Semi Final: Croatia vs England - Wednesday 7PM (Continued)

[Abertawe]

I don't like this tribalism. Can we not just be objective? Excellent effort by the players who in turn were let down with a terrible manager.

 

[Gassy]

2 Posts I saw that made me laugh and essentially utters the truth:

"Genuinely cannot see how you can laugh at a team for losing a World Cup semi final if your team didn't even qualify, so fucking bizarre"

Unless you're French, Croatian or Belgian, taking the piss out of England for being knocked out is a bit like a homeless lad taking the piss out of your house. Makes you look like a bellend."

 

[shane]

Can someone bite on Aber's Southgate digs please? Hes had three posts go unanswered on the last page alone and its out of order.

 

[Abertawe]

How can Graham bloody Souness see it yet the majority can't? Look at Keys nowadays, looks like an obese hamster.

 

[dedwardp]

So England had two shots on target in 120 minutes but Croatia were lucky not to be down 3-0 by half time?

You couldn't make this up! Incredible - and they don't even know they're doing it!

So if a side misses an open goal from ten yards out and then doesn't go on to have a shot on target, the opposition aren't still lucky not to be a goal behind?

 

[Abertawe]

Can someone bite on Aber's Southgate digs please? Hes had three posts go unanswered on the last page alone and its out of order.

Southgate is crap and you should be like me, furious that he's been allowed to ruin the best opportunity of our lifetimes.

 

[Gassy]

So if a side misses an open goal from ten yards out and then doesn't go on to have a shot on target, the opposition aren't still lucky not to be a goal behind?

In Scotland, chances only count if the shot is on target.

As you'll see by the reactions, this for example, was not a chance:

 

[Chris FGR]

Southgate is crap and you should be like me, furious that he's been allowed to ruin the best opportunity of our lifetimes.

Have a day off, Southgate's a top bloke and has done a great job so far. Why not concentrate on your own team instead of shitting on ours. Think you'll ever qualify for anything again?

 

[AFCB_Mark]

I don't really understand the arrogance accusations, I think other nations have taken the whole "football's coming home" thing a bit too literally based on previous English attitudes to their national side. From 1998-2010 I noticed arrogance, as though both fans and pundits believed they had a right to be in the latter stages of every tournament, but English fans grew gradually more apathetic after 2010 and even downright pessimistic come 2016.

This time the chants, the punditry and even the memes felt more like a renaissance of hope that the England team can compete on the biggest stage. Yes, the montages on the BBC of hope that they could win a World Cup were awfully saccharine, but they did not come across as arrogant to me. In Ireland most people took this as the old arrogant attitude, when really it should have been obvious that they were almost poking fun at the idea of daring to dream again. Most of the "football's coming home" stuff was ironic, I don't think people in other countries appreciate that the chant itself is about England failing over and over again and merely hoping that this time they won't, that they can be good. It's not meant to be arrogant, but the "golden" generation made it seem that way. The BBC team were very much joking about winning it all until they reached the later stages of the tournament, but of course this was interpreted as arrogance by many. The self-deprecating humour seemingly going over a lot of heads.

I encountered few English fans that actually believed they were going to win the World Cup and even less that overlooked Croatia as an easy game on route to an inevitable showdown with France. Come the knockouts, there was a lot more confidence, but just because you believe you can beat a side like Croatia, it doesn't mean you are arrogantly looking past them. Football managers and players aren't so one-track minded that they can't both respect their opponent, but also believe that they can/should beat them and potentially look forward to the next round. If this forum is a decent representative sample of English football fans (surely it should be?), then the predictions before the tournament were quite pessimistic (most fans would have been happy with a quarters appearance) and quite measured before the Croatia game (most thought this was going to be a tough game that they could win). Hardly arrogant.

And yeah, there were a few cocksure pundits (Rio) and a minority of the support who thought England beating Croatia was inevitable, but they were dwarfed by mostly apprehensive predictions that Croatia are a good side with better midfielders and could easily knock England out. Maybe it's not the smartest thing for anyone to speak about finals before you get there as it gives your opponents easy ammunition and extra motivation, but I don't think it's much of an issue at all though. Roy Keane slammed them for it last night, but even Ian Wright was arguing that no one thought they'd make the semi-finals. The idea that England were preparing a victory bus parade is just an inane notion based on prior experiences of English arrogance.

Croatia's media today has both slammed the English arrogance and then gone on to pretty much guarantee that they are going to win the World Cup on Sunday because nothing can stop them. Maybe arrogant people exist in all countries, eh?

Thank the lord for some sanity.

It's quite amusing that outsiders can get so worked up about our most popular England tune. It talks repeatedly about English failure and misery. It's ironically full of that most Scottish trait of self depreciation.

Bilo kindly gave us a little insight into the Swedish media before our game with them, in which they were rightly or wrongly building up a narrative of English arrogance going into that game. Whilst in our view at least, there was little foundation for that, with our media and fans widely respecting the quality of opponent they have previously knocked out.

Now we beat Sweden comfortably enough as it turned out, so no more was heard about it.

We learn that Croatian media framed the game similar as their Swedish counterparts. And as a result of beating us in extra time in a game that could have gone either way, we then get to hear all about it as somehow factual proof of how arrogant we all are. It seems like a tired lazy schtick, a routine. One detached, from the reality we've lived in recent years, and from what the English setup is trying to build currently.

How can Graham bloody Souness see it yet the majority can't? Look at Keys nowadays, looks like an obese hamster.

Souness has a season ticket at Bournemouth and watches most of our home games in the stand if he's not doing Sky. Yet whenever he talks about us on Sky it's as if he knows not the first thing about any of our players, their strengths or weaknesses. I personally don't place much weight behind his observations, he's a dinosaur.

 

[Abertawe]

Thank the lord for some sanity.

It's quite amusing that outsiders can get so worked up about our most popular England tune. It talks repeatedly about English failure and misery. It's ironically full of that most Scottish trait of self depreciation.

Bilo kindly gave us a little insight into the Swedish media before our game with them, in which they were rightly or wrongly building up a narrative of English arrogance going into that game. Whilst in our view at least, there was little foundation for that, with our media and fans widely respecting the quality of opponent they have previously knocked out.

Now we beat Sweden comfortably enough as it turned out, so no more was heard about it.

We learn that Croatian media framed the game similar as their Swedish counterparts. And as a result of beating us in extra time in a game that could have gone either way, we then get to hear all about it as somehow factual proof of how arrogant we all are. It seems like a tired lazy schtick, a routine. One detached, from the reality we've lived in recent years, and from what the English setup is trying to build currently.


Souness has a season ticket at Bournemouth and watches most of our home games in the stand if he's not doing Sky. Yet whenever he talks about us on Sky it's as if he knows not the first thing about any of our players, their strengths or weaknesses. I personally don't place much weight behind his observations, he's a dinosaur.

Well if even a dinosaur can work out you need a midfield to win games at the highest level what does that tell you? Southgate tried to win games with just Henderson.

Please see this page, especially your post in relation to mine, I'm a humble man but I think my concerns became reality whereas your wager was wasted. https://www.onefootballforum.co.uk/...nd-18th-june-7pm-gmt.19976/page-6#post-791116

This system/tactical gameplan does not work. It doesn't score enough goals and it fades in the second half. Look at England results and timing of goals conceded, its bloody obvious what or rather who is the problem. http://www.soccerbase.com/teams/team.sd?team_id=909&teamTabs=results

That subservient fa yes boy has cost you yet you pat him on the back. and declare him a hero. Pathetic mentality and no wonder this nation doesn't win. Massive opportunity wasted.

 

[valefan16]

The press were no more arrogant than anyone else... we've seen Croatia doing it, I dare say French press are happily talking up expectation of winning it... Some Swedes were confident in the press such as SGE

Croatia are playing little man syndrome a bit and it isn't the first time...

In terms of the other home nations taking the piss...

Scotland - Can't make Euro 2016, lost 5-2 over two games to us, haven't come close to qualifying since 2000... I pity them for the fact they can only find pleasure in us losing a WORLD CUP SEMI FINAL! Lets be honest I would be chuffed for the Scots to qualify for once but there seems a real bitterness back. When your the only British Isles side at home putting everyone elses bins out are you even in a position to mock anyone?

Wales - Happy for them at Euro 16 although if arguing England had it easy, Wales lost to two of three big nations they faced and only beat Belgium because they were so dire on the day. The defending was woeful in that game. We were happy for them though and congratulated them despite their playing partying when we lost and uploading it to social media.

Northern Ireland - Great achievements in recent times, again delighted but were happy to slate us and have a hero's welcome despite losing 3 of 4 games!

Republic - Lost to Denmark 5-1 who Croatia got past in this tournament? Cant really take the piss...

Its laughable as we are all proud yet everyone is putting down the achievements when they need to focus on their own team. These easy teams would likely get a result against all the other home nations after all.

 

[AFCB_Mark]

Well if even a dinosaur can work out you need a midfield to win games at the highest level what does that tell you? Southgate tried to win games with just Henderson.

Please see this page, especially your post in relation to mine, I'm a humble man but I think my concerns became reality whereas your wager was wasted. https://www.onefootballforum.co.uk/...nd-18th-june-7pm-gmt.19976/page-6#post-791116

This system/tactical gameplan does not work. It doesn't score enough goals and it fades in the second half. Look at England results and timing of goals conceded, its bloody obvious what or rather who is the problem. http://www.soccerbase.com/teams/team.sd?team_id=909&teamTabs=results

That subservient fa yes boy has cost you yet you pat him on the back. and declare him a hero. Pathetic mentality and no wonder this nation doesn't win. Massive opportunity wasted.

Wasted because the context of the game changed, and rather than a straight game between both regular sides, it was two B sides playing in 2nd gear. If Belgium are going to play their strong side tomorrow, I guess we'll have another chance to see how Southgate approaches that, in what I hope will still be a fairly competitive game.

I would like to see us use a slightly more compact and counter attacking team at some point, because I think we have the players to do it. No manager can get by with only one game-plan used against every opposition.

I'm not saying Southgate is quite a national hero, but yes I'm chuffed with how he's done. Like most I wasn't overly enthused when he got the job. I also remember criticising him for using 3 centre backs and two holding midfielders against Lithuania at the end of qualification. But I've been pleasantly surprised and pleased with this tournament, in fact most of what we've done in the last 6 months since picking a system and sticking to it.

Whilst the attacking midfield department hasn't fully worked and needs tweaking, the rest of the side has delivered a tournament better than anything we've done for years. It's a better base to work from now.

Maybe I should be demanding more? But then wouldn't that be more English arrogance?

 

[Chris FGR]

At the moment we don't have a world class team. Quite a few of our squad aren't even guaranteed starters for their clubs. We also had the youngest squad in the tournament. We've also been shit for years and the nation had pretty much given up on the side.

Talking all that into consideration the job Southgate has done in not only guiding us the furthest we've got in 22 years but also implementing a far better style of play in that we can now actually keep the ball, plus reconnecting with the fan base and generating a proper feel good factor has been superb.

Some clueless twats claiming otherwise are just jealous and bitter that England are back.

 

[Gassy]

Some clueless twats claiming otherwise are just jealous and bitter that England are back.

And don't forget that (although very unlikely) a win tomorrow would be our 2nd most successful tournament ever

 

[Abertawe]

Wasted because the context of the game changed, and rather than a straight game between both regular sides, it was two B sides playing in 2nd gear. If Belgium are going to play their strong side tomorrow, I guess we'll have another chance to see how Southgate approaches that, in what I hope will still be a fairly competitive game.

I would like to see us use a slightly more compact and counter attacking team at some point, because I think we have the players to do it. No manager can get by with only one game-plan used against every opposition.

I'm not saying Southgate is quite a national hero, but yes I'm chuffed with how he's done. Like most I wasn't overly enthused when he got the job. I also remember criticising him for using 3 centre backs and two holding midfielders against Lithuania at the end of qualification. But I've been pleasantly surprised and pleased with this tournament, in fact most of what we've done in the last 6 months since picking a system and sticking to it.

Whilst the attacking midfield department hasn't fully worked and needs tweaking, the rest of the side has delivered a tournament better than anything we've done for years. It's a better base to work from now.

Maybe I should be demanding more? But then wouldn't that be more English arrogance?

No it wouldn't be arrogant. Southgate has presided over a team that's had less shots on target per game than Japan - despite playing Tunisia & Panama. That's just shocking. Wanting England to play to their potential is fair, nothing arrogant about it.

At the moment we don't have a world class team. Quite a few of our squad aren't even guaranteed starters for their clubs. We also had the youngest squad in the tournament. We've also been shit for years and the nation had pretty much given up on the side.

Talking all that into consideration the job Southgate has done in not only guiding us the furthest we've got in 22 years but also implementing a far better style of play in that we can now actually keep the ball, plus reconnecting with the fan base and generating a proper feel good factor has been superb.

Some clueless twats claiming otherwise are just jealous and bitter that England are back.

You can tell you've never seen good football forest boy.

The things you say do not stand up to objective scrutiny. "A far better style of play" Yeah having less shots on target than Japan is sick.

"We can now actually keep the ball" Erm they don't. This is easy to check. Against both Belgium & Croatia they had much less possession, played almost 100 fewer passes in each game and lost possession at nearly twice the rate the Croats did. This isn't surprising given the game plan but for you to believe England are now a passing team probably shows your knowledge for what it is.

 

[valefan16]

At the moment we don't have a world class team. Quite a few of our squad aren't even guaranteed starters for their clubs. We also had the youngest squad in the tournament. We've also been shit for years and the nation had pretty much given up on the side.

Talking all that into consideration the job Southgate has done in not only guiding us the furthest we've got in 22 years but also implementing a far better style of play in that we can now actually keep the ball, plus reconnecting with the fan base and generating a proper feel good factor has been superb.

Some clueless twats claiming otherwise are just jealous and bitter that England are back.

Spot on...

What people forget is this England side is still very much a work in progress. Harry Kane is a World Class forward and arguably the best in the World in that position... he should get better in the next cycle as he hits his peak. He was the only World Class player going into the tournament.

I would say Kieran Trippier has shown he can be World Class, he has shown in this tournament he is one of the best right backs currently and you can look at the likes of Harry McGuire who have shown they can step up to the plate so we have seen some of the squad grow in the course of this tournament, World Cups can make players, like James last time for example.

The rest of the squad is in the main young and still growing in the game, they should improve and want this more for the experience. What I hope is Southgate keeps with the core through the new 2 years and doesn't change it or experiment with his best XI too much, get even more understanding and look at the youngsters as they come up, the lad from Fulham Sessignon for example, Foden at City who certainly in the next World Cup cycle should come to the fore.

As a team England have only just started this journey and as mentioned before its crucial this wasn't in vein and that we build on what has been achieved. The tools are there, the opportunity is there, the supporters are now there again.

The hard work for Southgate begins now, turning this young rough diamond into a feared side that can compete in semi finals and for trophies. The work with St Georges etc is starting hopefully to bear fruits after the success of the England sides at all levels in the past two years, we knew it needed to change and it has changed.

 

[Abertawe]

Spot on...

What people forget is this England side is still very much a work in progress. Harry Kane is a World Class forward and arguably the best in the World in that position... he should get better in the next cycle as he hits his peak. He was the only World Class player going into the tournament.

I would say Kieran Trippier has shown he can be World Class, he has shown in this tournament he is one of the best right backs currently and you can look at the likes of Harry McGuire who have shown they can step up to the plate so we have seen some of the squad grow in the course of this tournament, World Cups can make players, like James last time for example.

The rest of the squad is in the main young and still growing in the game, they should improve and want this more for the experience. What I hope is Southgate keeps with the core through the new 2 years and doesn't change it or experiment with his best XI too much, get even more understanding and look at the youngsters as they come up, the lad from Fulham Sessignon for example, Foden at City who certainly in the next World Cup cycle should come to the fore.

As a team England have only just started this journey and as mentioned before its crucial this wasn't in vein and that we build on what has been achieved. The tools are there, the opportunity is there, the supporters are now there again.

The hard work for Southgate begins now, turning this young rough diamond into a feared side that can compete in semi finals and for trophies. The work with St Georges etc is starting hopefully to bear fruits after the success of the England sides at all levels in the past two years, we knew it needed to change and it has changed.

Why are you running down the quality of the players? Southgate is the one lacking not the players. With the right tactical set up the players in England's pool are a nightmare for any nation on earth.

 

[Laker]

I would also add that Southgate himself is a “work in progress”. I’m sure he’d admit himself that he made plenty of mistakes in this tournament. Let’s wait and see, I don’t think he’s good or bad yet.

 

[St. Juste]

Nah it was fine the first time, you clearly just have no response to me destroying every single one of your points other than hilarious attempts to patronise me. Cheer up pal, you might qualify for the Euros this time now that they're letting the shit countries have a chance.

No response? I'd have to copy and paste in your post into a quote, removing the text from my post.

It was a complete mess, why can't you do it properly?

You are honestly the most boring, tedious human being alive.

Everyone just ignore this clown. He’s dull as fuck and unsurprisingly has only resurfaced since England have lost after being nowhere to be seen when they were winning.

Just for the record, that blonde strumpet that was arrested for jumping on the ambulance was Scottish. Twat.

I posted throughout the tournament.

And yes, a minority of Scottish people (Rangers fans) support England too - look at Leo.

Excellent post.

"Three Lions" is the perfect example of the English sense of humour - self deprecating and filled with irony. I would have said "British sense of humour" but it doesn't appear as though thats the case judging by this thread.

Arrogance is something that could be thrown at England in the past but definitely not during this tournament, with the odd exception. Everyone I know has just enjoyed the ride and hoped to go a bit further but with the exceptions of Tunisia, Panama and possibly Sweden, no one expected to win any of the other games.

Its been a fantastic WC for England. Anyone saying it isn't is either bitter or deluded. I would agree they haven't beaten anyone of note but a Semi-final presents massive progress regardless of the opposition.

I would fault Southgate for playing Alli as much as he did through out the tournament as he clearly doesn't look 100% fit. Kane clearly wasn't all there against Croatia.

Again, this it's "not me guv" can be easily disproved by looking at the posts on this site - never mind the thousands of articles from across the journalistic spectrum.

England fans were arrogant. The English media was arrogant. This was not the first time
and it won't be the last, there is a reason Croatia are having a right good laugh at their expense.

My bitterness? Of getting to a World Cup semi final? Yes, let's let that sink in.

Lets not also forget the same Croatia that with 9 first team changes, beat that Iceland side and beat Argentina 3-0. Or did you forget that part?

Yet again St Juste has been proven wrong on every single point and tries to pick a Scottish gal on an ambulance as your argument

Next time try harder fella - tell that to the Scottish national team as well while you're at it.

Over and out.

Proven wrong on the point that Iceland finished above Croatia in qualifying?

Good one.

But nevertheless, continue to be content that England lost to a nation 1 tenth of their size.

2 Posts I saw that made me laugh and essentially utters the truth:

"Genuinely cannot see how you can laugh at a team for losing a World Cup semi final if your team didn't even qualify, so fucking bizarre"

Unless you're French, Croatian or Belgian, taking the piss out of England for being knocked out is a bit like a homeless lad taking the piss out of your house. Makes you look like a bellend."

That's extraordinary. I'm sure Uruguay, Brazil and Argentina would have done better in the the tinpot side of the draw.

Or indeed Colombia had they had their star player. Even without him they forced England to penalties.

So if a side misses an open goal from ten yards out and then doesn't go on to have a shot on target, the opposition aren't still lucky not to be a goal behind?

Did England miss any open goals?

They had two shots on target in 120 minutes (far fewer than Croatia) and yet you claim the latter was lucky not to be down 3-0 in the first half.

Absolutely extraordinary! And people wonder why people have a good laugh at the arrogance of the English fans and media.

Thank the lord for some sanity.

It's quite amusing that outsiders can get so worked up about our most popular England tune. It talks repeatedly about English failure and misery. It's ironically full of that most Scottish trait of self depreciation.

Bilo kindly gave us a little insight into the Swedish media before our game with them, in which they were rightly or wrongly building up a narrative of English arrogance going into that game. Whilst in our view at least, there was little foundation for that, with our media and fans widely respecting the quality of opponent they have previously knocked out.

Now we beat Sweden comfortably enough as it turned out, so no more was heard about it.

We learn that Croatian media framed the game similar as their Swedish counterparts. And as a result of beating us in extra time in a game that could have gone either way, we then get to hear all about it as somehow factual proof of how arrogant we all are. It seems like a tired lazy schtick, a routine. One detached, from the reality we've lived in recent years, and from what the English setup is trying to build currently.
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Right, so both of your opponents recognised it, other observers have been pointing it out for years, but England fans continue to insist "it's not me guv" in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary?

There were loads of articles on it, loads of incredibly arrogant posts on this site including the following gems:

1. Pickford is better than Alisson
2. Walker is better than Kimmich
3. Argentinas main footballing rivals are England, not Brazil

These are absolutely astonishing statements, but for all the arrogance England fans will hide behind the trope that it is just "ironic humour".

They surely don't believe such nonsense? If so, that's a truly impressive level of self delusion - something even I don't think they are capable of.

 

[Abertawe]

I would also add that Southgate himself is a “work in progress”. I’m sure he’d admit himself that he made plenty of mistakes in this tournament. Let’s wait and see, I don’t think he’s good or bad yet.

He hasn't got it, it's pretty damn clear. Boro should tell you that.

 

[TomPNE94]

1. Pickford is better than Alisson
2. Walker is better than Kimmich
3. Argentinas main footballing rivals are England, not Brazil

These are absolutely astonishing statements, but for all the arrogance England fans will hide behind the trope that it is just "ironic humour".

They surely don't believe such nonsense? If so, that's a truly impressive level of self delusion - something even I don't think they are capable of.

Pickford is better than Alisson. Simple. Trippier is a better right back than Walker and on a par with Kimmich.

Anyway, I'm done with you now, you're boring.

 

[Gassy]

That's extraordinary. I'm sure Uruguay, Brazil and Argentina would have done better in the the tinpot side of the draw.

Or indeed Colombia had they had their star player. Even without him they forced England to penalties.

Could've, should've, would've. But didn't.

Like Scotland.

Could've qualified for a tournament
Should've qualified based on the money & population
Would've qualified for something, but ultimately didn't because they aren't good enough

 

[Laker]

He hasn't got it, it's pretty damn clear. Boro should tell you that.

You might be right, I would question whether it’s pretty damn clear as it seems more subjective than you’re making it out to be and also ignores the point that people can improve if they have the right mentality and skill set etc.

But I will happily agree he’s not as good as some are making him out to be.

 

[Abertawe]

You might be right, I would question whether it’s pretty damn clear as it seems more subjective than you’re making it out to be and also ignores the point that people can improve if they have the right mentality and skill set etc.

But I will happily agree he’s not as good as some are making him out to be.

I've just never seen any evidence he's got the skillset unfortunately.

 

[WilsdenBantam]

Hopefully Foden and Sessignon break into their clubs first team(obviously Sessignon already has, but the PL is a step up), and in turn get them into the England set up, age shouldn't matter look at Rooney and Ronaldo, if you are good enough, you're old enough.

 

[St. Juste]

Pickford is better than Alisson. Simple. Trippier is a better right back than Walker and on a par with Kimmich.

Anyway, I'm done with you now, you're boring.

Trippier, not even a guaranteed starter for Tottenham better than a full back consistently scoring goals in the latter stages of the CL? He was involved in 18 goals in 39 games for Bayern - he is an exceptional player, far better than Trippier.

Alisson played a crucial part in Roma reaching the CL semis and his stats in the league are phenomenal, hence why he is first choice for Brazil ahead of the excellent Ederson, and hence why he is linked with Real Madrid.

Pickford let in a poor goal against Belgium, and let in three poor goals in his last club game. He is so clearly Joe Hart MKII, I hope the latter is seeking royalties.

Absolutely astonishing - England fans truly never learn.

 

[WilsdenBantam]

1. Pickford is better than Alisson
2. Walker is better than Kimmich
3. Argentinas main footballing rivals are England, not Brazil

These are absolutely astonishing statements, but for all the arrogance England fans will hide behind the trope that it is just "ironic humour".

They surely don't believe such nonsense? If so, that's a truly impressive level of self delusion - something even I don't think they are capable of.

I'll start by saying I don't know why I've bit, and you're a strange one but here it goes.

I said number 3 although I didn't use the word football, obviously if it were just football then Brazil would be. But if you're aren't thick then you'll no there are far more factors involved than just football I won't go over them again as I already have on this forum. Maradonna didn't have a Belgium shirt on, but he put a Colombia one on against us, interesting. I've not seen anyone put 1 or 2, so feel free to show evidence neither Alisson(Ederson is far better and should start), nor Kimmich is that big of a sweeping statement, neither are great shakes. Comparing Pickford to Ederson, Neuer or De Gea then fair enough that would be to far, there aren't that many to drawer full backs these days most are more like wingers so too say Walker is up there is hardly controversial, what ha Kimmich done too make you pull a statement like that up as a big shock?

None of them you brought up are particularly arrogant let alone absolutely astonishing, strange bastard.

 

[Leo]

And yes, a minority of Scottish people (Rangers fans) support England too - look at Leo.

Not just Rangers fans mate....get your facts correct but as per you just make presumptions. If you are so determined to put this over as fact....show the evidence. As for me....are you for real....don't answer that. Show me one post made by me in ANY England match thread which indicates me as an England supporter. I have said that I hope they get on well, hope that they win.....a supporter....no, a well wisher....yes. The England supporters are the lads & lasses on the forum who are actually English and are more deserving than me to be fanatical about their team. The team that I support is Rangers & Rangers only but yeah I wished England well for the tournament and individual games because I can see the bigger picture rather than some insular, self thought egotist from a footballing backwater!

PS....was the Scottish bint on the ambulance a Rangers supporter?

 

[Gassy]

Can anyone think of a single Scottish player who'd get into our 23 man squad?

Scrap that, if we have a 46 man squad would any of them get in?

 

[WilsdenBantam]

Can anyone think of a single Scottish player who'd get into our 23 man squad?

Scrap that, if we have a 46 man squad would any of them get in?

Super Oli McBurnie as Harry Kane's boot cleaner. Oliver Burke's ok but not good enough for our 23.