Macclefield or Stevenage, which one goes?

[kieran_vale]

Shameful what has been done to Macclesfield here.

We’ll never be rid of Stevenage.

 

[#Beebot]

Yet Sheffield Wednesday's points deduction has been put back to next season.

What is the difference?

That decision was disgraceful.

 

[PuB]

Shameful.

 

[Brox]

Me after clicking on to this thread..

 

[Brox]

Most of those signings have been mediocre NL players though. They will struggle again next year.

They can't be much worse than what we had last season surely?

 

[Casey]

Stevenage. The latest winners of the AGM Cup. I think that's the first time its been won on penalties though.

If there is a chance to appeal (which the beeb says not) then I expect Macc to do so. It may well be a legal issue regarding the application of the ppg.

Just doesn't feel right.

Casey

 

[The_Boss]

The scrots at the EFL have got what they wanted, they clearly didn't want anything to do with Macclesfields current owner.

I've been following football for 27 years and this is easily the luckiest thing I've ever seen happen to a football club - because Stevenage were rock bottom with only 3 wins and saved partly by a Pandemic.

Having said that, Stevenage will point to 1996 when they was unfairly not allowed promotion to the League.

Feel for Macclesfield and their fans, what an absoulte farce and its taken months to get to this.

The Arbitration panel's decision is final and binding - Macc are officially down.

Macclesfield Town relegated, Stevenage stay in League Two as EFL wins appeal

Outcome leaves Macclesfield in 24th position in table on 19 points with a points-per-game (PPG) total of 23.62, resulting in clubs relegation into National League

www.skysports.com

Stevenag can point to 96 all they want, we had the same fate the year before - even though Chester had previously used the Moss for football league matches. So in all honesty there has been a long standing dislike for Macc.

Hard to say much right now. Can't see the National League taking us in at this late stage.

 

[dedwardp]

Stevenage. The latest winners of the AGM Cup. I think that's the first time its been won on penalties though.

If there is a chance to appeal (which the beeb says not) then I expect Macc to do so. It may well be a legal issue regarding the application of the ppg.

Just doesn't feel right.

Casey

The EFL have said that "The Arbitration panel’s decision is final and binding" so presumably no appeal.

However, as much as I think the method of applying the deductions before calculating PPG is a disgrace, that they have ended up at a 17-point deduction would be enough to relegate them whichever way they applied it as far as I can see so that argument becomes a bit moot really.

 

[Brox]

I feel for Macclesfield, their fans and their players, been screwed over by an absolute prick of an owner. We're a very undeserving beneficiary, can't pretend I'm not happy with the outcome but profiting at someone else's expense in this manner feels incredibly cruel.

 

[The_Boss]

The EFL have said that "The Arbitration panel’s decision is final and binding" so presumably no appeal.

However, as much as I think the method of applying the deductions before calculating PPG is a disgrace, that they have ended up at a 17-point deduction would be enough to relegate them whichever way they applied it as far as I can see so that argument becomes a bit moot really.

They had also said the decision was final and binding in one of our hearings earlier in the season, yet they were able to appeal this time?

 

[#Beebot]

They can't be much worse than what we had last season surely?

Probably not. But they were mediocre NL players too. You paid a fee for Jake Cassidy for a start.

 

[#Beebot]

Stevenag can point to 96 all they want, we had the same fate the year before - even though Chester had previously used the Moss for football league matches. So in all honesty there has been a long standing dislike for Macc.

Hard to say much right now. Can't see the National League taking us in at this late stage.

Most likely you go into the NL North. I think Ebbsfleet are likely to benefit here.

 

[AdamStag]

Most likely you go into the NL North. I think Ebbsfleet are likely to benefit here.

all depends, Boston we’re relegated to the NPL but allowed into the CN on appeal. Will be interesting to see what happens

 

[northstandexile]

The agreement between the EFL and NL is that the NL must take an EFL relegated team. However with Boston conference put then in NLN instead of top division.
Can see same with Macclesfield and Ebbsfleet reprieved.
incidentally Ebbsfleet have an appeal about being relegated do to ppg situation.

 

[valefan16]

ffs.

State of loads of Stevenage fans on twitter very ungraciously mocking Macclesfield. I have no time for either but the sooner anti-football burger king united fuck off out of the football league for ever, the better off the rest of us will all be.

Would you expect anything less? Another 90 minutes of time wasting, diving and cheating at VP I dare say... ideally get that out the way in September so we don’t have to sit through it.

 

[PuB]

Would you expect anything less? Another 90 minutes of time wasting, diving and cheating at VP I dare say... ideally get that out the way in September so we don’t have to sit through it.

Its never really 90 minutes though is it, especially with the drinks breaks.

 

[Boletus Edulis]

Can all League 2 sides next season please thrash Stevenage at least 3-0 and they record no wins. No side has deserved more to go down for years.

 

[Blue Lion]

Mixed emotions right now, but all of them bad. Mainly anger towards the owner whose negligence has caused all this to happen. Also a bit peeved with the EFL for stitching us up with the PPG but in truth this has been coming for years. It's such a shame because it has sucked all the enjoyment out of our brief stint back in the big time. Also frustrated that most armchair fans seem to think that this outcome was a no brainer, when in reality we could pursue this case further with a bit more publicity. It will be interesting to see how the panel accounted for the flawed PPG in the report when it is released.

Future looks very bleak with the FL money gone and still no fans. The basic payment was the club's life support and without it we could well be wound up at the next court case. And for the first time ever I feel completely indifferent about it. The prospect of going under and starting again without Amar seems quite inviting right now.

Just goes to show how much of a toss up these disciplinary hearings really are. Wish we could have gone through all this last year instead so that it was Notts County who got the reprieve rather than Stevenage.

My parting shot is just to wish you all well next season, particularly Port Vale and Sir John, and good luck putting up with masi51 in the meantime!

 

[KeithH]

Bleedin EFL again
Always the fans that have to suffer spunkpuffin owners and bleedin useless regulation

 

[dedwardp]

It will be interesting to see how the panel accounted for the flawed PPG in the report when it is released.

As I said earlier, though, a 17-point deduction would have relegated you even if they had applied the deduction after calculating the proper PPG total so they've kind of removed that argument altogether now. Macclesfield's PPG total should have been 44.76, Stevenage's was 28.11. So the now 17-point deduction would take Macclesfield down to 27.76 and below Stevenage even if they applied the PPG properly.

 

[kieran_vale]

Mixed emotions right now, but all of them bad. Mainly anger towards the owner whose negligence has caused all this to happen. Also a bit peeved with the EFL for stitching us up with the PPG but in truth this has been coming for years. It's such a shame because it has sucked all the enjoyment out of our brief stint back in the big time. Also frustrated that most armchair fans seem to think that this outcome was a no brainer, when in reality we could pursue this case further with a bit more publicity. It will be interesting to see how the panel accounted for the flawed PPG in the report when it is released.

Future looks very bleak with the FL money gone and still no fans. The basic payment was the club's life support and without it we could well be wound up at the next court case. And for the first time ever I feel completely indifferent about it. The prospect of going under and starting again without Amar seems quite inviting right now.

Just goes to show how much of a toss up these disciplinary hearings really are. Wish we could have gone through all this last year instead so that it was Notts County who got the reprieve rather than Stevenage.

My parting shot is just to wish you all well next season, particularly Port Vale and Sir John, and good luck putting up with masi51 in the meantime!

Really sorry for all Macc fans that are being put through this. Am disgusted with the EFL and also that owner of Macclesfield who has created this situation. I just hope regardless your club can be shot of any involvement from him. Quite sobering to think if Smurthwaite had his way this could quite easily have been us and many other clubs could say the same.

 

[The_Boss]

Mixed emotions right now, but all of them bad. Mainly anger towards the owner whose negligence has caused all this to happen. Also a bit peeved with the EFL for stitching us up with the PPG but in truth this has been coming for years. It's such a shame because it has sucked all the enjoyment out of our brief stint back in the big time. Also frustrated that most armchair fans seem to think that this outcome was a no brainer, when in reality we could pursue this case further with a bit more publicity. It will be interesting to see how the panel accounted for the flawed PPG in the report when it is released.

Future looks very bleak with the FL money gone and still no fans. The basic payment was the club's life support and without it we could well be wound up at the next court case. And for the first time ever I feel completely indifferent about it. The prospect of going under and starting again without Amar seems quite inviting right now.

Just goes to show how much of a toss up these disciplinary hearings really are. Wish we could have gone through all this last year instead so that it was Notts County who got the reprieve rather than Stevenage.

My parting shot is just to wish you all well next season, particularly Port Vale and Sir John, and good luck putting up with masi51 in the meantime!

Apathy for me. I just don't see how we survive this with the upcoming HMRC hearing. No interest in a phoenix club for me. Most likely done with club football and go back to sporadic England travel. Thanks Amar, this is what you've reduced me to. No club, no interest in English league football, and whilst admittedly there isn't many of us, its another 2000 on top of me lost from the game.

As Blue Lion says, all the best to everyone, even Stevenage. I can't sink low enough to wish anything like this even on them. All being well karma will sort things out soon enough.

 

[Essex2Wessex]

Disgraceful but given what we've seen with the punishments meted out to other clubs, based it seems on how big those clubs are, unsurprising. Hope Macc sort themselves out and somehow get back up. A completely unjust decision.

 

[Chris FGR]

Disgusting.

 

[dannyc5]

Gutted for the Macc fans. It’s them and the low payed employees that this will effect the most. This has been coming for a few years though. For example, I know the season they got promoted from the NL they had to borrow paint from Crewe for the lines on the pitch, they were that skint. Also I know an employee who worked there until around 18 months ago, and they were never paid on time and when they walked out they were owed thousands. That took months to be resolved. I don’t think they would have been in a position to start next season anyway. For me it’s the right decision but it’s absolutely rotten.

And the less said about Stevenage the better.

Question is, who will go next? Because someone will go this season. Perhaps that disgrace of a club from Greater Manchester that have been splashing cash that they haven’t got in order to cheat the new financial rules.

Our game is full of crooks.

 

[valefan16]

Gutted for the Macc fans. It’s them and the low payed employees that this will effect the most. This has been coming for a few years though. For example, I know the season they got promoted from the NL they had to borrow paint from Crewe for the lines on the pitch, they were that skint. Also I know an employee who worked there until around 18 months ago, and they were never paid on time and when they walked out they were owed thousands. That took months to be resolved. I don’t think they would have been in a position to start next season anyway. For me it’s the right decision but it’s absolutely rotten.

And the less said about Stevenage the better.

Question is, who will go next? Because someone will go this season. Perhaps that disgrace of a club from Greater Manchester that have been splashing cash that they haven’t got in order to cheat the new financial rules.

Our game is full of crooks.

There is a few candidates although seems to be a lot of concern about Charlton with their appeal due.

Wigan, Southend and Oldham seem to have a lot to sort out too.

If fans can’t get back soon into grounds in good numbers I envisage the list will grow. Again makes me feel lucky we got saved just in time all be it Smurf did always pay the bills and wages.

League Two relegation resolved with two clubs effectively kicked out the EFL, one Championship club relegated with point reductions, one L1 club as above kicked out and one massive point deductions with another down on a vote.
What a mess!

 

[The_Boss]

Also don't forget not all our points deductions were for late payment of wages, some were for failing to fulfil fixtures. However Bolton who did the same spanning two seasons, didn't get a deduction. Not a slant at Bolton just another example of why this feels very much like a witch hunt.

 

[chipmunx]

Stevenag can point to 96 all they want, we had the same fate the year before - even though Chester had previously used the Moss for football league matches. So in all honesty there has been a long standing dislike for Macc.

Hard to say much right now. Can't see the National League taking us in at this late stage.

there is a spare place in NLN or NLS if the NL don't take you. Probably straight to the NLN like they did with Boston.

 

[Blue Lion]

As I said earlier, though, a 17-point deduction would have relegated you even if they had applied the deduction after calculating the proper PPG total so they've kind of removed that argument altogether now. Macclesfield's PPG total should have been 44.76, Stevenage's was 28.11. So the now 17-point deduction would take Macclesfield down to 27.76 and below Stevenage even if they applied the PPG properly.

Whilst I'm pretty much resigned to relegation now, the argument would be that if PPG was done correctly then just having one point suspended would have kept us up. The previous panel were lenient by suspending all four of the points but today's panel went to the opposite extreme by deducting them all immediately. Wigan's administration aside, every other sanction this season has had at least one point suspended so we can rightly feel that we've been treated harshly compared to the more established clubs.

So if we had money to make a legal challenge (which we don't!) then we could say that the PPG was flawed and the points deduction too severe which are both fair points.

What a mess it all is!

 

[Minstermen central]

Sorry but this is just disgusting and not right,EFL is disgrace and screwed Macclesfield over.
Stevenage 100% deserve to go down,they would of been lowest ever points for a season and believe this coming from a York fan who got relegated under McNamara this takes some doing.
So a team who won 3 games all season stays up. Ridiculous why not promote Notts County if they are desperate to ruin Macclesfield.
Hope Stevenage get hammered every week next season,it’s just not right.