work.
I suspect Stocky will prove to be right.

But there in lays the naïvety of our human view.....shown with football somehow happening anytime before next year (the bs of the EPL playing on TV doesn't count, it's always been a glorified TV focused soap opera for men).
Nature kicks our butts and all this wanky talk, that sounds a bit like the idiocy of trump and co, that business (or football for that matter) will take priority is laughable.....when it returns in waves due to people going all faux civil liberties....let's see what that does for the economy eh?!

Mass transmission of this illness will start again. People will be dieing to the tune of 500k plus in the UK alone and we will be back to square one.

And don't forget the folk you and any other right wing encouraged nuts put at risk are those putting their ass on the line....the hospital porter on basic wage. The young nurse with a family having to use a foodbank. The shop worker on a zero hours contract. Not fat boy Boris and his multi millionaire mates.

All fine being the big man at home get twitchy but don't be a twat like Boris eh.


The examples you use are wrong. Sweden are furiously back tracking and the Netherlands size and health provision (they haven't had a decade of shameless Tory cuts) are more capable of getting through this.

Maybe some of the more easily led, the ones no doubt applauding of a Thursday the same service they voted to trash for the last few elections, might realise the nation will be defined by its ability to respond.
The strength of is public funding.
The ability of its leader.
The ability for its public not to go all bird brained trump and ignore the obvious impact of a highly transmittable virus being left to spread cos you get twitchy feet and want to go and watch a game of football.

Maybe next pandemic don't vote Tory and austerity, then we all would have been a Germany not a tinpot, scaled down version of Trumpland.

 

[Camborne Gills]

500K? Suddenly become a leading authority have we? Fucks sake

And it's dying btw.

 

[Camborne Gills]

It’s not a government sponsored poll though.

Well i haven't seen this poll, and neither i suspect have 99.99999999999999% of this country, but i reckon the 'result' doesn't bear any relation to what people actually think

Perhaps you and HG should get a room and keep your downcast opinions to yourselves. If i want a daily dose of misery, i'll tune in to the BBC.

 

[Optipez]

But there in lays the naïvety of our human view.....shown with football somehow happening anytime before next year (the bs of the EPL playing on TV doesn't count, it's always been a glorified TV focused soap opera for men).
Nature kicks our butts and all this wanky talk, that sounds a bit like the idiocy of trump and co, that business (or football for that matter) will take priority is laughable.....when it returns in waves due to people going all faux civil liberties....let's see what that does for the economy eh?!

Mass transmission of this illness will start again. People will be dieing to the tune of 500k plus in the UK alone and we will be back to square one.

And don't forget the folk you and any other right wing encouraged nuts put at risk are those putting their ass on the line....the hospital porter on basic wage. The young nurse with a family having to use a foodbank. The shop worker on a zero hours contract. Not fat boy Boris and his multi millionaire mates.

All fine being the big man at home get twitchy but don't be a twat like Boris eh.


The examples you use are wrong. Sweden are furiously back tracking and the Netherlands size and health provision (they haven't had a decade of shameless Tory cuts) are more capable of getting through this.

Maybe some of the more easily led, the ones no doubt applauding of a Thursday the same service they voted to trash for the last few elections, might realise the nation will be defined by its ability to respond.
The strength of is public funding.
The ability of its leader.
The ability for its public not to go all bird brained trump and ignore the obvious impact of a highly transmittable virus being left to spread cos you get twitchy feet and want to go and watch a game of football.

Maybe next pandemic don't vote Tory and austerity, then we all would have been a Germany not a tinpot, scaled down version of Trumpland.

That just turned into a political rant. I can get a belly full of that on Notts Mad.
Countries are opening up out of necessity and we will do the same, it's being talked about already and the talk will increase as new cases and hospital admissions decrease. Maybe not the leisure industry but schools, construction and some shops will open within weeks, that's the states aim. Lockdown was only to ensure the NHS could cope with the volume.
I didn't talk about what I want, just remarked on how the conversation is changing only one week on.

 

[#Beebot]

I think we'll see some slight relaxation of lockdown after the next 3 weeks. Impossible to predict but I don't buy the claim that we'll have no football until 2021. The EPL and EFL think they'll be back in the summer and I don't think that's necessarily wishful thinking on their part.

This article sets out some of the proposals.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/amphtml/alexwickham/coronavirus-uk-lockdown-three-stage-exit-plan

 

[Super_horns]

There will be some middle ground.

Caution and people might have to adapt but also there is a sense of having to ensure the economy doesn't crash and jobs lost.

 

[HG Yellow&Black]

500K? Suddenly become a leading authority have we? Fucks sake

And it's dying btw.

What a twonk you are

Naïve and backward of thinking

Some simple arithmetic for you

With care home deaths included we are at circa 20000 deaths

Allowing for a liberal level of 800,000 infections (tho officially it's at 115,000, tho who the feck knows thanks to the incompetence of getting folk tested), that's a fatality rate of 2.5%

2.5% of our population rate is somewhat more than 500,000 but hey what do I know

And thanks ever so for the typo alert.
Muppet

 

[HG Yellow&Black]

Well i haven't seen this poll, and neither i suspect have 99.99999999999999% of this country, but i reckon the 'result' doesn't bear any relation to what people actually think

Perhaps you and HG should get a room and keep your downcast opinions to yourselves. If i want a daily dose of misery, i'll tune in to the BBC.

It's reasoning like this that makes the nation the special place with the special 'leader' we now have

If Camborne Gills hasn't seen it or read it, it can't be true. Bit hard when he is locked in fluffy lala land with the pixies, elves and some of the Tory cabinet.

 

[Camborne Gills]

The point is you halfwit, you clear

What a twonk you are

Naïve and backward of thinking

Some simple arithmetic for you

With care home deaths included we are at circa 20000 deaths

Allowing for a liberal level of 800,000 infections (tho officially it's at 115,000, tho who the feck knows thanks to the incompetence of getting folk tested), that's a fatality rate of 2.5%

2.5% of our population rate is somewhat more than 500,000 but hey what do I know

And thanks ever so for the typo alert.
Muppet

The point is you halfwit, you quite clearly are not a government scientist, so therefore you can only be speculating at best (or worst in this case).

Fwiw, as of yesterday, the were just 360 confirmed cases and just over 50 deaths here in Cornwall, which obviously doesn't factor care homes. But by the official figures that still represents slightly less than 0.07 of the population. Whereas in some parts of the country the figure is nearer 0.4.

Yes we aren't as densely populated as other parts of the country, but i believe we have a higher than average number of er 'retirees' than elsewhere in return.

i am neither a twonk or a muppet, Professor Hawking.

 

[HG Yellow&Black]

Cheers Camborne. Amazing.
Fatality rates unfortunately are not calculated from total population of an area or country but from those who have contracted it. Let's just leave that there and you get back to grammar policing.

 

[Stocky]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1251417319731052546

Some more evidence behind the fact that this will always be dictated to by public mood, and the media play a massive part. Watching the news at 6, they're practically rubbing their hands in glee when reporting on deaths. The media are bacteria that thrive off bad news and panic. This is perfect for them. Piers Morgan bragging that the morning breakfast show he presents has had more viewers than ever. Obviously. Nobody is going to work and people are hard coded to think they need to see this news. It's nothing but a grief fest. People die and suffer all the time, Of course watching an elderley Coronavirus victim in her final moments is going to be a harrowing experience. The news the other day sticking a camera in her face, asking how she feels about having the virus. There was no way she was of lucid mind to make her own decision to let these reporters and cameras in. Her own family won't even have been allowed to visit her either. Rant over on that one.

Everybody is ranting about these people on the Florida beach I linked yesterday, saying how thick they are. I get it. But I think I'd rather be walking along a open air beach in a hot, humid Floridian climate, occasionaly getting within a couple of metres of people than walking around a supermarket touching all sorts of produce that have probably been touched tens or hundreds of times before you've picked it up.

Someone will tell me that shopping is necessary, walking on a beach isn't. That takes me back to my original point, lets see what the people decide is necessary as this carries on. People have to fight wars for freedom, in a couple of weeks people will realise all they have to do is step outside their own front doors for theirs.

 

[Camborne Gills]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1251417319731052546

Some more evidence behind the fact that this will always be dictated to by public mood, and the media play a massive part. Watching the news at 6, they're practically rubbing their hands in glee when reporting on deaths. The media are bacteria that thrive off bad news and panic. This is perfect for them. Piers Morgan bragging that the morning breakfast show he presents has had more viewers than ever. Obviously. Nobody is going to work and people are hard coded to think they need to see this news. It's nothing but a grief fest. People die and suffer all the time, Of course watching an elderley Coronavirus victim in her final moments is going to be a harrowing experience. The news the other day sticking a camera in her face, asking how she feels about having the virus. There was no way she was of lucid mind to make her own decision to let these reporters and cameras in. Her own family won't even have been allowed to visit her either. Rant over on that one.

Everybody is ranting about these people on the Florida beach I linked yesterday, saying how thick they are. I get it. But I think I'd rather be walking along a open air beach in a hot, humid Floridian climate, occasionaly getting within a couple of metres of people than walking around a supermarket touching all sorts of produce that have probably been touched tens or hundreds of times before you've picked it up.

Someone will tell me that shopping is necessary, walking on a beach isn't. That takes me back to my original point, lets see what the people decide is necessary as this carries on. People have to fight wars for freedom, in a couple of weeks people will realise all they have to do is step outside their own front doors for theirs.

Pretty sure Boris didn't want to go as far as he did with the pubs/clubs etc. i think you are right in saying this may be media driven, certainly judging by the 'input' from the BBC, who seem to be thriving on it.

I also think this country has gone soft. too much reliance on H&S, and the milennials and snowflakes seem to lap it up.

 

[HG Yellow&Black]

And your last sentence confirms my thoughts about who and what you are.

There's some like minded maga minds across the Atlantic needing more folk like Camborne. Have dropped a form in at the bottom for you and fellow 'thinkers' to drop your name onto given your laughable last sentence.

Yeah it's all a big over reaction. The majority of the world have it wrong and you zaney neo right wingers have it spot on.

Btw it shows how pitifully informed you are if you are using Bozo Johnson's initial dealing with pubs as some a bellwether as not wanting to shut down.....he didn't issue a compulsory notice on pubs and restaurants as it would have meant his rich chums in the insurance industry having to pay out on disruption of trade policies. He didn't want to shut down due to ignoring scientific advice and being wholly incompetent in missing five cobra meetings, thinking we could sup up hundreds of thousands of deaths with limited disruption. Now we are left with his abject failings. Flip. Flop. Just a shame the irony of his stupidity didn't cost him more personally given the level of suffering yet again him and his ilk have put people into.

Good luck with you going all herd immunity and remember to fill your forms in. Best try and forget those poor souls paid a pittance, those snow flakes, those millennials working in the NHS who are dieing helping others from a pandemic that is not really a pandemic in your simpleton minds.