MK Dons

[Robie]

I'm just relieved that this recurring conversation will be taking place in the League 2 forum now.

 

[Meadow]

I'm just relieved that this recurring conversation will be taking place in the League 2 forum now.

I'm fed up with it. No-one's going to change their stance. Which is why I'll be keeping my gloating away from this forum if we stay up.

 

[BetterCallSaul]

I'm fed up with it. No-one's going to change their stance. Which is why I'll be keeping my gloating away from this forum if we stay up.

You’ll definitely stay up, be shocked if you didn’t. Will Ardley still be in charge next year?

 

[Meadow]

You’ll definitely stay up, be shocked if you didn’t. Will Ardley still be in charge next year?

No idea. He won't be sacked but he's looking more and more stressed out as the months go by.

 

[Gassy]

Tbf, I'd rather people in Milton Keynes support MK Don's rather than Man Utd/Liverpool/Man City/Arsenal etc - even if they did join in an embarrassing way, hate the club, not the fans - they've done nothing. Nothing wrong with going to watch the sport you love when it's on your door step.

Not quite sure how this thread got into an in depth conversation about buses & Nazi's but Bobbin's comparison was clearly a joke. Let's move on gents?

 

[WhiteRussian]

Tbf, I'd rather people in Milton Keynes support MK Don's rather than Man Utd/Liverpool/Man City/Arsenal etc - even if they did join in an embarrassing way, hate the club, not the fans - they've done nothing. Nothing wrong with going to watch the sport you love when it's on your door step.

That won't happen properly for a generation or 2. Too many Londoners living here. My local on a Staurday/Sunday is full of Arsenal and Chelsea fans who probably encourage their kids to be Arsenal and Chelasea fans. Plus when you add in the normal smattering of other prem club 'supporters' it easy to see why we have hit a glass ceiling for support in league matches. My grand daughters father is a Spurs fan so she's a Spurs fan even though she's seen MK Dons more with me than she has ever seen Spurs.

 

[womble76]

All I can say is enjoy it while you can, Wimbledon fans.

Time moves quickly in football and I suspect MK will continue to have larger resources than you. Their players by all accounts have thrown in the towel this season and yet their attendance against Scunny on Saturday was 9578 while your last home game v Oldham for a relegation six pointer attracted 4850.

So many teams have gone in to administration and had to restart and the old Wimbledon was heavily in debt and dying on its feet. I remember them selling Agyemang to us for a knock down price to keep their head above water.

I am not saying that MK should have had the instant entry to the league but would Hammam's idea of playing home games in Ireland have been any better?

I just have this niggling suspicion that next season MK will be winning games and chasing promotion while Wimbledon will continue to fight Relegation, as will we. Our fans are pretty deluded about our "potential" too as our gates are similar to Wimbledon and that is the bottom line in the long run.

You do realise Oldham was sold out and that is pretty much our max..

 

[DippyDon]

Absolute nonsense! Since when has re-location to another town 60 miles away been the solution to a failing club? NEVER is the answer. "The worst possible way" is administration and liquidation, as has happened to a good few clubs recently, my own being among the first. I can tell you if we'd been offered the "opportunity" of extinction or relocation to another town, the "benefactors" would have been given a short, sharp answer. Attendances had "plummeted" to 6/7000 at the time the decision was made. Big deal, that's more than enough for L1/L2, and so what if they fell to 2/3000? They survived easily enough on that before their rise up the leagues. The simple truth is that Wimbledon were in the process of returning to their natural level, after a period of astonishing and unprecedented success for a club of their size. They would have "cut their cloth" as this reality sank in. This should have been of no concern at all to anyone living in Milton Keynes. What Wankerman did was immoral on so many levels it's hard to imagine why anyone would try to justify it.

Natural level? After that amount of time at the top I'd argue that the first division/prem was their natural level, or else what is the point of football if you've can never grow?
Wimbledon couldn't afford to stay at Selhurst Park. Merton didn't want them. The fans had long gone and Milton Keynes was its only option other than dying. It's not our fault that the fans didn't buy the club, instead they started anew, debt free.
Before anyone tells me they never got a chance, does anyone truly believe that a decent enough bid for the club wouldn't have been considered when Pete was offered it for a pound at the last minute?

 

[gary]

Its about time you moved onto the league 2 forum dippydon !!!!!

 

[B2TF]

Natural level? After that amount of time at the top I'd argue that the first division/prem was their natural level, or else what is the point of football if you've can never grow?
Wimbledon couldn't afford to stay at Selhurst Park. Merton didn't want them. The fans had long gone and Milton Keynes was its only option other than dying. It's not our fault that the fans didn't buy the club, instead they started anew, debt free.
Before anyone tells me they never got a chance, does anyone truly believe that a decent enough bid for the club wouldn't have been considered when Pete was offered it for a pound at the last minute?

Again, you're talking tosh to justify the unjustifiable. ALL clubs have a natural level, determined largely by their potential supporter base. What is not often remarked about the Wimbledon story is how much money the chairman was throwing in to sustain them 2 leagues above what most would consider their home division, at best. At the time the decision was made, they were pulling in 6/7000, as someone else pointed out above, the support dropped off AFTER the decision was made to move, and even then it was no less than they were getting when they set out on their great journey. Merton wanted them very much- MERTON COUNCIL did not. Milton Keynes was NEVER a solution to their problem. The fans started anew AFTER their club was taken away from them. If Wankerman hadn't got his wallet out, the club would have cut its cloth to suit its reduced circumstances, in exactly the same way that clubs always do. If he'd taken the option that Wimbledon fans ultimately had to take, i.e. start with a new club at the bottom of the pyramid, MK could have got into the league in the proper manner by now and nobody would have any issues with it. As things are, the city has a coveted place in the greatest league in the world, that they have not earned. As you, or someone else, said above, he has poisoned MK fans relationship with the rest of the football fraternity and they will never be accepted as equals or brothers. Please don't waste any more of my time trying to justify what cannot be justified, nobody is buying any of it.

 

[DippyDon]

Again, you're talking tosh to justify the unjustifiable. ALL clubs have a natural level, determined largely by their potential supporter base. What is not often remarked about the Wimbledon story is how much money the chairman was throwing in to sustain them 2 leagues above what most would consider their home division, at best. At the time the decision was made, they were pulling in 6/7000, as someone else pointed out above, the support dropped off AFTER the decision was made to move, and even then it was no less than they were getting when they set out on their great journey. Merton wanted them very much- MERTON COUNCIL did not. Milton Keynes was NEVER a solution to their problem. The fans started anew AFTER their club was taken away from them. If Wankerman hadn't got his wallet out, the club would have cut its cloth to suit its reduced circumstances, in exactly the same way that clubs always do. If he'd taken the option that Wimbledon fans ultimately had to take, i.e. start with a new club at the bottom of the pyramid, MK could have got into the league in the proper manner by now and nobody would have any issues with it. As things are, the city has a coveted place in the greatest league in the world, that they have not earned. As you, or someone else, said above, he has poisoned MK fans relationship with the rest of the football fraternity and they will never be accepted as equals or brothers. Please don't waste any more of my time trying to justify what cannot be justified, nobody is buying any of it.

1) the constant use of 'Wankerman' is amusing. I love it.
2) they started the club over a year before the move to Milton Keynes.
3) We could have, and we'd all have preferred to do it that way, but we didn't and it is what it is. It was 15 years ago and after Kingston brought 3,500 fans to a boycott, those feelings on us now are fairly outdated and 'bandwagon'. Albeit it makes me laugh.

Its about time you moved onto the league 2 forum dippydon !!!!!

We still have a game left gary, but I am on both forums

 

[womble76]

1) the constant use of 'Wankerman' is amusing. I love it.
2) they started the club over a year before the move to Milton Keynes.
3) We could have, and we'd all have preferred to do it that way, but we didn't and it is what it is. It was 15 years ago and after Kingston brought 3,500 fans to a boycott, those feelings on us now are fairly outdated and 'bandwagon'. Albeit it makes me laugh.


We still have a game left gary, but I am on both forums

On point 2 we started the club when the move was given the green light and we were told there was no way back. So point 2 is where you are wrong in the main. However o don't expect you to change your view so this is the last I will reply on this tedious thread.

 

[SF_]

Season we went up, MK Dons finished 2nd and we beat Chesterfield & Swindon in the play-offs.

Chesterfield are now relegated to the Conference, Swindon are mid-table in League Two and now MK Dons are joining them.

Was only 3 seasons ago.

 

[Limerick Mariner]

Unless you mean the move to Selhurst Park, I can't agree. How else can you explain games like that famous Everton one? 3,000 or so wasn't there?


Question for you, have you been to Old Trafford? Or Highbury/The Emirates, or Upton Park/London Stadium?

OT once and never again unless GTFC are playing there. Highbury and Upton to watch GTFC. I don't watch Prem Football even on TV, at the top level I prefer rugby...

 

[DippyDon]

OT once and never again unless GTFC are playing there. Highbury and Upton to watch GTFC. I don't watch Prem Football even on TV, at the top level I prefer rugby...

Why would you go there? They're all the same as MK but just did their damage to their former local communities 100 years ago or more.

 

[Limerick Mariner]

Why would you go there? They're all the same as MK but just did their damage to their former local communities 100 years ago or more.

Shit you are right, come to think of it GTFC deserted Grimsby 120 years ago, leaving the town without a professional football club; just because Cleethorpes had a "nice" beach, a pier, donkey rides (there have been many donkeys at Blundell Park over the years) and probably a better class of prostitute.

I think I'll support Hull City from now on...they would never move to Bridlington...

 

[Luke_ciderhead]

Nothing personal against any MK Dons fans and I think it's silly not to have moved on all this time.. but let's face it, AFCW ending up a division above the club that stole their league place is a wonderful story of karma and poetic justice and one that most football fans are going to enjoy immensely. They'll just have to grin and bear it.

 

[Boletus Edulis]

This debate is proof that football is as much an emotional concept as a game, and we fans are illogical sometimes as a result. I still consider Arsenal traitors to south London, and they moved north decades before I was born. Mind you I was brought up in Arsenal Road so that may explain my prejudice.

 

[Etienne Vermeer]

This debate is proof that football is as much an emotional concept as a game, and we fans are illogical sometimes as a result. I still consider Arsenal traitors to south London, and they moved north decades before I was born. Mind you I was brought up in Arsenal Road so that may explain my prejudice.

I guess we're equal traitors for abandoning the Isle back in 1910

Also: Eltham? I used to work around the corner from Arsenal on Westmount.

 

[KeithH]

Winkelman bitchin about Bury fans singing cone on you whites and throwing the racist card at us, twat deserves all the shit thrown at him. His club can rot in hell as long as it takes the prat with him.

 

[Boletus Edulis]

I guess we're equal traitors for abandoning the Isle back in 1910

Also: Eltham? I used to work around the corner from Arsenal on Westmount.

Yes, Eltham. I should have supported Charlton but went to Upton Park and The old Den more often.

My memory of which one is Westmount may be flawed (crossing Rowcester Way going up to the High Street, parallel to Well Hall?). My school was Gordon which obviously is close by and we used to play school matches on Eltham Park South, so used to nip by the train station (that is no more). I recollect a church and a parade of shops including a baker (I remember buying live yeast for my mum), a barbers and I think a hard ware store where we sometimes got paraffin. So are you a Vicar, cut hair or sell bits and bobs?

 

[Etienne Vermeer]

Yes, Eltham. I should have supported Charlton but went to Upton Park and The old Den more often.

My memory of which one is Westmount may be flawed (crossing Rowcester Way going up to the High Street, parallel to Well Hall?). My school was Gordon which obviously is close by and we used to play school matches on Eltham Park South, so used to nip by the train station (that is no more). I recollect a church and a parade of shops including a baker (I remember buying live yeast for my mum), a barbers and I think a hard ware store where we sometimes got paraffin. So are you a Vicar, cut hair or sell bits and bobs?

Haha no I used to deliver the post in a former life, Eltham Park north of the railway line was my patch (including Gordon school). I trained around Arsenal though.

On topic, I guess I’m not sad about MK. It’s as close as you’ll get in England to how sports are here in the States.

 

[iWomble]

Winkelman bitchin about Bury fans singing cone on you whites and throwing the racist card at us, twat deserves all the shit thrown at him. His club can rot in hell as long as it takes the prat with him.

Cheer up seedy Pete. Oh what can it mean? To be a club-stealing bastard with a League Two football team.

 

[Paddy]

The ones about our form and stuff I'll agree with, it's these sort that you see all over Twitter too that just make me laugh. Mainly people just jumping on the bandwagon not knowing what happened.

Or not knowing what happened after what happened

 

[The Southbank]

Shit, nothing club, hope they go bust. Why couldn't the local population have turned up in similar numbers to support whatever non-league team was in the area before?

 

[ThisTinpotLeague]

Shit, nothing club, hope they go bust. Why couldn't the local population have turned up in similar numbers to support whatever non-league team was in the area before?

How many non league clubs get 8000 fans without any football history?

 

[The Southbank]

How many non league clubs get 8000 fans without any football history?

Oxford?

 

[Railway Blue]

You do realise Oldham was sold out and that is pretty much our max..

When's your new ground ready Womble?

 

[DippyDon]

Attendance dick waving is all fun, but it can't really be used until AFC have a bad season in their new ground for a decent comparison.

 

[ThisTinpotLeague]

Oxford?

a Reading fan trying to be relevant to someone somewhere