Frank Lampard the next Derby County manager?

[QPR_Matt]

Great news for England/English football.

We need our ex players to get into management and stop with the easy route of punditry - we have enough of those already.

Well done to Derby & Rangers for taking gambles

I do agree with this. We do need young English managers to get breaks. I know he has a name etc but from what I have heard he took his badges really seriously and has been trying to learn on the job etc.

I find it more interesting to see what style of play he has. You see fans saying that such and such is too old and not in line with the current game.

 

[Luke_1884]

Wonder what the odds on John Terry signing up are

As expected! Can definitely see him appearing.

 

[Gassy]

I do agree with this. We do need young English managers to get breaks. I know he has a name etc but from what I have heard he took his badges really seriously and has been trying to learn on the job etc.

I find it more interesting to see what style of play he has. You see fans saying that such and such is too old and not in line with the current game.

Exactly. For what it's worth, I actually think we have a wealth of excellent managers in the EFL but unfortunately they won't ever get a break unless they some how get promoted to the Prem (like Eddie Howe). Prem clubs just seem to bring in foreign managers as does now a lot of the Championship

 

[Bartonyellow]

I think this is a great appointment - and well done to derby for not going for the usual list of well trodden has been dinosaurs.
I really hope he is a success and is given the time by the fans and the board
Well done Mel Morris

 

[villa loyal]

I can see it possibly working out well. Young,fresh, and can see him being progressive. He seems to have a bit about him too. Derby are favourites to sign Terry

 

[tiltontrev]

A cracking appointment, if they had the finances to get Terry on board for a season I think they’d have massive appeal to any potential signings/loans.

Fair play to the Derby board for opting against the dinosaur merry-go-round

 

[Jockney]

Maybe it's just me, but employing an ex-England player who's only just got his A-Licence (actually, does he even have it yet?), whose only real coaching experience is sitting in on some of Jody Morris's youth sessions, doesn't seem like a particularly progressive move. Why not just go for Morris? Essentially just rewarding bored millionaires. Giggs and Keane got pelters for being able to waltz into a good job with fuck all behind them, so why does Lampard get a free pass?

 

[Luke_1884]

Giggs and Keane got pelters for being able to waltz into a good job with fuck all behind them, so why does Lampard get a free pass?

Because he's not a c***.

I think everybody knows the risks with an appointment like this but he's got to start somewhere. What sort of managerial experience did Harris have before taking the reigns? (Genuinely don't know). He seems to be doing alright.

Paul Clement had all the coaching experience you could ask for, the badges, the clubs, top end players, trophies and was fucking dire in the end so I'm kind of past caring what they bring with them. Nigel Pearson should have been a good fit - another one that wasn't.

Happy for him to be given a chance, I don't expect anything other than a mid table season so let's see how he gets on.

 

[Jockney]

Because he's not a c***.

Well, he is a Tory...

I think everybody knows the risks with an appointment like this but he's got to start somewhere. What sort of managerial experience did Harris have before taking the reigns? (Genuinely don't know). He seems to be doing alright.

He has got to start somewhere. Ideally working his way up, taking on more responsibilities as and when he's proved he can handle his initial ones. Lampard could do well, but for me that isn't even the point -- we complain about not bringing young English managers through, but then we ignore our trained and talented coaches in favour of big name punts. I'm no fan of meritocracies, but this isn't even meritocratic anymore it's virtually feudal.

Harris spent years doing his coaching badges, started doing some coaching work for Southend while a player there and then was hired by Millwall as a youth coach in 2013. He later became u21s coach, where he was very successful. After Holloway was sacked, he trialled the manager's role as caretaker in March 2015 (officially appointed in June).

Probably worth noting that he had an earlier caretaker stint in early 2014, alongside Scott Fitzgerald, after Lomas and his team were sacked, and looked out of his depth. I remember Neil saying last year that that brief caretaker stint was a real eye-opener for him and showed how lacking in experience he was having to deal not just with the coaching side, but the board, the fans, and the media, as well as keeping the dressing room united. I wonder if Frank is prepared for how much work you have to put in as a manager. I'm sure he's under no illusions, but it's one thing being aware of the responsibilities and putting them into practice at a club the size of Derby County.

 

[Luke_1884]

He has got to start somewhere. Ideally working his way up, taking on more responsibilities as and when he's proved he can handle his initial ones. Lampard could do well, but for me that isn't even the point -- we complain about not bringing young English managers through, but then we ignore our trained and talented coaches in favour of big name punts. I'm no fan of meritocracies, but this isn't even meritocratic anymore it's virtually feudal.

Harris spent years doing his coaching badges, started doing some coaching work for Southend while a player there and then was hired by Millwall as a youth coach in 2013. He later became u21s coach, where he was very successful. After Holloway was sacked, he trialled the manager's role as caretaker in March 2015 (officially appointed in June).

Probably worth noting that he had an earlier caretaker stint in early 2014, alongside Scott Fitzgerald, after Lomas and his team were sacked, and looked out of his depth. I remember Neil saying last year that that brief caretaker stint was a real eye-opener for him and showed how lacking in experience he was having to deal not just with the coaching side, but the board, the fans, and the media, as well as keeping the dressing room united. I wonder if Frank is prepared for how much work you have to put in as a manager. I'm sure he's under no illusions, but it's one thing being aware of the responsibilities and putting them into practice at a club the size of Derby County.

Understand the scepticism both on why he got the job and if he's good enough for sure.

A lot of appointments at the moment do seem to be coming from within clubs though. A big thing for us is that we don't have a current coach at the club that would be backed to take over. Especially a coach who is a club legend. Harris, Lee Johnson, Clough, Rowett etc all started out with their 'own' clubs. I've seen Collymoore have a pop at Lampards appointment today and compare it to Darren Moore at WBA, saying he wouldn't ever have been considered despite him doing all his badges, youth work etc. Would he realistically have been considered at WBA if he wasn't coaching with them and wasn't a club legend? I'm not so sure.

We've not been too bad over recent years though, it's not like we're looking for a glamorous appointment every time. As I said before, we've tried young and upcoming coaches out before and it's not worked out, I don't see too much harm trying Lamps out even if it is against our normal grain.

 

[mistermagic]

ah the old he played top level football so will be a great coach like Giggs, Gerrard and Shearer (remember him?) another over-rated ego that's walking into a decent level

must be a kick in the teeth for other managers

Deschamps and Zidane have done alright.

Why bother ? If you haven't worked that out by now then you should question your own level of intelligence matey. Perhaps if you removed your head from where the sun don't shine you would see the real world...........perhaps not.....

To be fair, the sun doesn't shine a lot in Scotland...

This appointment is exciting and makes much more sense than Gerrard at Rangers. Lampard is a clever and articulate man who is ready to tackle quite a big challenge. Say what you will about the dinosaurs but it's not that easy to get a side promoted to the Premiership.
I wish him the best of luck.

 

[SoutheySWFC]

The five loanee rule still counts, right?

 

[Nuttall]

People will often point to the lack of experience in cases like this. One thing people ought to remember is that ex pros such as Lampard have played under some fantastic managers and have their experience to draw from and probably call upon from time to time. I’m not saying it always works but how many players from that Cloughie Forest team went on to become managers? That’s not a coincidence. To add to that they’ll have the pull in terms of bringing players in because of who they are. It’s obviously been a risk but for me it’s no more of a risk that a Pardew type.

 

[glugger]

I see that side of the argument but on the other hand we've had 'experienced' managers previously who have had terrible spells here.
Just depends on the fit as always. Nigel Pearson should have been a good appointment; he ticked all the boxes of the questions currently surrounding Lampard's credentials for the job. Turned out to be horrific and was sacked accordingly.

In all honestly whilst I'm not convinced Lampard is 100% the man we need there's no reason why he can't succeed, managers have to start somewhere. In a division where Lee Johnson is doing alright, Neil Harris is a success, Clough and Rowett doing ok etc etc there's not loads to be worried about just yet.

that's an interesting opinion but do you think they will last ?

 

[Ramblins]

ah the old he played top level football so will be a great coach like Giggs, Gerrard and Shearer (remember him?) another over-rated ego that's walking into a decent level

must be a kick in the teeth for other managers

Ive read before that the best footballers don't often make good managers.

The theory being the skill comes so natural to them that they don't really know how they did it, whereas a less skilful player has to put more thought into his game this sowing the seeds for management.

Although I've also read that football management is 90% about man management and 10% about football.

Time will tell

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

He doesn't 'deserve' the appointment by any stretch of the imagination, but I'd rather see clubs take a chance on someone who might turn out to be brilliant than the same tired old faces they know for a fact won't be.

 

[Ciderup]

Can we assume that certain financial assurances were given? If FL has taken this job with knowledge of the financial constraints Derby are supposedly working under this coming season, all credit to him.
It's either going to be a masterstroke or a total disaster TBH.

 

[SoutheySWFC]

His 'In' at both Citeh and Chelsea will help their FFP issues, good young players on a relative pittance, though can only have five in a squad, not that i think they need 5.

 

[Gassy]

I think ultimately the reason he was chosen as well is because whilst I'd like to see more of the English coaches break through into management - if you're a player, who would you rather play for/learn from? A good coach or Frank Lampard? I'm sure agents are flooding him with their players right now

 

[SF_]

This appointment poses the same risks as gambling on a lower league manager, spending big on an experienced English one, or going abroad.

It's all about their character and whether they get on board with the club's strategy. Lampard doesn't seem to have an ego and in his interview he might have been the most willing to work with little in terms of transfer budget.

He might be shite, he might not but it would have been the same if they went for Mick McCarthy, Paul Hurst or Dean Smith.

 

[Leo]

To be fair, the sun doesn't shine a lot in Scotland...

Normally you'd be correct but that's 3 full weeks we've had up to this point......gotta end soon.

This appointment is exciting and makes much more sense than Gerrard at Rangers. Lampard is a clever and articulate man who is ready to tackle quite a big challenge.

Now this is a point I would willingly debate with you however I have discussed it (in a way) with sadsack, chewed his garbage up and spat it out and I really don't want to go down the road of taking a thread off topic (which it certainly would). However if you wish to continue you're more than welcome to go to the Scottish forum mate.

 

[Luke_1884]

Can we assume that certain financial assurances were given? If FL has taken this job with knowledge of the financial constraints Derby are supposedly working under this coming season, all credit to him.
It's either going to be a masterstroke or a total disaster TBH.

Indeed.

If we end up signing John Terry in any form I will be questioning whether we're putting up a bit of a smokescreen when it comes to how 'bad' our finances actually are though...

 

[SoutheySWFC]

Indeed.

If we end up signing John Terry in any form I will be questioning whether we're putting up a bit of a smokescreen when it comes to how 'bad' our finances actually are though...

Or it is the Rowett compo being used.

 

[Jockney]

Ive read before that the best footballers don't often make good managers.

The theory being the skill comes so natural to them that they don't really know how they did it, whereas a less skilful player has to put more thought into his game this sowing the seeds for management.

Although I've also read that football management is 90% about man management and 10% about football.

Time will tell

Pseudo-science much. No-one is born Ronaldo. The best players for the most part put more work into their game than anyone else on the planet.

 

[91SPP]

Can we assume that certain financial assurances were given? If FL has taken this job with knowledge of the financial constraints Derby are supposedly working under this coming season, all credit to him.
It's either going to be a masterstroke or a total disaster TBH.

I think a lot is being made of this, certainly in terms of us being 'skint'. The problem isn't the money, it's actually the regulations stating how much money we can spend.

I'm sure the remit will be the same for Lampard as it was for Rowett & to an extent Pearson. Both who had to sell to buy, unfortunately both increased the wage bill at the same time.

The budget at Derby will still be within the top six/seven in the division, but the cash flow isn't there without letting people go. We've got too many players on between 15-25k a week, get a few of them out of the door and it will ease cash flow issues.

FWIW, I don't expect us to sign Terry. I do, however, expect us to make at least two 7-figure signings.