Have you that elusive legend

[Giorgio]

Seems sound whenever I've seen him interviewed. Fact remains however that Anelka is confirmed as sulky and Aldridge has a far superior scoring record.

People can be anything during a interview, but that is usually just a act.

 

[Son of Cod]

People can be anything during a interview, but that is usually just a act.

Okay. Aldridge still has a better record.

 

[Agombar stool]

People can be anything during a interview, but that is usually just a act.

Djorkaeff loved his time at Bolton any interview you see or article you read he speaks fondly off the Wanderers

People can be anything during a interview, but that is usually just a act.

Hmmmm

 

[SVH]

Dion Dublin

 

[Marked Ox]

I raise you - Julian Alsop

Banana-gate!

 

[AmberRich]

Dion Dublin

Wilf Mannion scored for England in a World Cup, how many people can say that?

 

[SF_]

Good shout
I take it thats a centre half in Wright a centre midfield in Houghton and Forward in Aldridge
Fernando Hierro Bruno Ngotty centre Half Youri Djorkaeff JJ Okotcha centre Midfield, and Nickolas Anelka Nat Lofthouse up front
Maybe have a rethink though Wright may get on the bench
Guess Oxford are not one of the five.

Can you count Hierro and Dorjkaeff when their best days were behind them when they joined Bolton?

 

[stevowanderer]

I think if this is a debate it has to be players that were at their peak at the time they were at said club. We had Peter Shilton for 1 game but he shouldn’t be anywhere near our best xi despite being one of the best gks to come out of this country. Djorkaeff was an amazing player but he wasn’t at his peak at Bolton. He was fantastic don’t get me wrong and may even get in our best XI despite the fact we never saw him at his absolute best. But you can’t say a World Cup winning Djorkaeff is better than a top flight Aldridge (as an example) in a club best XI or vice versa unless they were at your club when they were winning those titles or scoring those goals.

 

[stevowanderer]

Can you count Hierro and Dorjkaeff when their best days were behind them when they joined Bolton?

Exactly this... you can’t. Gary speed was phenomenal for us but was 35 plus. Not at his absolute best. Hierro was again fantastic for us but he wasn’t the Real Madrid Hierro. If it’s the biggest names to have ever played for your club... that’s a different argument to your best XI for me.

 

[stevowanderer]

Stelios won the euros with Greece whilst with us... not sure he gets in my best XI though but deserves an honourable mention at least. Some players that were at their peak for us ... Jussi (he really was an incredible gk but I know Eddie Hopkinson is our record appearance maker and played for England in the 50s), Nat Lofthouse (best goals to game ratio for England ever - that’s played more than a few games anyway), Ricardo Gardner (hugely underated but had injury issues). I loved Jay Jay but he went off the boil after a couple of seasons. Ivan Campo but does he make an all time best XI??? Not sure. So hard to say

 

[Son of Cod]

I think if this is a debate it has to be players that were at their peak at the time they were at said club. We had Peter Shilton for 1 game but he shouldn’t be anywhere near our best xi despite being one of the best gks to come out of this country. Djorkaeff was an amazing player but he wasn’t at his peak at Bolton. He was fantastic don’t get me wrong and may even get in our best XI despite the fact we never saw him at his absolute best. But you can’t say a World Cup winning Djorkaeff is better than a top flight Aldridge (as an example) in a club best XI or vice versa unless they were at your club when they were winning those titles or scoring those goals.

Surely whether or not they were the best in their position is what determines if they get into your XI? A player can be at their peak elsewhere but still have been the best you've seen at your club in their position.

 

[Boletus Edulis]

We had Stilton too, and for more than one game too as player manager.

 

[stevowanderer]

Surely whether or not they were the best in their position is what determines if they get into your XI? A player can be at their peak elsewhere but still have been the best you've seen at your club in their position.

That’s why I said Djorkaeff may still get in our best XI despite him not being at his best... what I was trying to say (maybe badly) was that we can’t just stick him in based on the player that won the World Cup etc. It has to be on the player’s performances for your club. Maybe I phrased it wrong by saying at the peak. But someone like hierro wasn’t at his peak at our club. He was still brilliant but the Real Madrid centre back Hierro is one of the greatest European centre backs certainly in recent memory. That doesn’t mean he should be in our best XI on that reputation. It should be on his performances for us.

 

[Son of Cod]

We had Stilton too, and for more than one game too as player manager.

Had matured very well by that stage of his career.

 

[Son of Cod]

That’s why I said Djorkaeff may still get in our best XI despite him not being at his best... what I was trying to say (maybe badly) was that we can’t just stick him in based on the player that won the World Cup etc. It has to be on the player’s performances for your club. Maybe I phrased it wrong by saying at the peak. But someone like hierro wasn’t at his peak at our club. He was still brilliant but the Real Madrid centre back Hierro is one of the greatest European centre backs certainly in recent memory. That doesn’t mean he should be in our best XI on that reputation. It should be on his performances for us.

Hierro was no Andy Todd anyway, in my opinion.

 

[SF_]

Also, in reply to the OP.

It was before my time but surely there are plenty of players in Ipswich's European Cup winning team in 1981?

Sulley Muntari won a Champions League and Two Serie A titles after leaving Pompey, Lassana Diarra won a La Liga title after leaving them too. Defoe only scored the 162 Premier League goals.

Forgot how good their team actually was.

 

[masi51]

Quite an interesting topic actually. I know we aren't in league 1 anymore but would be able to put forward Glenn Hoddle and Ossie Ardiles in for us. We also had 1990 World Cup finalist Nestor Lorenzo.

So is your thinking that if a club has a player that you deem worthy of getting into the Bolton 11 of all time then they are a bigger club that Bolton? George Best played for Stockport and Nuneaton Borough by the way, does that mean they are bigger clubs?

its a bit of fun on a grey day....go with the flow or ignore it
Ardilles i will give........Sorry Hoddle would not get in

 

[masi51]

Steve Bruce

not a hope

 

[SF_]

its a bit of fun on a grey day....go with the flow or ignore it
Ardilles i will give........Sorry Hoddle would not get in

Haha, you keep the forum busy at least

 

[masi51]

Of course everyone has their own factors to making up a dream team but I would probably have Aldridge over the Bolton pairing. That said I've not done a lot of research about Lofthouse, I know he's a legend in the game but would probably rather choose someone who played more recently. But that's just me.

Aldridge scored a lot of goals Didnt do much else...............Jardel has a goalscoring record that eclipses Aldridge but he would not get in

 

[masi51]

Haha, you keep the forum busy at least

You can have Finney and Beckham

 

[masi51]

Same as us . But we had Nigel Martyn ( Goalkeeper ) Alan Ball ( Midfield ) Larry LLoyd ( Centre Back ) Mick Channon ( Forward ) & Geoff Bradford ( Inside Forward ) who would probably get in.

None of those would get in not Even Bolton born World cup winner Ball

 

[masi51]

And to allow all of these creative types to flourish, I give you the colossus bestride the centre circle that is Didi Hamann. Accepted that by the time he pulled on the famous white shirt he rarely had the energy to get out of the centre circle, but it's also true that Youri Djorkaeff would be unlikely to describe his time at the Weebok as the pinnacle of his career.

Didi Hamann void, but he would not get in the third team

 

[masi51]

It doesn’t look like any Bolton players are getting in Bolton’s all time XI at this rate.

Cannot think of a Charlton player who would get in and that includes Simonson who they can have a case for

 

[SF_]

You can have Finney and Beckham

By your logic of Hierro, we can also have Bobby Charlton & Nobby Stiles. Unfortunately we're not eligible for this game though, I'm just a spectator.

Stanley Matthews for the Lashers.

 

[masi51]

Di Canio

Bloody hell, can any Bolton players get into an all time Charlton XI? That's the question.

By your logic of Hierro, we can also have Bobby Charlton & Nobby Stiles.

Stanley Matthews for the Lashers.

Charlton perhaps ........Styles no chance

 

[SF_]

Charlton perhaps ........Styles no chance

Haha, course, go on what Bolton players are getting in ahead of two of Man United and England's greatest ever midfielders?

Mark Lawrenson has won more than Bolton too.

 

[Marked Ox]

Aldridge scored a lot of goals Didnt do much else...............Jardel has a goalscoring record that eclipses Aldridge but he would not get in

I suggest you look at some of his highlights from over the years. He did far more than just score goals. Albeit, just scoring goals isn't a bad trait for a striker.

 

[Don Tonberry]

Also, in reply to the OP.

It was before my time but surely there are plenty of players in Ipswich's European Cup winning team in 1981?

Sulley Muntari won a Champions League and Two Serie A titles after leaving Pompey, Lassana Diarra won a La Liga title after leaving them too. Defoe only scored the 162 Premier League goals.

Forgot how good their team actually was.

Yup! We had David James, Glen Johnson, Sol Campbell, Sylvain Distin, Niko Kranjcar, Pedro Mendes and Kanu in that team too. I only mention it because today is the 13th anniversary of our F.A. Cup win.

Nowadays we've got our fans squinnying that we're letting Tom Naylor possibly go to Mansfield!

 

[Son of Cod]

Aldridge scored a lot of goals Didnt do much else...............Jardel has a goalscoring record that eclipses Aldridge but he would not get in

Aldridge scored 100 more in his career than Jardel who only played for Bolton 7 times. Therefore I'm afraid Aldridge is in, unless you can come up with better than Anelka, Jardel or Lofthouse.