Mansfield 2017-18, 2018-19 choking inquiry

[Richard Cranium]

I've been told we have options on both so hopefully that is the case and hopefully if the budget isnt being slashed then both will sign extensions.

 

[Stringy]

I think JR has made a low risk, low cost decision which I'm fine with if the budget has been reduced. I am not setting the bar so high next season, I think play-offs will be a good effort but we should still be competitive.

Dempster, previously a good defender himself will inherit a good solid defence and a good defensive midfielder in Bishop, so all he needs to do is go out and find the attacking players to get the goals.

I wonder if Dempster will persevere with three at the back. I think he should as that's where his strongest players are.

 

[GTFCfish]

Of course Radford will back him, he’s a very patient man.

Spot on again, how do you do it Sherlock?

 

[TrinidadsNumberOne]

I just knew when we played Mansfield in March they wouldn't go up. We were a side pretty much down and out after 3 successive defeats and a draw had ended our realistic playoff hopes. Granted we came off the back of a 6-1 win before we played Mansfield, but our season was effectively dead by the time we rocked up at Field Mill.

We never looked like losing against a side that should've been going all out to defeat us. But, like MK Dons in January, they were far too pragmatic and seemed unable to cope with our counter attacks. So we ran out deserved winners.

A shame really, because in stark contrast, Mansfield were the best side I saw at Gresty Road by a mile this season. Very well organised, ruthlessly clinical and played some lovely football. But, given Flitcroft essentially bottled promotion, he had to be sacked given the expectations and budget. Bury were in turmoil and not getting paid and even they managed to see the job out...

 

[Indian Dan]

Did you actually ever have realistic play off hopes?

 

[TrinidadsNumberOne]

Did you actually ever have realistic play off hopes?

Given our impressive form from Boxing Day till the end of February we got ourselves into contention. And then it all went to pot before we teased, went to pot and teased again.

 

[AdamStag]

We need a plan b next season up top, I don’t see Davies being it.

I wonder whether Danny will thrive again now flitcroft has gone

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

Spot on again, how do you do it Sherlock?

Extra extra read all about it:

Onefootballforum poster wrongly predicts something about football shocker!!

Yup, never seen that before on this forum other than every other day

 

[spireite]

Well Radford said he gave Steve Evans £2.5m so a educated guess would be pushing £3m maybe.

Holy FUCK. £3m, really?! That sounds like a top of League 1 budget that. Crikey I had no idea you were spending that much. Has the money ran out now, hence they've made a low cost appointment?

 

[Conker]

Holy FUCK. £3m, really?! That sounds like a top of League 1 budget that. Crikey I had no idea you were spending that much. Has the money ran out now, hence they've made a low cost appointment?

Obviously non-league has messed ya up then mate.

It’s a top three L2 budget last season probably not be this season coming up, and a educated guess like I said - that’s probably the absolute top end. I’m not sure re L1 but I doubt that touches the top 10.

Notts County were quoted at around £3m and I don’t even know if that includes the probable £500,000 in transfer fees so go figure.

Edit - I found a article with a interview from the Radford in February this year and £2.5 is still quoted.

 

[Enzo Scifo's Right Foot]

Why is anybody surprised ? Radford is bankrolling Mansfield ! It’s hardly new news . . Top 3 in this league , probably mid table in league above .

Nobody on here actually knows , just regurgitating reported figures and making guesstimates . Never forget that people just people guessing .

 

[Luke Imp]

Holy FUCK. £3m, really?! That sounds like a top of League 1 budget that. Crikey I had no idea you were spending that much. Has the money ran out now, hence they've made a low cost appointment?

It sounds nothing like a top of L1 budget given the likes of Sunderland, Portsmouth, Charlton, Barnsley etc are there!

 

[Conker]

Why is anybody surprised ? Radford is bankrolling Mansfield ! It’s hardly new news . . Top 3 in this league , probably mid table in league above .

Nobody on here actually knows , just regurgitating reported figures and making guesstimates . Never forget that people just people guessing .

Alan Hardy is literally on record saying the budget is over £3m and it’s probably bigger than half of L1 and that was in December, similarly the Radfords have been quoted more than once with the £2.5m figure so it’s actually a case of do you believe them? Alan Hardy is clearly not a trustworthy character, to be fair.

 

[Enzo Scifo's Right Foot]

Don’t want to burst any bubbles here but what is said to the press and at fans forums etc. is often not the truth . It can be advantageous depending on the scenario to inflate or deflate football figures . I’ve seen it done both ways it’s not hard to spot , reporting certain figures serves a specific purpose .

Has only £2.5m been quoted or reported for Mansfield ? No other figure I highly doubt it .

If someone showed me the audited accounts in person and it showed Mansfield as £3m and Notts at £3.5m , I would have no problem believing both . Sounds about right looking at the squads and both aren’t supported by crowds or total income no matter how much off field additional income .

Alan Hardy speaks untruths no doubt about it . He isn’t alone . More than one person can exaggerate or the alternative figures , it’s allowed .

 

[T.A]

Holy FUCK. £3m, really?! That sounds like a top of League 1 budget that. Crikey I had no idea you were spending that much. Has the money ran out now, hence they've made a low cost appointment?

Top end league 1 is more like 4-6 million+

 

[spireite]

Obviously non-league has messed ya up then mate.

It’s a top three L2 budget last season probably not be this season coming up, and a educated guess like I said - that’s probably the absolute top end. I’m not sure re L1 but I doubt that touches the top 10.

Notts County were quoted at around £3m and I don’t even know if that includes the probable £500,000 in transfer fees so go figure.

Edit - I found a article with a interview from the Radford in February this year and £2.5 is still quoted.

When we were in this league our budget was 1.2m-1.5m circa I'm pretty sure, and we've won this league on that kind of budget. 3m seems like insane spending, especially given your crowds. Things must have gone absolutely bonkers in the last year if that's considered league two budget!

 

[Conker]

When we were in this league our budget was 1.2m-1.5m circa I'm pretty sure, and we've won this league on that kind of budget. 3m seems like insane spending, especially given your crowds. Things must have gone absolutely bonkers in the last year if that's considered league two budget!

Well according to your lot it topped £1.4m for ya this season in non-league so that seems unbelievably conservative

 

[leedsvaliant]

How do these budgets get around financial fair play? It seems that there's a lot of cheating going on.

 

[Indian Dan]

FFP doesn’t really exist in the nether regions, owners can put money into their club as long as the ‘loan’ isn’t legally the club’s.

So, in effect, if an owner puts £1m into his club and the club goes into meltdown that £1m isn’t the club’s debt. Tough shit for the owner.

Also, owners sponsoring a stand or somesuch gets round it as well.

Think the rules change as you go up the leagues. The higher you go the harder they make it for any ‘smaller’ club to compete. So you end up with the PL closed shop.

 

[spireite]

Well according to your lot it topped £1.4m for ya this season in non-league so that seems unbelievably conservative

1m this year I think

 

[Conker]

How do these budgets get around financial fair play? It seems that there's a lot of cheating going on.

In non-league there is no FFP so Chesterfield can just scrape by a £1.4m budget by fiddling numbers

 

[Conker]

1m this year I think

£1.4m according to Bobs board, £1m the season coming up.

Either way the season you went down you were third in agent fees which is usually a good thing to go off!

 

[spireite]

£1.4m according to Bobs board, £1m the season coming up.

Either way the season you went down you were third in agent fees which is usually a good thing to go off!

Well last season we still had most of the L2 team that took us down on the books, so that's not the best thing to go by. That will have been our budget in L2 the season previous as well. My main point is we've never gotten remotely close to a 3m fricking budget which seems totally outside your means. Shave a million off and it's still a hell of a lot.

 

[Son of Cod]

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[Indian Dan]

Mr Radford is batting well above his average there.

And all those hunky young players about, too.

 

[Luke Imp]

When we were in this league our budget was 1.2m-1.5m circa I'm pretty sure, and we've won this league on that kind of budget. 3m seems like insane spending, especially given your crowds. Things must have gone absolutely bonkers in the last year if that's considered league two budget!

I'd be skeptical about your budget being that with the squad you had that season.

 

[spireite]

I'd be skeptical about your budget being that with the squad you had that season.

Why are you skeptical, have you got an enormous budget you're trying to use whataboutism to distract from too or something? It was a big squad no question but I don't think we had that many big earners. Slashed for this next season too. We've definitely won league two with a budget well south of 2m in the past aswell, which makes it more baffling that Mansfield couldn't go up with a league one budget. That sounds like a 'going all in' budget to me.

 

[Luke Imp]

In fact, I've just found the accounts and it shows nearly £4m cash being put in that season (via share purchase) and wages of circa £3.3m, which club staff, not just footballing staff.

If you go one step further and try and compare on a like for like basis using the pricing index (B of E) - £3.3m in 2011 is the equivalent to £4m now, which, I suspect, is about on par with the top of L2 today.

 

[Luke Imp]

Why are you skeptical, have you got an enormous budget you're trying to use whataboutism to distract from too or something? It was a big squad no question but I don't think we had that many big earners. Slashed for this next season too. We've definitely won league two with a budget well south of 2m in the past aswell, which makes it more baffling that Mansfield couldn't go up with a league one budget. That sounds like a 'going all in' budget to me.

I have no interest in Mansfield. I'm a Lincoln fan - we went up.

 

[spireite]

I have no interest in Mansfield. I'm a Lincoln fan - we went up.

Luke Imp: *mic drop*