PO Semi 2nd Leg: Wycombe v Argyle - 14/05/15 1945hrs @ Adams Park (Agg 3-2)

[wilsontown]

I know the answer probably is they have been better but fromt he game I seen against them vs Carlisle and the bits from Play-off games I have to ask how on earth did Plymouth get into the top 7???

they look so so far below quality that I sort';ve cannot believe they got in.

did they lose key players or just hit a poor form at wrong time? or has L2 been extremely poor outside the top 5?

I think it's that League 2 has been extremely poor. Let's face it, the entire division is filled with shite from top to bottom. The only teams I've seen that really impressed me have been Burton and Shrewsbury, who looked well-organised and half decent. Everyone else has been various shades of poor, and that's playing against York who have had 5 wins at home all season.

 

[mowgli]

Yeah, over two legs we must have had a shocking amount of shots on target. Not good enough to get through, and we didn't deserve to. Oh well. Truth be told, making the playoffs far exceeded my expectations for this season, so that in itself makes this season a good one for me. Sure, I could dream that we'd go all the way, but it never really felt like it could happen. Our problem for the last couple of years shone through again tonight; for me we just don't have players that are good enough. McCormick is actually the only player in the team that I'd be sad to leave. Yes, Reid got a lot of goals, but to me it still feels like more a fluke season that actually him being all that great.

I'd like to see Wycombe go all the way now. Good luck.

Cheers Oaf that's very decent of you when you must be feeling down after the result. Your fans deserve some praise for their vocal support even when 2-0 down on the night. I still can't believe we're going to Wembley and possibly up to League 1, what an incredible season we've had whatever happens in final.

 

[Chris]

Prefer Wycombe to come up myself

 

[LordJord]

Will Sheridan still be at Plymouth next season?

 

[Oaf]

Fair play to you.

I really thought Sheridan would have started with the line-up that got you back into the first leg, I overheard a couple of your fans moaning about his team selection on the train back to London.

To be fair many posters in this division seem to rate McCormick but I don't think he helped you tonight. I was bricking it when our goalie Ingram failed again to recover in time and we were left with a rookie in goal again, but again you didn't test him.

Yeah, I was really surprised to see Banton and Ansah left out. Those two changed the game last time around and I'd have thought that starting with them this time was a no brainer.

As for McCormick, he didn't do himself justice. That first goal last night was his own fault due to his shocking attempt to punch it and he wasn't great for the second either. He is usually better than that, he's just had a shit night.

I know the answer probably is they have been better but fromt he game I seen against them vs Carlisle and the bits from Play-off games I have to ask how on earth did Plymouth get into the top 7???

they look so so far below quality that I sort';ve cannot believe they got in.

did they lose key players or just hit a poor form at wrong time? or has L2 been extremely poor outside the top 5?

We just seem to be really hit and miss. We can either absolutely turn it on and look like we can beat anybody, or we can play like we played over these two legs and look useless.

 

[ArgyleEd]

Hit and miss is absolutely what we are, at times we've looked like real contenders but on our off days you'd think we were relegation candidates, there's very little in between and the off days come far too often for a team with any real promotion ambition. I did wonder during yesterday's truly miserable first half what any Luton fans watching would have thought, to have missed out on the play offs to the absolute shit out there so lacking in either ability or effort must have been deeply irritating. I don't think we'll sack Sheridan after that but, despite on paper this season seeming like a relatively good one with improvement on the pitch, I do think we should have done better with the team we had and I do think you cannot forgive two performances as bad as those we got in these two vital games. It's partly down to the players failing, perhaps wilting under pressure as we've done several times during big games under Sheridan, but you cannot get things as wrong as Sheridan did yesterday and get away with it, to start Reid and Alessandra again when both had been so ineffective in the first leg and Reid clearly miles off his best with his injury was baffling.

 

[TheWednesday]

Plymouth were absolutely woeful first half, improved 2nd half when the substitutes came on but left themselves too much to do. I think Sheridan should be kept on at Plymouth he's certainly progressed them. Wycombe look a very solid team, I fancy them to win the final.

 

[Oaf]

Seen so many arguements on my facebook with people moaning about Sheridan, and others coming to his defense. Yes, he cocked up yesterday with the starting line up, but sacking him would be madness in my view. He's done the best job any managers done down here for over half a decade or so... after so many seasons of disappointment, he's given us our first real season to be proud of. You get all these people moaning about the style of football we play being crap, but the last time we had a manager where people were doing that his name was Tony Pulis, and people don't really tend to moan about him these days...

Again, I put it down to the players. Not exactly due to desire or what not, just the simple fact that they aren't good enough to do the things we'd like to see them do. Hopefully this next transfer window will be the one where Sheridan can bring in some players who can take us all the way. With the right signings, I see no reason that we can't push for automatic promotion next year.

 

[Grecian O'Grecian]

I don't think Sheridan should be pushed out. Think about where you lot were when he took over. He's stabalised you and you've improved year on year under him.

7th place is a good season for Argyle.

 

[Oaf]

I don't think Sheridan should be pushed out. Think about where you lot were when he took over. He's stabalised you and you've improved year on year under him.

7th place is a good season for Argyle.

Exactly. We were in a massive rut when Holloway left us, and not even two managers with good records in Peter Reid and Paul Sturrock could dig us out of it. And then of course Mariner and Fletcher tried as well and failed, giving us four managers in a row who just couldn't do anything to stop our slide down the football league... finally we have a guy who's not just stopped it, but actually given us a playoff season. It's been our most successful season since Holloway took us to the FA Cup quarter finals and within touching distance of the Championship playoffs, and that feels like an age ago now. People saying they want Sheridan out just want too much too fast.

 

[Grecian O'Grecian]

Exactly. We were in a massive rut when Holloway left us, and not even two managers with good records in Peter Reid and Paul Sturrock could dig us out of it. And then of course Mariner and Fletcher tried as well and failed, giving us four managers in a row who just couldn't do anything to stop our slide down the football league... finally we have a guy who's not just stopped it, but actually given us a playoff season. It's been our most successful season since Holloway took us to the FA Cup quarter finals and within touching distance of the Championship playoffs, and that feels like an age ago now. People saying they want Sheridan out just want too much too fast.

Completely agree. By sticking with Sheridan, I expect you'll be moving up a league sooner rather than later

 

[3Loggerheads]

Yeah, over two legs we must have had a shocking amount of shots on target. Not good enough to get through, and we didn't deserve to. Oh well. Truth be told, making the playoffs far exceeded my expectations for this season, so that in itself makes this season a good one for me. Sure, I could dream that we'd go all the way, but it never really felt like it could happen. Our problem for the last couple of years shone through again tonight; for me we just don't have players that are good enough. McCormick is actually the only player in the team that I'd be sad to leave. Yes, Reid got a lot of goals, but to me it still feels like more a fluke season that actually him being all that great.

I'd like to see Wycombe go all the way now. Good luck.

As I said in an earlier thread, Plymouth put in a top class performance in the last game of the season v us and were never going to reproduce it in the play-offs.....peaked too early I am afraid!

 

[ArgyleEd]

I don't think Sheridan should be pushed out. Think about where you lot were when he took over. He's stabalised you and you've improved year on year under him.

7th place is a good season for Argyle.

7th place is a better season for us, I'm not sure you can call it a good one given what we had to work with. We've clearly got a good budget for this division and it's hardly been a vintage year in League Two in terms of quality, I really think we could have done better than limp into 7th place thanks to Luton's poor form. When this team plays well it's a real force and I know that all teams have ups and downs and you can't expect your best every match but I've not seen many sides that can look as good one week and as hopeless the next as we so often do. This team could have really challenged for promotion but didn't, that has to ultimately rest on the manager. I don't trust Sheridan's ability to change things when they're not working, to have gone over two years without coming from behind to win is not encouraging at all. He can't motivate the players, either to turn around a game or, painfully often, for the bigger occasions. So often we've seen us come out for a second half having done ok only to, right from the whistle, look like a much poorer side, I don't know what he does at half time but it seems to produce the opposite result that it should most times. I really don't wish to complain too much at what has certianly not been a bad season and I am trying to bear in mind the current disappointment of last night that will fade but I have no confidence that Sheridan got the most out of what we had this season or that he is capable of doing so next.

 

[thewwfc]

So often we've seen us come out for a second half having done ok only to, right from the whistle, look like a much poorer side, I don't know what he does at half time but it seems to produce the opposite result that it should most times.

Right. I seriously thought with your halftime sub frenzy and surely a halftime bollocking you'd have come roaring out of the gates second half...but...nope.

Really weird. And yeah you can blame the manager to an extent, but what kind of players look half-arsed when they might get a trip to Wembley out of putting in a shift? Even our traditionally laziest player (Ephraim) was putting himself about last night.

 

[mowgli]

Right. I seriously thought with your halftime sub frenzy and surely a halftime bollocking you'd have come roaring out of the gates second half...but...nope.

Really weird. And yeah you can blame the manager to an extent, but what kind of players look half-arsed when they might get a trip to Wembley out of putting in a shift? Even our traditionally laziest player (Ephraim) was putting himself about last night.

Thought Ephraim looked good at Adams Park, obviously wants to start at Wembley