League of Hate

[BlackHaddock]

I am really made up, with tears in my eyes, that nobody hates the Stags, Thank you from the bottom of my heart.

I do.

 

[kieran_vale]

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Interesting! Vale as expected although Burton at 5 seems to be a surprising one! Macc have us at 2 despite us not even listing them and of course Crewe hate us the most!

The historical Vale-Walsall rivalry still has both in 4th whilst the more recent beef with Shrewsbury is still in the memory.

Outside the league Stoke hate us the most with Crewe surprisingly not even making their hate list and the biggest surprise is that Burton rank Vale as their biggest rivals.

Who the hell amongst the Vale fanbase hates Burton? Have nothing but respect for them in all honesty even if it's a bit annoying we are now pushed down to the third team in the county but thats our own fault.

Stoke a clear number one then daylight followed by Walsall and West Brom. Will never get over that playoff final defeat to the latter. Some may say Crewe but not for me personally even if Clayton Donaldson pissed me off hugely that time he "won" that penalty against us and cost us a shot at the playoffs.

 

[valefan16]

Who the hell amongst the Vale fanbase hates Burton? Have nothing but respect for them in all honesty even if it's a bit annoying we are now pushed down to the third team in the county but thats our own fault.

Stoke a clear number one then daylight followed by Walsall and West Brom. Will never get over that playoff final defeat to the latter. Some may say Crewe but not for me personally even if Clayton Donaldson pissed me off hugely that time he "won" that penalty against us and cost us a shot at the playoffs.

Best night of my Vale supporting life was against Burton! I’d assume it was just the next nearest club anyone could think of, Wrexham would be up there if still EFL as we have had some real beef with them in the early 00s. The “battle of Wrexham” was only 15 at the game alone... the Gnomes flying everywhere absolute rioting. Possibly Stockport?

Crewe’s one of them, never really had much issue with them under that game; then the Adams and Gradi bust ups, their fans got all self righteous after we had a few players in trouble and we were this evil club... that kind of has gone by the wayside since!

In fact I’d say the rivalry with Shrewsbury 2008-12ish was bigger than with Crewe after that pitch invasion after we’d had a bad start under Sinnott in our first year at this level in a quarter of a century and Rico scored the 96th minute winner. Ended up with 12pm kick offs!

 

[Gerald Hattrick]

For me, from a Crewe perspective I have to go with Chester, Wrexham, Stockport top 3. Some tasty meetings before any ‘derby’ games with Vale and Stoke. It’s only in the last 20 years or so where we’ve found ourselves and the Vale playing regularly and while it’s a local game the press have blown it up. Prefer to be playing them than Stevenage, Salford, Fleetwood etc.

 

[Son of Cod]

Scunny, then Lincoln, then Hull for me. As said by the other Town fans we never play Hull. Been watching us for almost 30 years and we've played them once competitively in the AWS in 97/98. I'm sure if we ever ended up in the same division it'd be massive. We've never played Man Utd in my life, but I'd honestly rather get Hull away in the FA Cup than United. The relationship between the two clubs is more like a parent/feeder club kind of thing nowadays. Lincoln would never have been a rival in the 90s, but they've 100% been our biggest in recent years and while we've had some shite games there have been some right good ones and it's quite a fierce rivalry, especially now that they bring four figure followings.

 

[Razzmachaz]

Interesting that both Millwall and Charlton still list us despite being 2 leagues apart at the moment. We did play them a lot in the last 2 decades so makes sense. Brentford no doubt would as well if there was any data available. Surprised we maybe didn't appear on Peterborough and Oxford's lists due to some longstanding agg over Orient beating them in season defining matches. Although with Peterborough it was more friendly banter. I don't think any club lists Orient as 1st rival. I don't get Southend's obsession with Col U though with literally them playing at opposite ends of the County. The matches with Orient/Southend seemed a bigger affair and have been very spicy over the years and for fans of both clubs was probably quicker to get too and closer to home due to trains. There was/is a genuine rivalry there.

 

[TrinidadsNumberOne]

I'd be quite happy if we never played Stockport again, I just have an inherent dislike towards them over a couple of unsavoury incidents after games in the 2000s. Many Crewe fans took pleasure in sending them down to the non league too which was very different to when we sent Orient down a couple of years back where we felt sorry for them. I'd be happy to see the other two back in the league as they're good days out. Chester and Wrexham are proper good places for a piss up.

I'd rather play the traditional rivals than Vale these days however. The really bitter animosity earlier this decade between us and Vale (during the Dario-Adams era) has died down now and I genuinely believe it's because we play each other too often now it's just gone stale. People say absence can lead to a rivalry dying but I know Wrexham and Chester would sell out our away end if we played them again in a competitive match and vice versa. I think playing a secondary rival too often can lead to a rivalry going stale if it doesn't have any spark that can ignite controversy for another 5-10 years.

 

[EricSabin]

I’d like to have seen a non league one of these, Barnet seem to have an odd dislike of us. Seemed to hit its peak when we relegated them at Sixfields and the meanies in the home end sang songs about their impending fate

 

[lordofthepies]

Who the hell amongst the Vale fanbase hates Burton? Have nothing but respect for them in all honesty even if it's a bit annoying we are now pushed down to the third team in the county but thats our own fault.

Stoke a clear number one then daylight followed by Walsall and West Brom. Will never get over that playoff final defeat to the latter. Some may say Crewe but not for me personally even if Clayton Donaldson pissed me off hugely that time he "won" that penalty against us and cost us a shot at the playoffs.

Bit harsh - it's not like ClayDo dived or anything, he just got tackled.

 

[Soup Ladle]

If tiny little insignficant non-league clubs were allowed I'm certain that we'd have ranked Hartlepool in 1st and maybe Darlo in 2nd if people can still remember who they are. Hartlepool would probably rank us either 2nd behind Darlo or third behind 'Boro, assuming they haven't developed some super-intense rivalry with Ebbsfleet or wherever in their time down there.

It's feisty Pools/Carlisle on and off the pitch but you'll not find many Pools fans who really hate Carlisle. Definitely a one sided 'rivalry' that. Your derby is Barrow. Our rivals are obviously Darlo but they're not the same club any more and are quite insignificant though they definitely still get a bonk on over us. York don't like us much either, neither did Scarborough when they were in the league but for us it was only ever about Darlo.

Personally I can't stand the Borer but we never play them.

 

[hellogregory]

It's feisty Pools/Carlisle on and off the pitch but you'll not find many Pools fans who really hate Carlisle. Definitely a one sided 'rivalry' that. Your derby is Barrow. Our rivals are obviously Darlo but they're not the same club any more and are quite insignificant though they definitely still get a bonk on over us. York don't like us much either, neither did Scarborough when they were in the league but for us it was only ever about Darlo.

Personally I can't stand the Borer but we never play them.

Fortunately for all of us, you are wrong... it’s no sided, it’s a rivalry that doesn’t exist other than for 90 minutes during a fixture like it does for all the teams we play. I get that some of your fans see a larger than usual away following so see it as a challenge to attack prematch, but that’s not because of the team we support it’s because a lot of us have made the trip with it being northern.

As for the clubs I dislike... Manchester United, Liverpool, Newcastle in that order. But I’d never describe them as rivals, obviously. I think people often think hating a team means you think they are your rivals, or think taking a large away following means they think it’s s rivalry.

 

[Soup Ladle]

Fortunately for all of us, you are wrong... it’s no sided, it’s a rivalry that doesn’t exist other than for 90 minutes during a fixture like it does for all the teams we play. I get that some of your fans see a larger than usual away following so see it as a challenge to attack prematch, but that’s not because of the team we support it’s because a lot of us have made the trip with it being northern.

As for the clubs I dislike... Manchester United, Liverpool, Newcastle in that order. But I’d never describe them as rivals, obviously. I think people often think hating a team means you think they are your rivals, or think taking a large away following means they think it’s s rivalry.

Both clubs have knuckle draggers - whenever I've been to Carlisle, it's been dicey as fuck. Maybe it is just larger than normal away followings that does it but in my experience your lot were always up for a fight outside the Carlisle station and on the way to the ground. Police escorts, horses etc everywhere. Definitely not the atmosphere of any other game for you (or for some of your supporters) as you put it.

 

[Kim Mitten]

Interesting that both Millwall and Charlton still list us despite being 2 leagues apart at the moment. We did play them a lot in the last 2 decades so makes sense. Brentford no doubt would as well if there was any data available. Surprised we maybe didn't appear on Peterborough and Oxford's lists due to some longstanding agg over Orient beating them in season defining matches. Although with Peterborough it was more friendly banter. I don't think any club lists Orient as 1st rival. I don't get Southend's obsession with Col U though with literally them playing at opposite ends of the County. The matches with Orient/Southend seemed a bigger affair and have been very spicy over the years and for fans of both clubs was probably quicker to get too and closer to home due to trains. There was/is a genuine rivalry there.

Colchester is a traditional thing for Southend. Remember that until Colchester came along in the 1950s Southend literally had no rival. The closest teams like Clapton/Leyton Orient, West Ham, Millwall and London clubs etc... tended not to cross our paths to much. The other closet, Gillingham was seen as some kind of jolly boys outing as most people used to travel to the game by boat.

Then along come Colchester, no rival of their own, in the same county and the early games were feisty, the 60s/70s games started to have a lot of trouble and the rivalry was born. Our games with them are far 'spicier' than Orient. It remains the only place I've been offered a fight every time I've been there, had punches thrown at me and been on a coach that had bricks thrown through the windows.
I've only seen proper trouble at one Orient-Southend game. Most Southend fans don't really mind Orient, I always see Orient as 'divisional rival'. When we are apart the teams don't seem overly fussed with each other. Whereas we were still singing anti-Col U songs in the 2nd tier when they were non-league.

You must like playing us though, we have an abysmal record against Orient - I've been to 10 Southend-Orient games - my record is W 0 D 1 L 9. Tes Bramble's overhead kick own goal still gives me nightmares to this day.

 

[shoddycollins]

It's feisty Pools/Carlisle on and off the pitch but you'll not find many Pools fans who really hate Carlisle. Definitely a one sided 'rivalry' that. Your derby is Barrow. Our rivals are obviously Darlo but they're not the same club any more and are quite insignificant though they definitely still get a bonk on over us. York don't like us much either, neither did Scarborough when they were in the league but for us it was only ever about Darlo.

Personally I can't stand the Borer but we never play them.

I like Barrow, seeing as they're the other main club covered by BBCRC. I tend to want them to win. Be nice if they got up here.

 

[Bartonyellow]

Who the hell amongst the Vale fanbase hates Burton? Have nothing but respect for them in all honesty even if it's a bit annoying we are now pushed down to the third team in the county but thats our own fault.

Stoke a clear number one then daylight followed by Walsall and West Brom. Will never get over that playoff final defeat to the latter. Some may say Crewe but not for me personally even if Clayton Donaldson pissed me off hugely that time he "won" that penalty against us and cost us a shot at the playoffs.

I have no idea why our fans would say vale as rivals I've never felt that way and I'm pretty sure. The majority of our fan base feels the same. I am sure it's felt by you also.
As things stand our new rivals next season maybe Stoke and we can have a rivalry for Staffordshires number one team...

 

[GTFCfish]

Scunny, then Lincoln, then Hull for me. As said by the other Town fans we never play Hull. Been watching us for almost 30 years and we've played them once competitively in the AWS in 97/98. I'm sure if we ever ended up in the same division it'd be massive. We've never played Man Utd in my life, but I'd honestly rather get Hull away in the FA Cup than United. The relationship between the two clubs is more like a parent/feeder club kind of thing nowadays. Lincoln would never have been a rival in the 90s, but they've 100% been our biggest in recent years and while we've had some shite games there have been some right good ones and it's quite a fierce rivalry, especially now that they bring four figure followings.

I was at that Hull game in 97/98, it says just how different our fortunes have been since then that we all expected to spank them 4 or 5 nil and at the end there was quite a lot of booing with the odd bit of polite applause that we only actually managed to beat them 1-0.
Then that 2-0 win at Scunny in the semi final was a great night, two late goals and limbs everywhere when Groves scored.

 

[Limerick Mariner]

Scunny, then Lincoln, then Hull for me. As said by the other Town fans we never play Hull. Been watching us for almost 30 years and we've played them once competitively in the AWS in 97/98. I'm sure if we ever ended up in the same division it'd be massive. We've never played Man Utd in my life, but I'd honestly rather get Hull away in the FA Cup than United. The relationship between the two clubs is more like a parent/feeder club kind of thing nowadays. Lincoln would never have been a rival in the 90s, but they've 100% been our biggest in recent years and while we've had some shite games there have been some right good ones and it's quite a fierce rivalry, especially now that they bring four figure followings.

The two games against Hull in the 79/80 season were massive - we were on our way to the 3rd division title and Hull were battling against relegation 2-2 at Boothferry and 1-1 at Blundell Park. The away game clashed with SLF playing the Winter Gardens which was also massive (for me and a few other 6th formers with classy musical taste!) I was torn between which to go to but in the end it was neither - school insisted I went on a Geography A Level field trip to Scarborough. All sorts of plans were plotted to hire cars or hitchhike to Hull but were blocked by the teachers. Of course, I should have pulled a sickie and gone to the SLF gig; less chance of being caught by non-punk teachers or pupils in the huge North Lincs following to Hull...

Every SLF gig is still massive mind - 40th anniversary of the debut album masterpiece - Inflammable Material this year.

 

[PlymouthCasual]

Exeter and Exeter only. That Johnstone's Paint Trophy game in 2010 was one of the most vile atmospheres I have witnessed in 30 years at Home Park. Pure hatred from both sides.

 

[Trapdoor]

I love watching your idiots in Zoo corner fighting each other when you're losing.

 

[ProfessorGreen]

Would be interested to know where the data for this is collected from. Would say it's fairly accurate but Portsmouth are way too high. Yeah we've had a few battles in recent times but the old dockyard rivalry has diminished (as have the dockyards).

I see the games vs Bristol Rovers/City as more of a derby than theirs. When we were in the Championship playing Bristol City regularly they were great games. Cardiff would have been listed on it then as well. But as you say, haven't played either side competitively anywhere near enough recently so Wycombe and Pompey make it onto the list.

 

[Trapdoor]

Back at your natural level now. Maybe we can play each other again next year in League 1 as well if you care to join us?

 

[Casey]

Crawley have a rivalry/hatred with Burnley? Since when?! Have we ever played Burnley?

The Wimbledon thing is because when we brought the conference title with a record points total etc all the coverage was about Wimbledon coming second and regaining their "place" in the league and the Wimbledon fans pretending it was somehow more important than men landing on the moon. Pissed off a fair few Crawley fans.

Brighton, meh, Swindon thanks to an fa cup win but no hate. Bournemouth I have no idea about. They even brought our top scorer (Tubbs) and no one took exception.

As an older fan my main rivals were Hastings, Dover and Chelmsford. We haven't played them this century...?

In short, not a lot of truth from my point of view.

Casey

 

[Chris FGR]

Brimscombe and Thrupp are our fiercest rivals now that Shortwood have fallen away.

 

[PlymouthCasual]

I love watching your idiots in Zoo corner fighting each other when you're losing.

I loved browsing your forum after and reading hundreds of comments of supporters vowing never to travel to Plymouth ever again. I dont condone violence but if it helps to improve the local area then I have been known to turn a blind eye

 

[Son of Cod]

Brimscombe and Thrupp are our fiercest rivals now that Shortwood have fallen away.

#4 is Cirencester Tesco Express car park.

 

[Sydney Posse]

Only Plymouth for me really, and pretty much all other City fans I know think the same. Naming Lincoln is surely a short term thing based on one season and possibly even only 2 games, so completely discount that. It also bemuses me that MK Dons get a mention just because our ex manager went there and took a few of our older players with him. Who cares?. My first CIty game at Plymouth was early 80's and have been to the bulk of them since, and nothing really touches that. Thankfully I did not attend the game mentioned by the Plymouth supporter above a few years back in the tinpot cup, as by all accounts that was pretty bad afterwards

 

[Chris FGR]

#4 is Cirencester Tesco Express car park.

*Extra not express. We're not talking small time here. There's a Tesco Express in Nailsworth, but it only has a small car park so they are rivals with Shortwood.

The Extra rivalry will only become a thing if we ever build our fuck off massive car park at the New Lawnabao/Eco Park.

As it is they are on a different level. A bit like yourselves and Lincoln.

 

[Son of Cod]

*Extra not express. We're not talking small time here. There's a Tesco Express in Nailsworth, but it only has a small car park so they are rivals with Shortwood.

The Extra rivalry will only become a thing if we ever build our fuck off massive car park at the New Lawnabao/Eco Park.

As it is they are on a different level. A bit like yourselves and Lincoln.

Yeah, but we were going to that Tesco Express since the dawn of time and it's always full. The Lincoln Tesco Extra has only been getting customers over the past few years. Plastic shoppers who used to stay at home and order online from Asda and Sainsbury's.

 

[Floreat Salopia]

Shrewsbury v Telford would be a good spectacle, 15 Miles between them at a guess and not played competitively in decades...

It’s always those type of rarely seen rival fixtures that are the best I think, Stoke v Vale is another example.

We had some great battles with Telford in our one conference season. Remember being a young lad stood on the Riverside with my old man at the old Gay Meadow and the Telford lot tried to take the Riverside. They soon realised they made a mistake!

Worst I've seen violence at a football match was whenever we played Wrexham. Now that is pure hatred amongst the two fanbases. Unfortunately we haven't played them for 12 years I think it is now, the useless fuckers. Enjoyable to see them waste away in non league in a crumbling stadium, mind. There's this one idiot Wrexham fan who must come on our forum every other day attempting to 'troll' and say that Wrexham are still a big club. Deluded.

My top 5 rivals from what I've experienced are:-
1) Wrexham
2) Hereford
3) Telford
4) Wolves
5) Walsall

Special mention to the games from 2008 onwards against Port Vale.

 

[UTS]

We had some great battles with Telford in our one conference season. Remember being a young lad stood on the Riverside with my old man at the old Gay Meadow and the Telford lot tried to take the Riverside. They soon realised they made a mistake!

Worst I've seen violence at a football match was whenever we played Wrexham. Now that is pure hatred amongst the two fanbases. Unfortunately we haven't played them for 12 years I think it is now, the useless fuckers. Enjoyable to see them waste away in non league in a crumbling stadium, mind. There's this one idiot Wrexham fan who must come on our forum every other day attempting to 'troll' and say that Wrexham are still a big club. Deluded.

My top 5 rivals from what I've experienced are:-
1) Wrexham
2) Hereford
3) Telford
4) Wolves
5) Walsall

Special mention to the games from 2008 onwards against Port Vale.

I find it strange that Telford aren’t more well supported. Obviously AFC Telford are a phoenix of the original but even still, the town of Telford is the largest in Shropshire and there is no large competition near Telford, the nearest big clubs are Wolves or the Birmingham ones but even they’re 15 and 30 miles away... it’s not like they have a large rugby heritage either like Warrington or Wigan etc.

Off-topic but you’d think the conditions were ripe for a town capable of supporting a FL club but obviously something is stopping the town supporting their local club.