Night of the Werewolves - The Legend of Black Shuck

[Stagat]

If people have accepted the tinker's death as evidence that your mayor and his Circle of Trust™ are legit, then we're kind of waiting for direction from him. Even more so than before actually.

 

[Spirederman]

I'm sorry but I have to agree with most of The Farmer's points here.

Why did you wait until just before the deadline to start voting for Ciderhead, Steady, knowing full well there wasn't enough time to get any sort of bandwagon rolling, and safe in the knowledge that Ciderhead wouldn't get voted off?

 

[last request]

Good that people are making their suspicions known and getting reactions from people, but we still don't need to rush into any executions. There were no kills on the first 2 nights which has bought us time. For now let's keep building the circle of trust. The Seer is alive and well and the COT will have concrete answers for you in due course.

No execution.

 

[Steady]

I'm sorry but I have to agree with most of The Farmer's points here.

Why did you wait until just before the deadline to start voting for Ciderhead, Steady, knowing full well there wasn't enough time to get any sort of bandwagon rolling, and safe in the knowledge that Ciderhead wouldn't get voted off?

Having answered this question three times now I'm growing rather bored of it. Here you go:

I felt that consecutive execution votes for Tom and Lee were suspicious, especially considering most others are content with voting no execution until we hear anything concrete.

I waited until just before the deadline as I was busy throughout most of the day and it was the first chance I'd had to catch up with the village events. Did I think he'd be executed? No. Did I want to gauge his reaction and the reaction of others? Yes. Was it the best advised move thus far? No, and I openly accepted that when I voted him for execution.

I'm more than happy to allow the CoT and the seer to go about things, but it's easy to get restless and want to help, which is precisely what my collating of that list was intended to do. If you believe my reasons were different, that's fine, but it's also incredibly counter-active. Are we going to point the finger at anyone who tries to do some research off their own back? Not the most encouraging thing I've encountered thus far.

 

[Spirederman]

Having answered this question three times now I'm growing rather bored of it. Here you go:



I waited until just before the deadline as I was busy throughout most of the day and it was the first chance I'd had to catch up with the village events. Did I think he'd be executed? No. Did I want to gauge his reaction and the reaction of others? Yes. Was it the best advised move thus far? No, and I openly accepted that when I voted him for execution.

I'm more than happy to allow the CoT and the seer to go about things, but it's easy to get restless and want to help, which is precisely what my collating of that list was intended to do. If you believe my reasons were different, that's fine, but it's also incredibly counter-active. Are we going to point the finger at anyone who tries to do some research off their own back? Not the most encouraging thing I've encountered thus far.

Just my own observations, and my suspicions about how I think you're behaving quite erratically, giving me reason to vote you for execution.
You'll notice I haven't left it until the last minute, like yourself, and if this throws suspicion on me, So be it.

 

[Magic]

Got to say, I feel quite bad 'cos I do find Cider a bit suspicious, but the act of late in the day (when it was highly unlikely to lead anywhere), starting a bandwagon could have been a ruse. It is a valid thought.

 

[JonBCFC]

I'm not sure I understand this suspicion on Steady, I'm of the opinion he was right to be suspicious of Cider. After all, he was all to willing to sacrifice 2 different people when the popular opinion was a non execution.

I'm going to follow the mayors lead and say NO EXECUTION. I think we need to trust the circle of trust to suss out the wolves.

 

[Mr Elmo]

I agree with Jon, I don't really understand the suspicion of steady. He decided to vote for cider because of his actions so far - Which I can understand where he comes from. There is nothing else you can read into it.

I vote no execution. We need to keep the CoT going and keep as many members as we can as we continue to work things out.

 

[Steady]

I'm not sure I understand this suspicion on Steady, I'm of the opinion he was right to be suspicious of Cider. After all, he was all to willing to sacrifice 2 different people when the popular opinion was a non execution.

I'm going to follow the mayors lead and say NO EXECUTION. I think we need to trust the circle of trust to suss out the wolves.

I agree with Jon, I don't really understand the suspicion of steady. He decided to vote for cider because of his actions so far - Which I can understand where he comes from. There is nothing else you can read into it.

I vote no execution. We need to keep the CoT going and keep as many members as we can as we continue to work things out.

Much appreciated support, gents. I understand questions will - and should - be asked of me for being the first to vote for Cider, but there's been no effort to question why he garnered three or four votes from others. If I was the only one to vote for him I'd understand suspicions, but this seems like a bandwagon in itself.

Spire: is the only difference in your vote for me to be executed and my vote for Cider to be executed the timing? Is that literally it, because I voted an hour before the deadline? Would I be naive enough to think that wouldn't throw a huge amount of suspicion on me? I've explained my decisions over voting Cider time and time again (he'd voted TWO separate people to be executed and is coming in for no other questioning, and I wanted to check reactions), so if the majority say I need to be executed based on that, go for it.

 

[Ciderhead]

Got to say, I'm not following the logic of Stringy and Spirederman at all here. And I find it strange the people who were criticial of me being over-eager to execute are now happy to go against Steady with such little foundation.

 

[RavenBish]

Everyone stop fighting, this is what the wolves want. Divide and conquer, we must stick together.

 

[Spirederman]

I never criticised you for being over eager to execute, although it was suspicious,and seeing as though currently I'm the only one to vote Steady for execution, I gather it's me you mean Cider?

I've also never voted for anyone to be executed prior to this, so I can't really be accused of being over presumptuous.

I've given my reasons why I have voted for Steady, make of it what you will.

I must ask though Cider, why the sudden reluctance to condemn someone after your over eagerness in voting for now confirmed innocent villagers to be executed previously?

Know something we don't??

 

[Spirederman]

Much appreciated support, gents. I understand questions will - and should - be asked of me for being the first to vote for Cider, but there's been no effort to question why he garnered three or four votes from others. If I was the only one to vote for him I'd understand suspicions, but this seems like a bandwagon in itself.

Spire: is the only difference in your vote for me to be executed and my vote for Cider to be executed the timing? Is that literally it, because I voted an hour before the deadline? Would I be naive enough to think that wouldn't throw a huge amount of suspicion on me? I've explained my decisions over voting Cider time and time again (he'd voted TWO separate people to be executed and is coming in for no other questioning, and I wanted to check reactions), so if the majority say I need to be executed based on that, go for it.

As you'll see above Steady, I have now questioned Cider on his previous actions.

Both of you are very shady characters.

 

[Steady]

And I find it strange the people who were criticial of me being over-eager to execute are now happy to go against Steady with such little foundation.

Completely agree.

I've also never voted for anyone to be executed prior to this, so I can't really be accused of being over presumptuous.

The exact same stood for me prior to voting, so is it just the timing of my vote?

 

[TomPNE94]

No execution

 

[Spirederman]

Completely agree.



The exact same stood for me prior to voting, so is it just the timing of my vote?

The timing of your vote, and the other things that have raised my suspicions that I mentioned in my Steady For Execution post.

 

[Spirederman]

Completely agree.



The exact same stood for me prior to voting, so is it just the timing of my vote?

Steady, what do you agree with regarding what Cider has said, seeing as though you were previously voting for his execution?

What he has said is wrong anyway. I haven't once criticised him for his vote. So who are these people he has mentioned that were critical of him previously, who now seem so quick to condemn you without foundation?As I'm certainly not in that bracket.

 

[HarvSFC]

Since my mind failed me over Lee, I'm going to recharge and reevaluate for a bit. No execution

 

[Steady]

Spirederman

After voting for Lee...

Why on earth would we move this early in the game and before we are certain? There are more of us innocent than killers. We can afford to be patient. We have more to lose by making executions than waiting. Completely bizarre.

After voting for Tom...

You like throwing your execution vote around don't you! First Tom the other day, now me. Still haven't forgotten yours and JoeJoeJoe's near instantaneous agreement over killing the other day. Interesting.

Stringy has, of course, been one of the most vocal against me today. Lee hasn't questioned me for obvious reasons, but I personally would've thought that his views would be similar to that of the CoT.

 

[Ciderhead]

I never criticised you for being over eager to execute, although it was suspicious,and seeing as though currently I'm the only one to vote Steady for execution, I gather it's me you mean Cider?

I've also never voted for anyone to be executed prior to this, so I can't really be accused of being over presumptuous.

I've given my reasons why I have voted for Steady, make of it what you will.

I must ask though Cider, why the sudden reluctance to condemn someone after your over eagerness in voting for now confirmed innocent villagers to be executed previously?

Know something we don't??

I've explained my reasoning for my previous actions many times. I just find this utterly bizarre. I genuinely don't understand what Steady's done to bring about this suspicion (And I'm the one he bloody voted for!). So he voted for me a bit late. What's a wolf gaining from doing that exactly? And the other points: he put up a list of who'd voted what; he responds when people question him? Seriously, that's what you're basing it on?!

And looking back you weren't one of the ones criticizing me to be fair. It was this post from Stringy that came to mind:

Why on earth would we move this early in the game and before we are certain? There are more of us innocent than killers. We can afford to be patient. We have more to lose by making executions than waiting. Completely bizarre.

 

[Spirederman]

Fair enough then, in terms of Stringy, but remember he hasn't even voted you for execution. AFAIK I'm the only one who has, and I drew my own conclusions, not on the things Stringy was saying.

 

[Steady]

I didn't find the time to properly analyse your post before either Spire, so here goes...

Right, after taking the last half an hour or so to read back through this thread, I just want to provide you with a few of my own observations, given the happenings in this thread in the last hour or so.
Steady was extremely quick to make lists earlier on in the thread about who had voted in the Mayoral Elections, and who hadn't exercised their vote for execution/no execution. Too much??
He's also on several occasions throughout the thread, been very quick to jump in and try and be oh so helpful, when anyone has had a query. Too eager to please??
What has really aroused my suspicions are 2 things though. (1) Asking the question in thread if it's been confirmed how many wolves there are in the game.He could have just gone to page 1 and checked. Why didn't he?? When previously being so helpful to others asking questions? Again, too eager to be seemingly innocent??
(2)This following post on page 23...

"Aha, cheers gents. Certainly gives Stagat's point plenty of credence in that all three of Lee, Tom and LR are incredibly unlikely to be the wolves. While I have doubts over all of them, I'm not certain we've got enough to go on."

After claiming we hadn't got enough to go on, to then shortly before the deadline vote for Ciderhead96, is the behaviour of someone torn between 2 persona for me. He may have meant he had nothing to go on regarding Lee,Tom and LR, and I'm sure he'll claim that's the case. I have extreme doubts about his intentions though.

With all this in mind, I'm going to go on a hunch, and ignore the Mayor's plea for patience.

I've explained why I feel the point over lists is wrong. Are we disencouraging (not a word) active research? As I said, I'm happy to trust the CoT, but surely anything extra would be helpful?

I think once in the thread I was 'quick to jump in' and help, and that was with Cider (I think) when he asked what the angel was. About three other people replied almost straight after me, but they don't come in for questioning. Again, it's very weird and very hypocritical. I'll assume that no-one else will be asking questions in this thread again for fear of being branded a wolf.

And on that point, my question about the number of wolves was simply a case of me being lazy I suppose. I've been in numerous positions where my village has been pillaged by wolves (don't read into this!), so I didn't read any of the rules on how we live at all. People have been asking questions all the way through, and yet I'm the one who gets not only questioned, but voted for execution. Again, hypocritical.

If you can find a case of me answering more than one question then fair enough, I'll hold my hand up to that. When everyone else has done it though, it's strange to point the finger at me. Too easy, perhaps.

I claimed we hadn't got enough to go on because we hadn't. Then, a few moments later, Cider voted Lee for execution. That, to me, was something to go on, given my previous suspicions. Four more people voted for him after me.[/QUOTE]

 

[Spirederman]

I've explained my reasoning for my previous actions many times. I just find this utterly bizarre. I genuinely don't understand what Steady's done to bring about this suspicion (And I'm the one he bloody voted for!). So he voted for me a bit late. What's a wolf gaining from doing that exactly? And the other points: he put up a list of who'd voted what; he responds when people question him? Seriously, that's what you're basing it on?!

And looking back you weren't one of the ones criticizing me to be fair. It was this post from Stringy that came to mind:

I'm basing it on the erratic nature of his posts, along with the things you mentioned. He went from calling (albeit in jest probably) people everything from a c*** to a Nobhorn, to trying to be so eager to please. Something just doesn't add up, as far as I'm concerned. Hey, that's just me though.

 

[Ciderhead]

Anyway, I've made it clear I don't feel we stand anything to gain from an execution vote this time, and am now willing to let the COT do their work for the timebeing. No execution

 

[Spirederman]

I take your points on board Steady, but my position remains firm at this current time.

 

[last request]

Okay the short of this is that when Tom said there was a new member of the circle of trust earlier, that was a ruse. The Seer actually did investigate Steady and he was found to be a Wolf!!!

Now Spire, Stringy & Magic were all on board with this plan, and have known Steady to be guilty since midday today. All 3 are not necessarily in the COT (we didn't have enough in the COT so we had to enlist help from players not in the COT we thought most likely to be innocent). The ruse was to see if anybody else jumped on the Steady bandwagon (making them look innocent) or tried to make a case against voting for Steady (making them look guilty). Not full proof and I'm not saying that anyone that has done the latter is a nailed on Wolf of course. There have been some interesting reactions though.

With that said it leaves with the formality of saying:

Unvote

Steady for execution

 

[TomPNE94]

Unvote

Steady for execution.

 

[Spirederman]

Oooooh,fancy that!!!

 

[Stagat]

Steady

Discouraging, surely?

 

[Aberstone]

Steady for execution.