John Yems

[Conker]

John Yems showing passion for the first time on Talksport just now

 

[shoddycollins]

The whole not-a conscious racist thing is based on this whole idea that it's only racism if you actually hurt someone, or deny them access to jobs/services etc.

Casey explains it pretty well IMHO if your idea of banter is you take the piss out of someone and they're just expected to be a good sport over it and can't come back at you then it's just bullying. Yems may have thought that the players he was bullying would give some back to him too but if that's the case then he fundamentally misunderstands the whole employer/employee dynamic and that alone should rule him out from managing any club whether it was racist or not because it's bad for morale. If you're in a position with power over someone then it's only natural that they will feel they can't give you any 'banter' back.

If you're bullying someone by using racist stereotypes then even worse because people giving racist abuse are by default in a position of power the power that comes from knowing that if you kick up a fuss over it they will have the media and a thousand keyboard warriors online backing them up.

If your bullying has the effect of isolating someone, which is the case whenever someone is bullied for being different, racism included then you've only got yourself to blame if they start to view themselves as being segregated from the larger group. If the gist of your 'banter' is telling someone 'you're not one of us, you're apart' and then you give them different treatment to everyone else, even if that difference was for purely innocent reasons they're obviously going to assume it's because you consider them as seperate.

And finally, if you're doing all this and being racist, especially from a position of authority then even if you don't mean any harm in it you are going to cause harm because racism at the more extreme end is harmful and the more normal you make it to bully someone for race the more normal it will also become for other people to harm or discriminate other peoplr for race.

 

[LordJord]

Safe to say his talksport interview didnt come across very well. Said he feels like he is deserving of some apologies for everything he has faced. Didnt think he did anything wrong as he was apparently not found to be purposefully racist (paraphrasing there).

 

[kieran_vale]

That interview went about as well as thought it would. Good news for Yems is he’ll no doubt be appearing on GB News by the middle of next month railing against cancel culture and how you can’t say anything to anyone nowadays.

 

[Casey]

That was a car crash interview. Never had any media training has John.

Casey

 

[The Terminator]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1616050408098611201

John - you may not have intended for your words to be offensive, but they were. Thats why this is out in the open, the world would have more respect for you if you admitted you made a mistake and apologised.

 

[shoddycollins]

WAGMI are at it again.

 

[Casey]

Yems has had his ban increased. The fa appealed to the fa...?

I know I'm in a minority here but it is still ridiculous to be banned for what he said.

He had black and Asian players in his team, he appointed a black assistant manager (who was later sacked for no proper reason) and worked for an asian owner. Clearly racist.

Casey

 

[Super_horns]

Well I think people can still be racist even if they work with black people or even manage them.

Look at the Met police for example.

But I don't know the bloke - maybe he was just misunderstood and he thought it was just banter or something.

 

[Chris FGR]

Surely he must have attended some sort of anti discrimination presentation at the club, most EFL clubs have diversity training/advisors visiting over the summer to go over these sorts of thing. Obviously wasn’t listening.

 

[RiftHouseLad]

Yems has had his ban increased. The fa appealed to the fa...?

I know I'm in a minority here but it is still ridiculous to be banned for what he said.

He had black and Asian players in his team, he appointed a black assistant manager (who was later sacked for no proper reason) and worked for an asian owner. Clearly racist.

Casey

Thats the FA acting as you would expect the FA to act.
Lets make an example of the lower lge.
Then we can give ourselves a big pat on the back.
And show the world how unbiased we are.


Not sticking up for him like.

 

[Railway Blue]

Well I think people can still be racist even if they work with black people or even manage them.

Look at the Met police for example.

But I don't know the bloke - maybe he was just misunderstood and he thought it was just banter or something.

I have a mixed race niece who was racially abused as she came out of work in a high street hairdresser. I asked did she reported to the police and before I'd finished saying it I realised they are part of the problem and not the solution.

 

[GTFCfish]

I know I'm in a minority here but it is still ridiculous to be banned for what he said.

He had black and Asian players in his team, he appointed a black assistant manager (who was later sacked for no proper reason) and worked for an asian owner.

That makes it ok then.

 

[Casey]

That makes it ok then.

I stated ages ago that he deserved to be sacked as he was in charge and when in charge you can't do the jokes and so forth as the people under you sometimes don't feel able to give as good as they get.

Asking an African if he likes jerk chicken and had he visited a jerk chicken shop in Peckham (where he lived) was found to be racist. Not sure why. Taking the piss out of someone for only ever eating curry by joking they don't serve curry pizza (when he was given a free pizza) could be racist but really if it was said in front of me I'm not sure I would spot it. Maybe that makes me racist?

The original accusations were really bad but what they actually charged him with were his attempts at banter/joking and not worth the odium he is tarred with.

Casey

 

[Monkey Tennis]

Have some fucking dignity, and stop defending a solid gold racist.

Let’s not misrepresent the facts, he used the N-word around black players, called an Asian lad a curry muncher, and repeatedly claimed a Muslim player wanted to blow stuff up.

He’d be sacked by any reasonable company in the country. Football won’t miss him.

 

[PuB]

I stated ages ago that he deserved to be sacked as he was in charge and when in charge you can't do the jokes and so forth as the people under you sometimes don't feel able to give as good as they get.

Asking an African if he likes jerk chicken and had he visited a jerk chicken shop in Peckham (where he lived) was found to be racist. Not sure why. Taking the piss out of someone for only ever eating curry by joking they don't serve curry pizza (when he was given a free pizza) could be racist but really if it was said in front of me I'm not sure I would spot it. Maybe that makes me racist?

The original accusations were really bad but what they actually charged him with were his attempts at banter/joking and not worth the odium he is tarred with.

Casey

I depends if it’s said with an intention to offend or make everyone have a laugh at an individuals expense.

Not sure you’re ever gonna get it tbh

 

[Agombar stool]

I stated ages ago that he deserved to be sacked as he was in charge and when in charge you can't do the jokes and so forth as the people under you sometimes don't feel able to give as good as they get.

Asking an African if he likes jerk chicken and had he visited a jerk chicken shop in Peckham (where he lived) was found to be racist. Not sure why. Taking the piss out of someone for only ever eating curry by joking they don't serve curry pizza (when he was given a free pizza) could be racist but really if it was said in front of me I'm not sure I would spot it. Maybe that makes me racist?

The original accusations were really bad but what they actually charged him with were his attempts at banter/joking and not worth the odium he is tarred with.

Casey

I think your examples come under the category of

• stereotyping (generalising or making assumptions about all people from a specific ethnic group, culture or religion are the same)

 

[E10rifle]

I know I'm in a minority

Unlikely.

 

[Casey]

Unlikely.

Oh, I think you will find I am.

I never have and never would say some of the things Yems has said to have said to people I was in charge of.

Casey

 

[GTFCfish]

Oh, I think you will find I am.

I never have and never would say some of the things Yems has said to have said to people I was in charge of.

Casey

I don’t think that’s what he means, I think he means it’s unlikely that your views defending racism are in the minority.

 

[Casey]

Not and never will defend racism. It's evil.

Casey