League 2 General Chat Thread

[Scum.]

They’re all shit.

New entry including a roundabout and a cow (concrete or otherwise). I like it.

 

[Son of Cod]

New entry including a roundabout and a cow (concrete or otherwise). I like it.

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That's the worst of the lot for me. The font doesn't work, the unnecessary offset red line around the white circle and the bizarrely transparent ears and horn of the cow...it's like they've forgotten to hit save and sent out something that isn't the final version. I also had to Google what the cow reference is about, pretty sure people who aren't connected to MK generally won't know what that's all about. It initially made me think of Hereford to be honest.

The problem with the three previous ones is that you could have shown me any one of them out of context and I'd have just thought about they were your current badge.

New owners need to be careful meddling with this stuff. Ours updated our badge by adding a flag and "1878" to it and got it done in vector format and while I personally thought that was a good move, the majority of our fanbase disagreed and went into a bit of a meltdown.

 

[spireite]

New entry including a roundabout and a cow (concrete or otherwise). I like it.

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Mate if you want an angry cow staring at you you should come round mine when I'm on the PlayStation.

 

[valefan16]

I think our home kit crest next season is going to be the 100th anniversary one back for the 150th.

Which is not actually a crest just stylised PVFC (with no shirt sponsor also so possibly the same design kit!)

 

[Scum.]

That's the worst of the lot for me. The font doesn't work, the unnecessary offset red line around the white circle and the bizarrely transparent ears and horn of the cow...it's like they've forgotten to hit save and sent out something that isn't the final version. I also had to Google what the cow reference is about, pretty sure people who aren't connected to MK generally won't know what that's all about. It initially made me think of Hereford to be honest.

The problem with the three previous ones is that you could have shown me any one of them out of context and I'd have just thought about they were your current badge.

New owners need to be careful meddling with this stuff. Ours updated our badge by adding a flag and "1878" to it and got it done in vector format and while I personally thought that was a good move, the majority of our fanbase disagreed and went into a bit of a meltdown.

I should have specified that last one was a joke from one of our fans, but I appreciate your critical analysis of it

I agree with the rest of your post though. At least our owners are giving fans 4 options, 3 new ones and sticking with the current, rather than going fully rogue and doing it all themselves I suppose. Based on our forum (admittedly only a few hundred people on it but I’d say more or less representative of the fanbase), it seems the one we have now will be kept as the 3 new ones got the same criticism you gave it i.e. they are just variations of our current badge rather than a full rework, so failed the imagination test and also they generally just look quickly put together with not much thought.

One of our fans suggested that instead of someone at the club mocking up 3 options and putting out to vote, they should have asked fans to submit options and then put out to a vote for the top 3. I’m sure we would have had a few more innovative options if they had done that such as the Milton Keynes coat of arms or whatever. Certainly I’d trust our fans to do better than these 3.

 

[Coalite]

I think our home kit crest next season is going to be the 100th anniversary one back for the 150th.

Which is not actually a crest just stylised PVFC (with no shirt sponsor also so possibly the same design kit!)

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I'm not sure if that's a Burton's ad, a darts player or one of those WW2 ship liveries designed to break up its outline on the horizon?

 

[leedsvaliant]

Think we'd have taken 13-1400 to yours if it was this Saturday.

I think you're taking 2,500 on a Saturday. You took 1200 on a Thursday night. The attendance would likely be 10k+ on a Saturday.

 

[valefan16]

I'm not sure if that's a Burton's ad, a darts player or one of those WW2 ship liveries designed to break up its outline on the horizon?

The badge is certain but I think the retro kit for it will be similar to that.

Wouldn’t mind going for the cream and brown halved kit we had at formation though!

 

[Dan Phillips]

I think our home kit crest next season is going to be the 100th anniversary one back for the 150th.

Which is not actually a crest just stylised PVFC (with no shirt sponsor also so possibly the same design kit!)

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I bloody hope not. Eww!

 

[valefan16]

I bloody hope not. Eww!

Said it would be the one we used for the 100th and if you look at the 150 anniversary announcement on the website the badges are all faded behind that one which is at the front!

 

[Dan Phillips]

Said it would be the one we used for the 100th and if you look at the 150 anniversary announcement on the website the badges are all faded behind that one which is at the front!

It looks like some shite font from WordArt back in the days.

Just stick the old badge on. I'd even take the horse one over that monstrosity.

 

[Carver]

I think it's quite remarkable that considering we're bottom of the league we are still getting attendances of 7000 or over.

You look at MK Dons with their 30,000 all seater stadium and they only get crowds of 6000. Shocking.

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

MKs attendance figures are shocking. Carlisle's league position is also shocking.

Both shocking.

 

[WhiteRussian]

MKs attendance figures are shocking. Carlisle's league position is also shocking.

Both shocking.

And they aren't going to get better while the team is utter pants. I bet in MK if they added up all the people watching premier league shite in pubs on a Saturday there would be more than in the stadium. We are so full of Arsenal and Liverpool fans. Where's that sick emoji.

 

[Luke Imp]

Well, our new owners and new CEO are certainly looking to make their mark (or at least distract from the on field shit show), by offering our Season Ticket Holders the chance to vote on three evolved badges (or keep our current one).

https://www.mkdons.com/news/2025/february/13/your-club-your-crest-vote-now/

Probably should be in the tinpot thread as they're all yucky and almost certainly took the total of 1 minute of AI time to generate.

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A bit bizarre they've suggested a black badge, which aren't your home kit colours? Can't imagine there are many instances where a club badge doesn't reflect home kit colours.

 

[Scum.]

A bit bizarre they've suggested a black badge, which aren't your home kit colours? Can't imagine there are many instances where a club badge doesn't reflect home kit colours.

Perhaps we’ll change them if that wins out. Think the new owner and CEO would be happy with a full rebrand whatever that looks like. It does seem like we will stick with the existing badge though as most people I’ve seen say they have voted to retain it.

It’s interesting they chose to put Milton Keynes Dons on the design rather than just MK Dons, some suspect that is a first move towards dropping the Dons, but I think that would be another generation away and it’d obviously have to be voted on (can’t see it happening personally).

 

[Optipez]

I think you're taking 2,500 on a Saturday. You took 1200 on a Thursday night. The attendance would likely be 10k+ on a Saturday.

Didn't realise it was that many. Good turnout considering it was on TV.
We've somehow gained a lot of younger fans the last few years and are travelling in far greater numbers than before our stint in non league.

 

[GTFCfish]

Perhaps we’ll change them if that wins out. Think the new owner and CEO would be happy with a full rebrand whatever that looks like. It does seem like we will stick with the existing badge though as most people I’ve seen say they have voted to retain it.

It’s interesting they chose to put Milton Keynes Dons on the design rather than just MK Dons, some suspect that is a first move towards dropping the Dons, but I think that would be another generation away and it’d obviously have to be voted on (can’t see it happening personally).

You can’t do a full rebrand otherwise decades and decades of your proud history will be all but wiped out.

 

[loz]

And they aren't going to get better while the team is utter pants. I bet in MK if they added up all the people watching premier league shite in pubs on a Saturday there would be more than in the stadium. We are so full of Arsenal and Liverpool fans. Where's that sick emoji.

Unfortunately, you can probably say that about most places in this Division. BD postcode probably has more "super" Leeds fans than us.

 

[GTFCfish]

I’ve had a go at designing the new MK Dons badge.

Thoughts?

 

[Si Robin]

Perhaps we’ll change them if that wins out. Think the new owner and CEO would be happy with a full rebrand whatever that looks like. It does seem like we will stick with the existing badge though as most people I’ve seen say they have voted to retain it.

It’s interesting they chose to put Milton Keynes Dons on the design rather than just MK Dons, some suspect that is a first move towards dropping the Dons, but I think that would be another generation away and it’d obviously have to be voted on (can’t see it happening personally).

As I understand it, a lot of the animosity from AFC fans is the fact you use the name Dons. Is there a reason why the club is so desperate to keep it when there's no logical reason for its use?

I'm basing this on the fact that MK Dons now consider themselves to have been formed in 2004 so are no longer a continuation of Wimbledon FC.

 

[Scum.]

As I understand it, a lot of the animosity from AFC fans is the fact you use the name Dons. Is there a reason why the club is so desperate to keep it when there's no logical reason for its use?

I'm basing this on the fact that MK Dons now consider themselves to have been formed in 2004 so are no longer a continuation of Wimbledon FC.

Kept because it is our history how ever you cut it. Legally the same club in terms of the turnover from one to the other. Wimbledon FC aka The Dons played their last year in Milton Keynes. We also do still have Wimbledon fans who followed the club (everyone estimated this to be circa 500 of the peeps at the time, who knows the true number but I know quite a few), so kept for them. Add to that the fact there have now been over two decades of us using the name in our current guise building history and a fanbase in the process and there’s not much chance of us giving it up any time soon I think. Also, we have The Open University in the city so maybe we are truly the Dons…(joking)

Also the animosity between the two clubs (it’s two way, not one way) will go on regardless because it’s just becoming like any other rivalry to add to the long list of them in England. A decent number of the current AFCW fans weren’t even Wimbledon FC fans because a whole generation has passed by, certainly a lot of their fans appear to be similar in age to our fanbase e.g. 30-35 and under, so the feeling doesn’t appear to be exactly the same as it is for those there at the time. Certainly the more time passes the more it becomes like other rivalries, the first game at ours and theirs was a bit of a sideshow in terms of all the antics (boycotts, a plane flying over the stadium with a banner, neutral area given public interest, not mentioning our name in programmes etc) but ever since then and frankly especially since AFCW started performing better in these matches and winning (last 2-3 years), surprise surprise they show more interest in turning up in big numbers and treating it as the ‘big game’.

The biggest measure for me of how this feeling has evolved is the fact not only do AFCW bring so many fans up for the game every time now (1,500 last time around), but in January they were also buying drinks and food from our concessions, something that would never have happened in 2012 when we first met and they brought their 3,000, time is a healer and all that (or maybe the food and drink was just too damn good and they left their principles at the turnstiles)…?

Anyway, with Winkelman out the picture and new ownership I do anticipate it will be put up a vote sooner or later, so we shall see.

 

[leedsvaliant]

We've had a meet the manager tonight at the club. This was a direct quote from Moore:

"DM (on officials): We’ve spoken to PGMOL about the Bromley & Bradford incidents (the ghost goal & offside). Allegedly Bradford was down to miscommunication between ref & linesman.

Bromley - the ref didn’t realise there was no goal line tech, so didn’t award anything"

They're surely taking the piss at this point.

 

[LS Bantam]

We've had a meet the manager tonight at the club. This was a direct quote from Moore:

"DM (on officials): We’ve spoken to PGMOL about the Bromley & Bradford incidents (the ghost goal & offside). Allegedly Bradford was down to miscommunication between ref & linesman.

Bromley - the ref didn’t realise there was no goal line tech, so didn’t award anything"

They're surely taking the piss at this point.

Ref - “He was offside? Why didn’t you say?”
Linesman - “I literally had my flag up”
Ref - “Well I just think you could’ve been clearer”.

 

[Valeite]

That`s hilarious, was the ref at Bromley waiting for his watch to start buzzing and as for the Bradford one, isn`t the time honoured method for communication between linesman and ref for the liner to wave his flag?

 

[JJ1990]

We've had a meet the manager tonight at the club. This was a direct quote from Moore:

"DM (on officials): We’ve spoken to PGMOL about the Bromley & Bradford incidents (the ghost goal & offside). Allegedly Bradford was down to miscommunication between ref & linesman.

Bromley - the ref didn’t realise there was no goal line tech, so didn’t award anything"

They're surely taking the piss at this point.

Utter BS. This is his 2nd full season in the EFL after working his way up through the NL, if he doesn't know such a basic thing like this, then he's woefully underqualified to be a ref. For me, it's a very weak attempt at saving face that is clearly bollocks.

 

[Si Robin]

That doesn't make any sense at all - don't they have to wear a specific watch? Surely he'd know he didn't have one on.

 

[leedsvaliant]

There's clearly some lies going on here but I'm certain Moore is telling the truth.

The Bradford one, where the linesman puts his flag up, what sort of miscommunication can there be? He thought it was offside. So all it takes is for the ref to walk up to him and ask 'was it offside?'

The Bromley one is just a lie from the PGMOL. I think you must have some sort of specific equipment to have goalline technology. And it appears this guy has come up through non league, so should know that it's only the top 2 leagues that have it.

We would have won that Bromley game if we'd have scored and we likely get a point at Bradford as we were improved 2nd half.

I said last year that when Reading got our game postponed when we were in relatively good form and they were in poor form with loads of injuries, that we should have taken action against them. When we played the rearranged game we were horrifically out of form and had loads of injuries. It gave an unfair competitive advantage to Reading. It could have spurred us on to get something there and changed our fortunes.

We're too nice as a club but if we miss out this year, I'd be taking some form of action against the EFL or PGMOL for lost earnings due to gross incompetence. It obviously won't happen.

 

[Luke Imp]

We've had a meet the manager tonight at the club. This was a direct quote from Moore:

"DM (on officials): We’ve spoken to PGMOL about the Bromley & Bradford incidents (the ghost goal & offside). Allegedly Bradford was down to miscommunication between ref & linesman.

Bromley - the ref didn’t realise there was no goal line tech, so didn’t award anything"

They're surely taking the piss at this point.

crazy.

 

[Si Robin]

I've actually given some thought to this. The ref would have been waiting on the linesman to flag for the ball to be over the line (if I remember correctly the big issue was the linesman missed it). Both linesmen were regulars in the Championship, so it's feasible they thought the ref had a watch on for goal line tech and didn't feel the need to flag. The ref not seeing a flag assumed the ball didn't cross the line.

This doesn't defend the decision - it's an absolutely crazy decision - but I think adds context to what Darren Moore was told.