England vs Scotland - World Cup Qualification - 11/11/16

[Dirk]

OK, thanks for explaining that to me. Now it's clear why he reacted in this manner and I have to blame my english for that. But I've learned something today and the day is saved (although it's a sad rememberance day in Germany today(not because of Donald Trump btw))

 

[SALTIRE]

I read it often that the british (or here better english) supporters don't give a shit anymore about their team (at least at 1FF.net). Always high hopes due to good qualifying rounds but the team nearly always let them down during the tournament.
The England vs Scotland match is one with a big tradition although not much notice is taken in the rest of Europe about this fixture. I wouldn't say that we don't give a shit about it but it's nothing special for us.
But at least the UK footy fans should take an interest in it

The rivalry isn't what it was mainly down to not playing each other for ages till recently, and us being far far worse than a poor England side too. I also think (though I could be wrong on this ) that the youth of today in England just don't have a feeling one way or the other on our rivalry and history and it deflates the whole thing anyway imo. We in Scotland still want to beat England above all others - and this one really matters too for qualification - but we have nothing else to look forward to these days so it's one of the few things left we have to cling on to; and also to the despondency when we inevitably get gubbed.

 

[SALTIRE]

You should have put "Fuck off JimJams you irritable c***".

I must remember that in future.

 

[Dirk]

and us being far far worse than a poor England side too.

....and that's maybe the reason why here in Germany nobody is especially interested in it.
Anyway, I'll keep my fingers crossed nonetheless for at least a draw for Scotland

 

[St. Juste]

Just a few days to go and only a few posts on here.
This is the sort of fixture that would have created some excitement in years gone by but I think international football is pretty much dead now

Meh, not much to say really. We are not currently doing very well, neither are England, and the fixture has two bald men fighting over a comb written all over it.

Delighted if we win, or draw for that matter, but don't view it as particularly likely. I'd compare it to a Scottish side playing the Old Firm, even if they are bad they still seem to have some kind of psychological advantage - as if they just don't believe they'll win. It was the same with Wales at the Euros.The current England side is at one of the lowest points in their history, but I'm still sure the current Scotland side will take the Iceland view that absolutely we can beat them.

Hope I'm proved wrong.

The England vs Scotland match is one with a big tradition although not much notice is taken in the rest of Europe about this fixture. I wouldn't say that we don't give a shit about it but it's nothing special for us.
But at least the UK footy fans should take an interest in it

Can't really expect people to take much interest in it. Certainly the oldest international fixture of all time (and most played maybe) but you can fully understand why rivalries between actually good sides like Brazil vs. Argentina or Germany vs. Netherlands would be more watched.

Pretty much the same when you play the Netherlands I guess. Do you hate the Dutch as much as they hate you?
I like all the home nations and when they play other games I always want them to do well but when it's England there's irrational hatred from the home nations. I work in Scotland with (obviously) Scots, the Welsh and the Northern Irish and I've never seen anything like it when England are on, they fucking hate us.

I'm not sure hate is the really appropriate word - from a footballing perspective yes but we all peacefully coexist and I doubt particularly cares that you're English.

I've said before the rivalry is certainly historical and political but, by far the biggest factor in it, is that in no other nations are you subject to your rivals broadcast of their own games. Are England bizarrely arrogant when discussing their national team? Well, obviously, most nations probably are (Scotland being an exception) but it's not as Brazilians are forced to watch Argentinian broadcast of games, or the Dutch forced to watch Germany.

No, it's pretty unique that Welsh, Irish and Scottish viewers are subject to constant rankling (and occasionally hilarious) discussion about England when watching football on TV. Unsurprisingly, the post match bit after they have lost is TV gold, but everything else is nauseating,

 

[Stevencc]

We haven't been good for fucking ages let alone arrogant.

Two bald men fighting over a comb, like you said.

 

[St. Juste]

We haven't been good for fucking ages let alone arrogant.

Two bald men fighting over a comb, like you said.

Whether the fans are or not is up for debate.

But as for the media it's no contest, just look at posing the question if Joe Hart should be dropped for the QF even though you were down at half time in the second round (which you then lost).

The sheer contempt displayed towards Iceland was obvious throughout, again at half time they seethed "surely we will beat Iceland"

As I said, to a certain extent most countries will do something similar, but it won't be broadcast to their rivals.

 

[Stevencc]

Ah - I thought you were referring to the fans.

The way the British media covers the English national side is almost always shockingly bad, yeah, and that's whether it's being negative or positive.

 

[johnnytodd]

Whether the fans are or not is up for debate.

But as for the media it's no contest, just look at posing the question if Joe Hart should be dropped for the QF even though you were down at half time in the second round (which you then lost).

The sheer contempt displayed towards Iceland was obvious throughout, again at half time they seethed "surely we will beat Iceland"

As I said, to a certain extent most countries will do something similar, but it won't be broadcast to their rivals.

no different to the shite we have to put him round here with Liverpool supposedly going to win every competition they enter

 

[johnnytodd]

Whether the fans are or not is up for debate.

But as for the media it's no contest, just look at posing the question if Joe Hart should be dropped for the QF even though you were down at half time in the second round (which you then lost).

The sheer contempt displayed towards Iceland was obvious throughout, again at half time they seethed "surely we will beat Iceland"

As I said, to a certain extent most countries will do something similar, but it won't be broadcast to their rivals.

Most match going people i know red and blue dont care about the national team..........but i fully understand how it must look from your side........be happy in the knowledge we are as embarrassed as you are sick of it

 

[AnimoEtFide]

The England-Scotland rivalry used to be quite intense. But I think we quite like Scotland now that they've given us Andy Murray.

 

[johnnytodd]

The England-Scotland rivalry used to be quite intense. But I think we quite like Scotland now that they've given us Andy Murray.

Yeah i think most of the world consider him English nowadays tbf

 

[Luke_1884]

I'm not sure hate is the really appropriate word - from a footballing perspective yes but we all peacefully coexist and I doubt particularly cares that you're English.

I think it goes past football, you can relate it to most sports too. There's real camaraderie between yourselves, the Welsh and Irish. You don't get that with us. Anything but England.

 

[St. Juste]

Ah - I thought you were referring to the fans.

The way the British media covers the English national side is almost always shockingly bad, yeah, and that's whether it's being negative or positive.

True, they quickly and undeservedly build players up only to tear them down again.

There are no average English young players, just wonderkids like Ravel Morrison, Jack Rodwell and Alex Oxlade Chamberlain.

no different to the shite we have to put him round here with Liverpool supposedly going to win every competition they enter

At least not every football game is broadcast from a Liverpool perspective.

Print media, yes probably (we actually have different, and somehow worse, newspapers in Scotland).

Yeah i think most of the world consider him English nowadays tbf

Some people make the transition very easily - Tony Blair and Michael Gove the obvious examples - but Andy Murray is far too stereotypically Scottish to ever pass as English, no matter how long he lives there. SAF and Gordon Brown couldn't escape it either.

Not liking the English football team and openly supporting independence don't do his cause much good either. Still despised by a rather embarrassing minority.

I think it goes past football, you can relate it to most sports too. There's real camaraderie between yourselves, the Welsh and Irish. You don't get that with us. Anything but England.

I think this is a rather out of date viewpoint, I think most people in Scotland lost any affinity with Wales when Bale dived to win a penalty against us fairly recently. Similarly, with regards to the Irish there has been recent animosity with regards to stealing players (McGeady and McCarthy for example). It doesn't come anywhere close to the historical rivalry with England but I think Scottish fans are more likely to support the opposition than any of the home nations currently. And at least part of that will be jealously they reached the last Euros and we didn't.

 

[Cheese & Biscuits]

I was at Wembley for the play-off match in 1999 (17 years, where does the time go?) when they beat us 0-1. I was only 15 but I remember it being a fierce atmosphere.

Not sure why I felt the need to type that but there you go.

Laboured 2-0 win tonight.

 

[JimJams]

Not sure why I felt the need to type that but there you go.

Well I think if you'd have just said it none of us would have heard.

 

[spireite]

England to win to nil at evens is the bet here I think

 

[johnnytodd]

If the pissed up jocks cause trouble i think Salty should be banned for a month.

 

[Skinner]

Seen a fair few of them walking around in their skirts today, twats.

 

[St. Juste]

The kilt is an excellent garment, often appropriated by English people at weddings.

No need to be jealous, it's great.

 

[Cheese & Biscuits]

Well I think if you'd have just said it none of us would have heard.

Fair point.

 

[Skinner]

The kilt is an excellent garment, often appropriated by English people at weddings.

No need to be jealous, it's great.

Name it what you want, a skirt is a skirt.

 

[JimJams]

...often appropriated by English people at weddings.

Does the word 'often' mean 'rarely' in Scotland?

 

[St. Juste]

Name it what you want, a skirt is a skirt.

Well, the kilt predates the skirt, and the tunic predates the kilt.

So it's a tunic.

Does the word 'often' mean 'rarely' in Scotland.

Only cheapos go for Tuxedos.

Which, ironically, would be mostly Scottish people.

Wearing a kilt abroad is tremendous, what is the English equivalent? Morris dancing outfits?

 

[johnnytodd]

Well, the kilt predates the skirt, and the tunic predates the kilt.

So it's a tunic.



Only cheapos go for Tuxedos.

Which, ironically, would be mostly Scottish people.

Wearing a kilt abroad is tremendous, what is the English equivalent? Morris dancing outfits?

chain mail

 

[SALTIRE]

If the pissed up jocks cause trouble i think Salty should be banned for a month.

We're a good natured bunch unlike you lot.

 

[SALTIRE]

Name it what you want, a skirt is a skirt.

Shows your ignorance, women love a man in a kilt and it makes pulling one a lot easier.

 

[SALTIRE]

chain mail

Yeah seeing fat bastards wander around in chain mail is a great look.

 

[johnnytodd]

Shows your ignorance, women love a man in a kilt and it makes pulling one a lot easier.

SEXIST - BAN PLEASE MODS

 

[Luke_1884]

I think this is a rather out of date viewpoint, I think most people in Scotland lost any affinity with Wales when Bale dived to win a penalty against us fairly recently. Similarly, with regards to the Irish there has been recent animosity with regards to stealing players (McGeady and McCarthy for example). It doesn't come anywhere close to the historical rivalry with England but I think Scottish fans are more likely to support the opposition than any of the home nations currently. And at least part of that will be jealously they reached the last Euros and we didn't.

When you say most people in Scotland, that'll be most football fans in Scotland. I imagine the vast majority of non-footballing fans up here are even aware of the Bale incident or even know who McGeady and Mccarthy are.
It might just be the work environment I'm in but there's no animosity towards each other when it's Scots/Welsh/Northern Irish. When it's England they all band together forming some sort of celtic brigade to revel in our defeat.

I don't really mind, makes it more interesting for sure and means there's plenty more riding on the game.