League 1 General Chat Thread

[gainsparkshrew]

Reading their message board,Latics Speak, there does to be a sense of self entitlement to them.Perhaps it comes from having spent time in the PL or being situated between Liverpool and Manchester.
They expect someone to buy the club but to continually finance them without any attempt to make some money or even break even.
Very strange bunch, got very little sympathy for them

 

[SMH]

Keep your sympathy!

Not been on here for a while, but it's been an absolute pleasure reading through these last few pages tonight and I just had to pop on and offer my condolences to all of you wishing for our demise.

Fucking Carlisle!

 

[The Terminator]

You wonder how many of the current Wigan fan base stood on the terraces at Springfield Park back in the 80s and 90s - they used to average around 2k back when I first started getting into football in 1994.

 

[codaplenty]

You wonder how many of the current Wigan fan base stood on the terraces at Springfield Park back in the 80s and 90s - they used to average around 2k back when I first started getting into football in 1994.

I went to Springfield Park early 60's to watch Fleetwood play them in a qualifying round of the FA Cup, narrowly lost 8-1!

 

[Throbber_for_Dunk]

Funny old club, spent half their history begging to be let in the club, got in, lay dormant, ended up top flight, cup winners, basketcase and all within a relatively short timeframe in football canon.

Glad they're alright and all, but living round here you wouldn't believe they're the same fans as the ones online. Dunno if that reflects on them or the world, particularly online.

 

[shoddycollins]

Keep your sympathy!

Not been on here for a while, but it's been an absolute pleasure reading through these last few pages tonight and I just had to pop on and offer my condolences to all of you wishing for our demise.

Fucking Carlisle!

WTF have we done to you?

See now here you are convincing me that maybe the other fans here are right about Wigan.

 

[Si Robin]

It's funny because it's only online that I've encountered the entitled Wigan fans.

When we played them at Whaddon Road a couple of years back, I had a drink with a few of their fans after the game and they were really down to Earth lads, very big on people supporting their local club, etc...

 

[Carver]

WTF have we done to you?

See now here you are convincing me that maybe the other fans here are right about Wigan.

Probably has something to do with me saying they should be chucked out of the football league, but they should because this is the second time in just a few years they've cheated financially.

It's not right and they piss in the face of clubs that work hard to run things sensibly and within the rules like we do.

Honestly Wigan are just an entitled little jumped up lower league club with plastic fans who think they have a divine right to be in the Championship and beyond.

 

[BigDaveCUFC]

Being a billionaire doesn’t mean they are going to go on a spending spree if he’s a local businessman he may well know Wigan is no more than. L1 club and set budget accordingly. The facilities are there to slow build a strong L1 side without the reckless expectations they have had previously.

If they do mass spend again it will just be a question of time once they hit championship and find the same buffers with short term planning at a club not equipped.

 

[Muzzle]

I wouldn't pay any mind to wigan fans, same bunch of fans who meet in bolton town centre when there are any bolton around and give it large, and the same bunch of fans who meet outside the unibol and give it large when they thought we were going bang, and give it large when there are no bolton around....you see the picture with these lot

 

[leedsvaliant]

Wigan typify what is wrong with modern football. They have achieved relative success through the size of their balance sheet. I always remember them as a bottom division team with not many fans, yet the next minute they are in the Premier League.

The sooner clubs across all divisions live within their means, the better. We're not exempt, as Carol has essentially written off £10 million. But in no other business would you happily write off millions of pounds every year. It's unsustainable and at the very top level, to achieve 17th place takes monumental wages and spending beyond pretty much all the incomes of the clubs involved.

It's no longer about who has the most skilled manager or the best scouts, or the best atmosphere to win games. It's about which owner is willing to either cheat or write off the most money. You'll never see a Derby or a Forest win the top division again. Leicester was a complete freak. I could manage Man City to a top 4 spot.

I've said it before, but give each division a set budget, divided equally between the teams in that division. A truly level sporting playing field, where skill, tactics, coaching and management win the day. Carry on as it is now and people will switch off their subscription to Sky because it's so dull. If they go bump, the whole bubble bursts.

I haven't watched a single Match of the Day this season and I used to watch it religiously. Is there are more dull league than the Premier league?

 

[Super_horns]

Well Man City haven’t quite won it 10 times in a row like Bayern have in Germany ..

Yet !

But unless they actually get punished for the FFP charges probably will .

 

[shoddycollins]

Met a Wigan fan once, after our Conference Play Off win. Me and some other United fans who all lived in Liverpool were on the train back from Stoke and this Wigan fan was also at Lime Street having just seen Wigan promoted to the Premier League. Drunk but friendly, congratulated us on our promotion and singing the praises of 'Wiggafletic', back then it was beyond the wildest dreams of fans like that guy.

There's a Facebook group for L1 fans I've only just joined and the Wigan fans on that place... OMFG . You'd think they were club of the level of Leeds or Forest, arguably the biggest clubs I've seen us play in L1.

Not made the acquaintance of the Wigan fans here, but seems they already dislike us so this should be a fun season. Hopefully they beat us to the relegation place most people have nailed on as ours.

 

[Luke Imp]

Reading charged.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1669646002184409089

 

[kieran_vale]

Had seen their move for Wilder had fallen through.

On the face of it this seems the downside of the Championship just the sheer money you need to compete even there now. There’ll very rarely be an anomaly like Luton but some of these clubs trying to compete with the parachute payments from the premier league are driving themselves to bankruptcy.

Based on the precedent rightly set with Wigan there should be a fair sized points penalty for Reading.

 

[valefan16]

Had seen their move for Wilder had fallen through.

On the face of it this seems the downside of the Championship just the sheer money you need to compete even there now. There’ll very rarely be an anomaly like Luton but some of these clubs trying to compete with the parachute payments from the premier league are driving themselves to bankruptcy.

Based on the precedent rightly set with Wigan there should be a fair sized points penalty for Reading.

Assume they will get the -4 points with suspended for any future failed payments of wages.

 

[Luke Imp]

It's never been a better time to be a L2 promoted Club - a lower amount of 'big' clubs than in L1 than normal, what looks to be a more even league next (or is it 'this' now?!) season as a result and probably two starting the season on minus points, with presumably clouds hanging over Fleetwood at the minute.

 

[masi51]

Wigan will be playing at leigh sports village within 5 years...........Bookmark this
Rugby man has bought them out,.....Never known so much hatred in a town with two sports.
The rugby is supported by people of Wigan....The football fans come from surounding areas that have no football teams. ie St Helens,Warrington,Leigh........Even outsiders are now getting why they dont like each other


Danson the owner was born in Wigan but moved to Bury soon after and was educated at Bolton School

Was a wealthy man when both Bury and Bolton were in trouble never stepped in to help either...why???

Simple he is a rugby man

 

[Carver]

It's never been a better time to be a L2 promoted Club - a lower amount of 'big' clubs than in L1 than normal, what looks to be a more even league next (or is it 'this' now?!) season as a result and probably two starting the season on minus points, with presumably clouds hanging over Fleetwood at the minute.

Also good for us getting promoted now as L2 has a few big spenders down there for next season.

 

[thewwfc]

It's never been a better time to be a L2 promoted Club - a lower amount of 'big' clubs than in L1 than normal, what looks to be a more even league next (or is it 'this' now?!) season as a result and probably two starting the season on minus points, with presumably clouds hanging over Fleetwood at the minute.

I said earlier in the thread that it's very rare that we start the season in anything other than last place (given the furiously unfair cruelties of alphabetical order taking precedence when everyone's got nul points) - I literally can't recall us *ever* having started the season in the dizzy heights of 22nd (should Reading get docked points), exciting times.

 

[Muzzle]

You seem very upset pal, maybe some jelly and ice cream will cheer you up?

From what I heard the last time we rocked up at your place you got turned over both on and off the pitch. Get over it!

Utter bollocks that, typical wigan , full of crap as usual, on pitch we got beat, but you lot tried attacking neutrals at the train station, and ran into to some older lads and ran....closest you ever got to us was on frog lane a few years ago, and you lot still got run, so wind your neck in. The guy who bought you did it to secure the stadium for the rugby club, he doesn't give a shit about the football club, funnily enough, like most people in Wigan, so I wouldn't expect him to blow money on players

 

[gainsparkshrew]

Utter bollocks that, typical wigan , full of crap as usual, on pitch we got beat, but you lot tried attacking neutrals at the train station, and ran into to some older lads and ran....closest you ever got to us was on frog lane a few years ago, and you lot still got run, so wind your neck in. The guy who bought you did it to secure the stadium for the rugby club, he doesn't give a shit about the football club, funnily enough, like most people in Wigan, so I wouldn't expect him to blow money on players

Interesting points, reading on Latics Speak you can feel the hatred towards the rugby side but the Latics fans have had to suck up and accept that the new owner is a rugby man.Would be funny if they ended up at Leigh Sports Village!
Isn't that only a couple of miles from your place?
Again most of their fans online don't seem to understand that they have got to get rid of most of their contracted highly paid squad as part of financial regulation and seem to expect more money to be spent

 

[BarrieOwl]

The 80s and 90s saw the investment by local money men in provincial sides like Wigan and Reading that catapulted the club up the leagues and gave birth to a fanbase that don't remember their historical place in football. That then gave others the idea to repeat it hence clubs like Rushden, Salford and Crawley to buy a spot in the FL and Bournemouth to became established at the top table.

Football, in the main, tends to revert to a natural level over time and this seems to be playing out a little here.

 

[White horse]

I would just ignore the dim Wigan fan, warned him about the overspending, he is one absolute idiot, hasn't posted for months because they have been losing, massive wanker

EDIT , Going down bellend

 

[E10rifle]

It's never been a better time to be a L2 promoted Club - a lower amount of 'big' clubs than in L1 than normal, what looks to be a more even league next (or is it 'this' now?!) season as a result and probably two starting the season on minus points, with presumably clouds hanging over Fleetwood at the minute.

Northampton will still manage to get relegated even if four other clubs go bust.

 

[BigDaveCUFC]

I never know what to expect when being promoted to this level because you can never tell how many of your players will step up in quality with the step up in quality……always impossible to tell.

Seen Carlisle promoted here 3
Times and back in 1995 we were in our best position, p*ssed all over div 3 were marked joint favourites for this league with Swindon and much stronger than Walsall and chesterfield who came up with us…..couldnt buy a win for ages, went down and none of the team were good enough, of course the same players again were too good for div 3 and back up we went but down again we fell.

Then came up in 2006, didn’t add much Kevin Gall who wasn’t L1 quality, Paul Murray and David Raven who were average at best, lost our manager etc etc yet them players improved at L1 level and you have to take into account many had jumped conference to L2 to L1 and pushed the top 6 most of season.

Is every chance carlisle’s players may take more to L1 than Orients even though Orients did much better in L2 that is the tough thing for the managers of the four promoted sides guessing which of their current side will adapt and who won’t.

 

[Casey]

I see our ex manager, Kevin Betsy, has been appointed assistant Head coach at Cambridge.

Massive reputation as a forward thinking coach with great training schemes etc.

Absolute dog turd when he managed us. Squad finished 10th previous season. Added league 2 top scorer, Swindon captain (Conroy) in defence and a few youngsters. 12 games without a win from the start of the season! Constant horseshoe football. Right back to centre back to left back to centre back...

He was then 'let go' but the players all seemed sorry to see him go so I'm guessing the training was actually pretty good.

I wish him well but don't want him back.

Casey

 

[SVH]

Yeah I'm not fussed about what happened with Crawley as he won't be in charge of recruitment here as we have a director of football who looks after that.

What we need is another fresh set of eyes on coaching and getting the best out of our youngsters. We have a lot of good youngsters coming through (We beat Chelsea and should have beaten Arsenal in the youth cup).

Betsy before Crawley and Wigan has a very good CV and I feel he will compliment Bonner very well.

 

[codaplenty]

Danny Andrew joins Cambridge, sorry to see him go as he has been an excellent player for the club. Wish him well and sure he will do a good job
Relieved to see we have made a signing, Ryan Broom from Cheltenham, you Cheltenham fans, what's your thoughts on him ?

 

[Si Robin]

He's a decent player, but he's a 1 in 5 player (as in 1 good performance in 5). He's versatile and we simply don't play to his strengths - he's also a mercenary who will go where the money is (as per my comment on the transfer rumours thread, he signed with Fleetwood the day before Pilley was found guilty) - I don't blame him or any player for chasing the money.

He's an out and out winger, but he thinks he's a 10. He can play wing-back, and last season that's probably where he spent most of his time, covering both the left and right. He won't let you down, but don't expect him to pull up any trees either.