Promotion odds

[kieran_vale]

Wikipedia say otherwise:
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Maybe so but if a club like say Bristol City get to claim they’ve existed since 1894 and not 1982 then we can have a valid claim on 1876.

 

[BarrieOwl]

Maybe so but if a club like say Bristol City get to claim they’ve existed since 1894 and not 1982 then we can have a valid claim on 1876.

Stoke claim 1863 but didn't play a game til 1868.....

 

[leedsvaliant]

Wikipedia say otherwise:
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I wouldn't trust Wikipedia with anything https://www.port-vale.co.uk/history/

 

[valefan16]

I wouldn't trust Wikipedia with anything https://www.port-vale.co.uk/history/

We resigned from the league in 1907 but re entered in 1919 when Leeds City went bust mid season and we took over their fixtures/results.

The 1879 is considered the most accurate date with 1876 disputed… the truth is no one is actually sure where we were formed and why we are called Port Vale!

 

[Si Robin]

Our formation date actually changed in the last 15 years or so when someone stumbled across an old Gloucestershire Echo article mentioning the formation of the club 5 years before we initially thought it was founded. It means that in 1992 we celebrated our centenary, then 20 years later we celebrated our 125th anniversary.

 

[DippyDon]

We’re finally old enough to buy a pint. Hallelujah

 

[Devon_Lad]

I see the 2021/22 lot keep saying the promoted teams are underestimating this league, lolz.

I think they're underestimating the promoted sides. Us, Vale & Rovers will all be comfortably top half, FGR not so.

Let them underestimate us at their peril, but I think we all know all our sides are much, much stronger than the Bolton side that was promoted the season before last, and they came 9th ffs.

I wouldn't be surprised if 2 of the 4 sides that are coming up make the play offs.

 

[FGR-Star]

I see the 2021/22 lot keep saying the promoted teams are underestimating this league, lolz.

I think they're underestimating the promoted sides. Us, Vale & Rovers will all be comfortably top half, FGR not so.

Let them underestimate us at their peril, but I think we all know all our sides are much, much stronger than the Bolton side that was promoted the season before last, and they came 9th ffs.

I wouldn't be surprised if 2 of the 4 sides that are coming up make the play offs.

Why FGR not so?

Pray tell.

 

[Bartonyellow]

I see the 2021/22 lot keep saying the promoted teams are underestimating this league, lolz.

I think they're underestimating the promoted sides. Us, Vale & Rovers will all be comfortably top half, FGR not so.

Let them underestimate us at their peril, but I think we all know all our sides are much, much stronger than the Bolton side that was promoted the season before last, and they came 9th ffs.

I wouldn't be surprised if 2 of the 4 sides that are coming up make the play offs.

This needs pinning. So you can look an even bigger bellend come may.

 

[masi51]

I see the 2021/22 lot keep saying the promoted teams are underestimating this league, lolz.

I think they're underestimating the promoted sides. Us, Vale & Rovers will all be comfortably top half, FGR not so.

Let them underestimate us at their peril, but I think we all know all our sides are much, much stronger than the Bolton side that was promoted the season before last, and they came 9th ffs.

I wouldn't be surprised if 2 of the 4 sides that are coming up make the play offs.

Two players remain who started our promotion season...........Santos and Jones
Five players who started our opening lge1 game against MK Dons played after christmas.....We have improved each transfer Window
I would be confident we would piss lge 2 next season with this squad......Dont think we are quite at the play-offs in lge1
I would be amazed if any of the teams coming up reached the play-offs

 

[leedsvaliant]

Two players remain who started our promotion season...........Santos and Jones
Five players who started our opening lge1 game against MK Dons played after christmas.....We have improved each transfer Window
I would be confident we would piss lge 2 next season with this squad......Dont think we are quite at the play-offs in lge1
I would be amazed if any of the teams coming up reached the play-offs

I wouldn't be amazed. I can't see it being us but the standard of this league has been way overblown just because there's a couple of teams who once played in the premier league.

 

[Gassy]

I wouldn't be amazed. I can't see it being us but the standard of this league has been way overblown just because there's a couple of teams who once played in the premier league.

I dunno, I feel that we’re probably in the best position to comment out of everyone on here. We just spend 6/7 years in L1 and now the 1 season in L2.

L1 is miles ahead IMO, especially the top 8. I’d be hugely surprised and impressed if one of the promoted teams broke into the top 6

 

[leedsvaliant]

I dunno, I feel that we’re probably in the best position to comment out of everyone on here. We just spend 6/7 years in L1 and now the 1 season in L2.

L1 is miles ahead IMO, especially the top 8. I’d be hugely surprised and impressed if one of the promoted teams broke into the top 6

I take your point but was it just because your team was on a gradual downward spiral and these teams just looked way better than you?

We've only been away for 5 years and before that we achieved top half finishes with some really poor squads and nearly survived with potentially our worst ever team. I know it's been a short while but teams can't have improved that much?

 

[bigfatron]

Some statistics for you all:
- Of the last 48 teams promoted into this division:
5 have been relegated straight away and one went bust
3 have been promoted straight away (Luton, Burton, Rotherham)
39 have remained in the division at the end of their first season

- Of the last 44 teams promoted into the division up to 20/21
Nine had already exited in season one either up or down or bust
4 got relegated in season 2
2 got promoted in season 2 (Coventry, Wycombe)

- Of the last 40 teams that were promoted up to 19/20
15 had already exited either up or down or bust
4 got relegated in season 3
none got promoted in season 3

- Of the 36 teams promoted up to 18/19
19 had exited already
2 were relegated in season 4
1 was promoted in season 4 (Blackpool)

- Of the 32 teams promoted up to 17/18
22 had exited already
5 were relegated in season five (Bristol R, Swindon, Scunthorpe, Southend and Doncaster)
None were promoted in season five, or any later season.

Two teams lasted six seasons before being relegated (Bradford and AFC Wimbledon) , one lasted seven (Rochdale) and one lasted nine (Gillingham)

Teams that have been promoted and are still in the division have lasted 8 seasons (Fleetwood), 7 (Shrewsbury), 6 (Oxford), 5, (Portsmouth), 4 (Accrington), 3 (Lincoln and MK Dons) and 2 (Plymouth) seasons so far, plus the four promoted last term have all survived one season.

Which seems to suggest that:
- relegation straight aftercoming up is not as common as people think
- if you are going to get promoted a second time, it generally happens straight away or in your second season.

I still can't see any of the promoted four troubling the play-offs though...

 

[masi51]

I wouldn't be amazed. I can't see it being us but the standard of this league has been way overblown just because there's a couple of teams who once played in the premier league.

nothing wrong with your confidence....fair play
Only time will tell

Nothing to do with our recent past just my opinion is that the top 10 in lge 1 are way better than anything in lge 2

We came second in this lge in 2016/17 Our squad today is much stronger than that squad yet i dont see us repeating that feat as our squad stands

 

[Gassy]

I take your point but was it just because your team was on a gradual downward spiral and these teams just looked way better than you?

We've only been away for 5 years and before that we achieved top half finishes with some really poor squads and nearly survived with potentially our worst ever team. I know it's been a short while but teams can't have improved that much?

We competed the first few years tbh, the last 3 were completely up and down. Anyone can get into the top half in L1 with a bit of decent transfer business no doubt, but most of those who’ve done that (and more) are L1 teams with good additions, rather than L2 teams with good additions - which I think is a big difference.

I’d by lying if I said I can remember L1 football 5 years ago Vs 2 years ago, but there were/are a lot of Championship level players dropping the division these days to join the big clubs, something that didn’t happen too often previously

 

[The Jovial Forester]

This needs pinning. So you can look an even bigger bellend come may.

There'll be a maximum size for bell ends, blue whale maybe, and Devon Lad exceeded that years ago.

 

[SVH]

I'm not surprised Port Vale fans think they will do better than everyone is suggesting. They have been winning league two for the last 4 years on the League two forum.

 

[Devon_Lad]

Two players remain who started our promotion season...........Santos and Jones
Five players who started our opening lge1 game against MK Dons played after christmas.....We have improved each transfer Window
I would be confident we would piss lge 2 next season with this squad......Dont think we are quite at the play-offs in lge1
I would be amazed if any of the teams coming up reached the play-offs

Sorry, what is your point? Are you suggesting we're all going to have identical teams to last season as well? Feck me. This forum really is full of absolute whoppers.

 

[Devon_Lad]

This needs pinning. So you can look an even bigger bellend come may.

You'll look as daft as everyone else did arguing with me in L2 last season about our chances of winning the league when we weren't even in the play offs, only to be top of the table the game before the end of the season and losing out just on GD.

This league isn't that good ffs, the absolute state of everyone thinking this is like some premiership top half against a part time league at the bottom is hilarious. It's league one. The third tier of English football, with a few clubs chucking money about - Did Sunderland well for a few years didn't it? Or ipswich last year? Or Salford and Mansfield in the league below? You're gunna get a big shock this season when us promoted sides start handing out some humiliating results against the 'big' clubs.

 

[kieran_vale]

I'm not surprised Port Vale fans think they will do better than everyone is suggesting. They have been winning league two for the last 4 years on the League two forum.

Here you go again with the cheap digs at us. For a start there is only really one of us particularly engaging with that so that's hardly ALL of us.

It's also not true about the L2 forum. The closed doors seasons yes one or two joined up temporarily at the start and ran their mouths a bit but last season for example most of us were saying would be happy with a shot at the playoffs which incidentally is what ended up happening. Prior to that I think you'll find we were just hoping we'd have a club still the way we were being run at that time.

 

[valefan16]

Here you go again with the cheap digs at us. For a start there is only really one of us particularly engaging with that so that's hardly ALL of us.

It's also not true about the L2 forum. The closed doors seasons yes one or two joined up temporarily at the start and ran their mouths a bit but last season for example most of us were saying would be happy with a shot at the playoffs which incidentally is what ended up happening. Prior to that I think you'll find we were just hoping we'd have a club still the way we were being run at that time.

We were one of the favourites for the behind closed doors season but other than that most of us have been fairly level about progressing.

Most Vale fans don't expect a promotion/play off challenge this season and if fairness LeedsValiant whilst suggesting it isnt impossible to gatecrash for sides outside the so called big guns he states he doesn't anticipate Vale being one of those.

 

[kieran_vale]

We were one of the favourites for the behind closed doors season but other than that most of us have been fairly level about progressing.

Most Vale fans don't expect a promotion/play off challenge this season and if fairness LeedsValiant whilst suggesting it isnt impossible to gatecrash for sides outside the so called big guns he states he doesn't anticipate Vale being one of those.

Yeah I couldn’t even tell you how we’d do as I’ll be honest a lot of the teams in this division are a bit of a mystery to me. Had a decent grasp of how things were in L2 so got a good idea what we are competing with in terms of the others promoted with us and to a lesser degree those who went up the previous year but I couldn’t say how we’d stack up against say one of the more established teams at this level until we’ve had a few games. Right now we have some holes to fill in terms of recruitment.

I do get what some say about some of the biggest clubs in this league but when we last came up we had the likes of Wolves and Sheffield United there so it’s not exactly a new phenomenon having some decent sized clubs down here.

 

[masi51]

Sorry, what is your point? Are you suggesting we're all going to have identical teams to last season as well? Feck me. This forum really is full of absolute whoppers.

No its like gloss.....it says whats on the tin

Dont think the Bolton team that finished third after losing three games after Christmas is one you can judge from.

I get Exeter have obviously improved but to say you will be in one of the promotion spots and at worse in the play-offs
End of the day you are confident so i wont knock that confidence.....Good luck

 

[masi51]

What makes you say that?

We've been third, sixth, and eighth for the last three seasons and have retained all of last season's players that we wanted to. We now have the squad space, and money, for 5 or 6 top level additions. We're not some tinpot outfit that's just ridden our luck for a few months. We'll be up there again and it'll surprise no one.

S

keep your fishing rod in the shed.............9th Downwards you say
9th Bolton...............cast your line
10th Portsmouth
11th Ipswich
Them three will improve past Oxford this coming season
I dont see any of the three promoted teams worrying the top 11. Ipswich ended on 70 points while Accrington in 12th ended the season on 61 points. The table tells you where the in balance start

 

[masi51]

keep your fishing rod in the shed.............9th Downwards you say
9th Bolton...............cast your line
10th Portsmouth
11th Ipswich
Them three will improve past Oxford this coming season
I dont see any of the three promoted teams worrying the top 11. Ipswich ended on 70 points while Accrington in 12th ended the season on 61 points. The table tells you where the in balance starts

Correct as per usual..........

 

[masi51]

I see the 2021/22 lot keep saying the promoted teams are underestimating this league, lolz.

I think they're underestimating the promoted sides. Us, Vale & Rovers will all be comfortably top half, FGR not so.

Let them underestimate us at their peril, but I think we all know all our sides are much, much stronger than the Bolton side that was promoted the season before last, and they came 9th ffs.

I wouldn't be surprised if 2 of the 4 sides that are coming up make the play offs.

No wonder you packed in and went back to playing marbles

 

[Bobbin']

Was a great shout in the end to be fair, there they all are - comfortably in the top half.

 

[LancashireTrotters]

What makes you say that?

We've been third, sixth, and eighth for the last three seasons and have retained all of last season's players that we wanted to. We now have the squad space, and money, for 5 or 6 top level additions. We're not some tinpot outfit that's just ridden our luck for a few months. We'll be up there again and it'll surprise no one.

Poor Eric…

 

[Gassy]

I dunno, I feel that we’re probably in the best position to comment out of everyone on here. We just spend 6/7 years in L1 and now the 1 season in L2.

L1 is miles ahead IMO, especially the top 8. I’d be hugely surprised and impressed if one of the promoted teams broke into the top 6

We competed the first few years tbh, the last 3 were completely up and down. Anyone can get into the top half in L1 with a bit of decent transfer business no doubt, but most of those who’ve done that (and more) are L1 teams with good additions, rather than L2 teams with good additions - which I think is a big difference.

I’d by lying if I said I can remember L1 football 5 years ago Vs 2 years ago, but there were/are a lot of Championship level players dropping the division these days to join the big clubs, something that didn’t happen too often previously

Nailed it tbf