Gerrard's Autobiography

[lordofthepies]

Where i live you can beat up for carrying a book never mind reading one.

That explains a lot, actually.

 

[Pagnell]

How was Jedward's book?

Hair raising.

 

[Christian Slater]

Where i live you can beat up for carrying a book never mind reading one.

What about reading the graffiti?

 

[Pagnell]

They're not supposed to be beautifully written, they're fast paced thrillers. The eye is on the details and moving on, not poignant metaphors. It's the story that's important. Joespeh Conrad has written beautiful novels but you could argue they're not as interesting as Brown's.

Good, fast paced thrillers and decent writing aren't mutually exclusive. In terms of authors there are plenty of examples who manage both. Dan Brown however, isn't amongst them.

 

[johnnytodd]

Funnily enough i re turfed the house where Rooney shagged that Granny and there was a book by Bill Bronson or something like that, it was about some yank who loved Yorkshire or somewhere up northern England, the new owners gave me it for finishing early, and it's the last book i ever read............about 5 or 10 years ago that as well.

Might go the library after, cheers lads.

 

[Christian Slater]

Good, fast paced thrillers and decent writing aren't mutually exclusive. In terms of authors there are plenty of examples who manage both. Dan Brown however, isn't amongst them.

According to people that have told you that. Face it, you're being snobby about something based on what other snobs have said. There's really nothing wrong with his writing, nothing bad enough for your castigation anyway.

 

[Pagnell]

Bill Bryson that will be. He's a fantastic writer by the way.

 

[johnnytodd]

Bill Bryson that will be. He's a fantastic writer by the way.

That was him really good read actually.

 

[Cheese & Biscuits]

My main issue with Dan Brown is the fact that his chapters are about a page long. His books are so 'bitty' and every chapter tries too hard to keep you hooked.

I really liked Digital Fortress and Deception Point back in the day. I'm not sure I'd like them quite as much now though.

 

[Christian Slater]

Many people dislike his books and that's fine. I just take issue with someone that hasn't even completed a Dan Brown book condemning his writing to that beneath a footballer's autobiography and on par with 50 Shades ( another book he hasn't read) based on what other people have said and no actual knowledge on what he's talking about.

 

[rudebwoyben]

Where i live you can beat up for carrying a book never mind reading one.

Couldn't you hit them over the head with the aforementioned book?

 

[Pagnell]

According to people that have told you that. Face it, you're being snobby about something based on what other snobs have said. There's really nothing wrong with his writing, nothing bad enough for your castigation anyway.

Nonsense. It's nothing to do with being a snob and everything to do with his writing being poor, and I've read enough of him to have formed that opinion myself. You don't agree and like him, I have no issue with that, although I'm unsure why you seem to have taken my view so personally.

Also, it seems you can only deal with others not agreeing with your assessment of Dan Brown by calling them snobs. A bit odd.

Many people dislike his books and that's fine. I just take issue with someone that hasn't even completed a Dan Brown book condemning his writing to that beneath a footballer's autobiography and on par with 50 Shades ( another book he hasn't read) based on what other people have said and no actual knowledge on what he's talking about.

Except that isn't the case, I've read enough to make a judgement of his writing, both books I read were badly written. Also, I made no mention of 50 Shades or compared him to a football autobiography. I simply disagreed with your initial assessment of him.

You need to take a step back and think about what you're posting. Claiming someone who has read a book and a half of someone's writing has to be taking their opinion of that writer from others is a bit silly.

 

[Christian Slater]

You mentioned 50 Shades before in line with Dan Brown novels as being material no better than footballer's autobiographies.

You don't know why and can't explain why you think they're poorly written, you just think they are because you don't like them. You haven't read a complete novel of Brown's and you've clearly got your opinion from other critiques from which you've formed your opinion and taken it as truth. You have no knowledge of what you're talking about.

 

[Pagnell]

You don't know why and can't explain why you think they're poorly written, you just think they are because you don't like them. You haven't read a complete novel of Brown's and you've clearly got your opinion from other critiques from which you've formed your opinion and taken it as truth. You have no knowledge of what you're talking about.

I've already told you why I don't like them, perhaps you need to re-read the thread. And I've also told you I read around 95% of the Da Vinci Code and most of Deception Point, and both were written in a very similar manner. Are his other books written differently? Regardless, I have read enough to have formed a valid opinion of his writing style and quality. Or does one need to read the last 40-50 pages of a 500 page book before an assessment of writing quality can be formed?

It's a little sad that you can only deal with this by pretending to yourself my view must have been given to me by others and I have no knowledge of what I'm talking about.

Anyway, Gerrard. The poor guy must wonder what's happened to his thread.

 

[Christian Slater]

I've already told you why I don't like them, perhaps you need to re-read the thread. And I've also told you I read around 95% of the Da Vinci Code and most of Deception Point, and both were written in a very similar manner. Are his other books written differently? Regardless, I have read enough to have formed a valid opinion of his writing style and quality. Or does one need to read the last 40-50 pages of a 500 page book before an assessment of writing quality can be formed?

It's a little sad that you can only deal with this by pretending to yourself my view must have been given to me by others and I have no knowledge of what I'm talking about.

You proved you formed your opinion of his writing from others by revealing you haven't finished one of his books and by providing a link to a critique by someone else to back up your point. That critique was on the novel 'Inferno' which you haven't read, so it's a fair criticism to make of you.

I have no problem with you disliking the book, but for you to claim it's poorly written when you can't explain why isn't exactly a good argument.

 

[Pagnell]

Except I have explained why, you just conveniently ignore it. And posting a link giving someone else's view doesn't equate to my own being formed by others or less valid. How many people post links to back their opinion up on this forum?

This is fucking painful, and for the others reading too i suspect. You like him. I don't. Let's leave it at that.

 

[Destruction]

I've logged onto mumsnet.

 

[G.B]

stahp

 

[Christian Slater]

Except I have explained why, you just conveniently ignore it. And posting a link giving someone else's view doesn't equate to my own being formed by others or less valid. How many people post links to back their opinion up on this forum?

This is fucking painful, and for the others reading too i suspect. You like him. I don't. Let's leave it at that.

To back up informed opinions yes, your opinions are not informed.

You said his pacing was off but couldn't elaborate why.

 

[Pagnell]

I've logged onto mumsnet.

At this moment in time, I'm tempted with RAWK. Like I said, fucking painful.

 

[Cheese & Biscuits]

This is fucking painful, and for the others reading too i suspect. You like him. I don't. Let's leave it at that.

How can we leave it at that? He hasn't explained why he likes him.

 

[Pagnell]

He's his dad.

 

[Christian Slater]

Someone told me he was good.

 

[Pagnell]

They were lying.

 

[Christian Slater]

Well, they were stupid enough to read 95% of his book and not finish it, you're probably right.

 

[mnb089mnb]

This is a great thread. More please. Don't stop now.

 

[Red]

Couldn't you hit them over the head with the aforementioned book?

The Beano isn't going to cause much damage though.

I've just wasted 3% of my phone battery on this thread.

 

[Stagat]

This is a great thread. More please. Don't stop now.

I think it's badly paced.

 

[Son of Cod]

I think it's badly paced.

Agreed. Plus nobody in real life is as wooden as that Pagnell character.

 

[Super_horns]

Looks like El Hadji Diouf has taken offensive to what Gerrard said and in turn Gerrard has had a pop at him.

Exactly the reason why the Mail wanted to run Gerrard's book - for good copy and headlines.