Is Brendan Rogers position under threat ?

[SALTIRE]

Any fan that says he prefers his side played in the Europa League to the Champions League is lying to his/herself.

I never said that, you always want your club in the supposed elite competition; however for the neutral, once the knockout rounds come in, the EL is a more exciting competition than the CL.

 

[thespus]

Right, but your tangent doesn't seem to be focused as a neutral. It seems to resolve more around your jealousy of Arsenal and Manchester United, and denial that Liverpool aren't on the same playing field these days.

 

[SALTIRE]

What does this make Rodgers? Or are Liverpool a club with lower expectations than Arsenal?

Liverpool management would fire Rodgers on the spot if Wenger was available and interested.

Getting ahead of yourself Thesp, Wenger has twenty odd years on Rodgers, who knows what he'll do in by the time he's in his mid-Sixties, he may have a similar record.

Also being a bit presumptious on FSG firing Rodgers on the spot to get Wenger in as they are essentially the same type of manager anyway.

 

[thespus]

Getting ahead of yourself Thesp, Wenger has twenty odd years on Rodgers, who knows what he'll do in by the time he's in his mid-Sixties, he may have a similar record.

Also being a bit presumptious on FSG firing Rodgers on the spot to get Wenger in as they are essentially the same type of manager anyway.

The same type of manager? How shit are Liverpool players compared to the Arsenal ones then?

I imagine Rodgers wishes he were near as capable as Wenger in the transer market. Or are we still believing that the Transfer Comittee is the real problem at Liverpool and hindering Rodgers' obvious eye for a player.

Long live the belief that Brendan's one decent season in three was anything more than capitalising on momentum, Suarez, and the odd bit of fitness for Daniel Sturridge. Keep drinking that tea.

 

[Stevencc]

Saltire now reckons the Europa League is better than the Champions League. This is a very interesting development indeed. I wonder what caused him to form this opinion all of a sudden.

 

[SALTIRE]

Right, but your tangent doesn't seem to be focused as a neutral. It seems to resolve more around your jealousy of Arsenal and Manchester United, and denial that Liverpool aren't on the same playing field these days.

I don't deny when it comes to finances or pulling power, I've said it many times, Liverpool can't compete with those two clubs, so they have to find alternative ways to do so and are still behind in their plans to be more competitive. Thats not to say they can't, as shown by last season, given the right circumstances, they have in place foundations in order to make them more competitive domestically. I'm not saying they'll win countless leagues, but I think they can still aim for top four and the domestic cups again over the next few years and take it from there. I've never been jealous of Arsenal or Man Utd as clubs though, why would I be?

 

[SALTIRE]

The same type of manager? How shit are Liverpool players compared to the Arsenal ones then?

I imagine Rodgers wishes he were near as capable as Wenger in the transer market. Or are we still believing that the Transfer Comittee is the real problem at Liverpool and hindering Rodgers' obvious eye for a player.

They aren't far off Arsenal's level of players, with the exception of Sanchez (and until he went there, Ozil) and they can't attract that sort of player anyway. I admit Rodgers and co have done poorly overall in the transfer market, but to have remained (relatively this season) competitive has been remarkable imo.

And Wenger hasn't exaclty got a 100% hit rate in the transfer market either, for every Overmars, there's been an Arshavin, for every Henry there has been a Vela - no manager is infallible there, some work, some don't.

 

[merseyboyred]

Liverpool management would fire Rodgers on the spot if Wenger was available and interested.

They wouldn't.

 

[thespus]

I don't deny when it comes to finances or pulling power, I've said it many times, Liverpool can't compete with those two clubs, so they have to find alternative ways to do so and are still behind in their plans to be more competitive. Thats not to say they can't, as shown by last season, given the right circumstances, they have in place foundations in order to make them more competitive domestically. I'm not saying they'll win countless leagues, but I think they can still aim for top four and the domestic cups again over the next few years and take it from there. I've never been jealous of Arsenal or Man Utd as clubs though, why would I be?

Yes, the old "we were super competitive that one season (and only half if we're honest), but now we can't finish in the top four because our manager isn't truly supported in the transfer market while Wenger is spending recklessly. Obviously Rodgers can challenge, if every little detail works out for him."

Long may Brendan Rodgers walk among Scousers.

 

[SC49]

They aren't far off Arsenal's level of players, with the exception of Sanchez (and until he went there, Ozil) and they can't attract that sort of player anyway. I admit Rodgers and co have done poorly overall in the transfer market, but to have remained (relatively this season) competitive has been remarkable imo.

And Wenger hasn't exaclty got a 100% hit rate in the transfer market either, for every Overmars, there's been an Arshavin, for every Henry there has been a Vela - no manager is infallible there, some work, some don't.

LOL.

The same Carlos Vela that has 90 goals and assists in under 150 appearances for RS?

 

[thespus]

They aren't far off Arsenal's level of players, with the exception of Sanchez (and until he went there, Ozil) and they can't attract that sort of player anyway. I admit Rodgers and co have done poorly overall in the transfer market, but to have remained (relatively this season) competitive has been remarkable imo.

And Wenger hasn't exaclty got a 100% hit rate in the transfer market either, for every Overmars, there's been an Arshavin, for every Henry there has been a Vela - no manager is infallible there, some work, some don't.

So what is Liverpool's excuse then if Rodgers is Wenger's equal and the squads are of similar composition?

Show me a manager that has a 100% hit rate? You're clutching at straws now, mate.

 

[SALTIRE]

Saltire now reckons the Europa League is better than the Champions League. This is a very interesting development indeed. I wonder what caused him to form this opinion all of a sudden.

Trying to twist words again Steve, it doesn't become you mate!

LOL.

The same Carlos Vela that has 90 goals and assists in under 150 appearances for RS?

I like Vela a lot, so why didn't he work out at Arsenal then? Surely more than good enough...

 

[thespus]

They wouldn't.

You're walking in the same conjecture as me there. So you reckon Rodgers isn't leaving this summer? What happens when you don't finish in the CL spots next season and Sterling is gone?

 

[thespus]

Trying to twist words again Steve, it doesn't become you mate!



I like Vela a lot, so why didn't he work out at Arsenal then? Surely more than good enough...

We turned him for a large profit and used that money to buy a player that preferred us to Liverpool. It worked out much nicer than selling our best player. bama:

 

[SALTIRE]

Yes, the old "we were supper competitive that one season (and only half if we're honest), but now we can't finish in the top four because our manager isn't truly supported in the transfer market .

Liverpool have also been competitive this season, getting to two semi finals domestically and pushing for the top four for a while, whilst not being in the best shape and you are correct, not having the manager fully supported in the market. As I have said before, they are not far away from being a decent side competing for trophies regularly given the time, coaching and players.

 

[merseyboyred]

You're walking in the same conjecture as me there. So you reckon Rodgers isn't leaving this summer? What happens when you don't finish in the CL spots next season and Sterling is gone?

You're conjecturing beyond here. I'm solely only referring to your suggestion FSG would automatically appoint Wenger. They wouldn't, he'd want far too much control than what they'd be willing to offer.

 

[thespus]

What are they smoking over there at Anfield?

That one elongated winning run—which didn't result in a trophy and the ensuing CL campaign was more shit than any one of Wenger's near 20—amid perennial nonperformance seems to have really given them some weird confidence. You lot are in a worst position than any of the most negative years in the Wenger era, yet Rodgers is still the chosen one and FSG would prefer him to the proven Frenchman.

 

[SALTIRE]

You're walking in the same conjecture as me there. So you reckon Rodgers isn't leaving this summer? What happens when you don't finish in the CL spots next season and Sterling is gone?

Rodgers won't be axed in the summer, don't listen to too much TalkShite mate, you'll start believing what you hear. Sterling isn't now in the best place to bargain with Liverpool as his form has dropped off like a cliff; he should realise he'd prosper better short term (and see how it goes) at Liverpool. If not, and he does go, then they get a good load of money in and focus on coaching Ibe.

 

[thespus]

You're conjecturing beyond here. I'm solely only referring to your suggestion FSG would automatically appoint Wenger. They wouldn't, he'd want far too much control than what they'd be willing to offer.

*control they wouldn't offer to a manger who has failed to meet FSG's ultimate objective 2 of 3 seasons. You do make a good point, but what they've done for Rodgers isn't necessarily what they would do to land someone considerably more proven, and despite his age, still achieving more than Britain's next big manager.

 

[thespus]

Rodgers won't be axed in the summer, don't listen to too much TalkShite mate, you'll start believing what you hear. Sterling isn't now in the best place to bargain with Liverpool as his form has dropped off like a cliff; he should realise he'd prosper better short term (and see how it goes) at Liverpool. If not, and he does go, then they get a good load of money in and focus on coaching Ibe.

I hope Rodgers isn't axed this summer!

 

[SALTIRE]

We turned him for a large profit and used that money to buy a player that preferred us to Liverpool. It worked out much nicer than selling our best player. bama:

Again being presumptious, Liverpool's signings could yet come good, or are you one of those short term idiots who only thinks give them one season, and if they are shit move them on - yeah that would have worked with Ramsey.

 

[SALTIRE]

What are they smoking over there at Anfield?

That one elongated winning run—which didn't result in a trophy and the ensuing CL campaign was more shit than any one of Wenger's near 20—amid perennial nonperformance seems to have really given them some weird confidence. You lot are in a worst position than any of the most negative years in the Wenger era, yet Rodgers is still the chosen one and FSG would prefer him the proven Frenchman.

Proven at what latterly, being mediocre?

 

[SALTIRE]

*control they wouldn't offer to a manger who has failed to meet FSG's ultimate objective 2 of 3 seasons. You do make a good point, but what they've done for Rodgers isn't necessarily what they would do to land someone considerably more proven, and despite his age, still achieving more than Britain's next big manager.

Proportionally is he? I would say an FA Cup every now and again, not really challenging for the league and doing nothing in Europe is bogey standard at best for where Arsenal should be.

 

[merseyboyred]

Proportionally is he? I would say an FA Cup every now and again, not really challenging for the league and doing nothing in Europe is bogey standard at best for where Arsenal should be.

Arsenal are on par tbh.

 

[thespus]

Proportionally is he? I would say an FA Cup every now and again, not really challenging for the league and doing nothing in Europe is bogey standard at best for where Arsenal should be.

He's won more trophies, more points in the league, and fared better in Europe than Rodgers throughout his tenure as the manager of Liverpool football club. So, yes, comfortably.

"Where Arsenal should be" are the words of a man who knows his argument is as good as a table with no legs. It's much easier to use ad hominem as a distraction than it is to provide empirical evidence for Rodgers being Wenger's modern peer. You say the financial playing field isn't level (despite ignoring the data of transfer expenditures), but Wenger is the primary reason Arsenal are a more relevant club than Liverpool in present times. Liverpool would sell their souls for Rodgers to give them the 20 years Wenger has provided Arsenal, on and off the field.

But please, carry on belittling those who accomplish the very achievements which were on your wish-list in August (pity we can't revisit TFF).

 

[JaseTheVillain]

Liverpool have also been competitive this season, getting to two semi finals domestically and pushing for the top four for a while, whilst not being in the best shape and you are correct, not having the manager fully supported in the market. As I have said before, they are not far away from being a decent side competing for trophies regularly given the time, coaching and players.

Sorry, but you could say that about fucking Luton. It's such a vague term... "Oh yeah, if we had better coaches, players and more time, we could be winning trophies".

 

[Christian Slater]

Sorry, but you could say that hafut fucking Luton. It's such a vague term... "Oh yeah, if we had better coaches, players and more time, we could be winning trophies".

It reminds me of when when Benitez fans would claim their messiah would be "boss" if he worked at a club with the resources of Manchester City.

 

[thespus]

Guys, if you just give Rodgers the third best player in the world, and the aberration that is a fit and in-form Daniel Sturridge, he can absolutely have Liverpool finish in 2nd place again. It's not fair to judge him when things that his peers have never had to deal with (the Ronaldo sale was much different than Suarez; Robin Van Persie's injuries were much more expected than Sturridge's unforeseen troubles) go against him.

 

[smat]

Saltire probably still insists Liverpool have had a good season and have a stronger squad than last year. The man's discredited.

 

[G-Dragon]

No way would I want Wenger at Liverpool over Rodgers. At least Rodgers is young and can improve. But for such an experienced manager Wenger never seems to learn. Its either Klopp or Rodgers stays.