Terrorist Attacks Thread

[St. Juste]

It comes from both.
There are plenty of home grown terrorists but far more entering Europe daily from the Middle East and Africa.
There’s limited things we can do with the home-grown Islamists, but surely stopping new ones arriving is a no-brainer?

Islamic terror is an almost daily occurrence in Europe today. It really has no competitor in being the number one problem many countries face today. The IRA comparison is always made and is completely irrelevant. Take the bombings in Manchester… How can you compare an attack on the UK PLC, with a 2hr warning given and zero deaths to a slaughter of children for not following the Islamic way of life? To compare the two isn’t fair…And were the IRA really killing people because they weren’t Catholic – I think not.. It was aimed at British rule. Again, the comparison is complete nonsense. The Western world has faced nothing like it faces now with Islam, immigration, demographics and terror. It’s a new daily threat we face and one that is only going to get worse – whether we start controlling our borders or not. The only question is ‘how bad will it get’?

If you listen to ISIS they will tell you Islamic text has everything to do with it. So either listen to them or FAKE NEWS.

As for the Buddhists – what example are you talking about?

Where's the evidence that there are terrorists entering on a daily basis?

It would depend on your definition of "Islamist" - as a country with a low birth rate and an aging population we need more dramatically more immigration, especially in the North of the country. We can't really afford to have a blanket ban on any religion.

The world is the most peaceful it has ever been, with wars and violent deaths at an all time low. The IRA and Islamist attacks are both aimed at British rule - and target people indiscriminately. In terms of death toll, recent attacks look utterly amateurish compared to the terrorism the UK faced with the IRA and continental Europe faced with left wing and right wing terrorists in the 70s and 80s.

So it certainly isn't the worst problem that has ever been faced.

I have no interest in listening to ISIS, I don't know why anyone would. What they say or think is completely irrelevant. They are not a threat to Western Civilization, it's a small murderous group of losers thousands of miles away. When their influence wanes, which it will, they will be replaced by someone else until the oppression of Muslim countries stops. People consider them far more important / threatening than they really are - usually for their own means.

Buddhists are frequently violent - https://aeon.co/essays/buddhism-can-be-as-violent-as-any-other-religion

 

[Carver]

Why did we not get any Islamic terrorism over here before the turn of the millennium?

What started it? What changed?

 

[JaseTheVillain]

Why did we not get any Islamic terrorism over here before the turn of the millennium?

What started it? What changed?

On Tuesday night I gave the order for British forces to take part in military action in Iraq.

Tonight British servicemen and women are engaged from air, land and sea.

Their mission: to remove Saddam Hussein from power and disarm Iraq of its weapons of mass destruction.

I know that this course of action has produced deep divisions of opinion in our country but I know also the British people will now be united in sending our armed forces our thoughts and prayers - they are the finest in the world and their families and all of Britain can have great pride in them.

The threat to Britain today is not that of my father's generation.

War between the big powers is unlikely, Europe is at peace, the Cold War already a memory.

But this new world faces a new threat of disorder and chaos born either of brutal states like Iraq armed with weapons of mass destruction or of extreme terrorist groups.

Both hate our way of life, our freedom, our democracy.

My fear, deeply held, based in part on the intelligence that I see is that these threats come together and deliver catastrophe to our country and our world.
These tyrannical states do not care for the sanctity of human life - the terrorists delight in destroying it.

Some say if we act we become a target the truth is all nations are targets.

Bali was never in the frontline of action against terrorism, America didn't attack al-Qaeda - they attacked America.

Britain has never been a nation to hide at the back but even if we were it wouldn't avail us.

Should terrorists obtain these weapons now being manufactured and traded around the world the carnage they could inflict to our economies, to our security, to world peace would be beyond our most vivid imagination.

My judgement as prime minister is that this threat is real, growing and of an entirely different nature to any conventional threat to our security that Britain has faced before.

For 12 years the world tried to disarm Saddam after his wars in which hundreds of thousands died.

UN weapons inspectors say vast amounts of chemical and biological poisons such as anthrax, VX nerve agent and mustard gas remain unaccounted for in Iraq.

So our choice is clear: back down and leave Saddam hugely strengthened or proceed to disarm him by force.

Retreat might give us a moment of respite but years of repentance at our weakness would, I believe, follow.
It is true that Saddam is not the only threat but it is true also as we British know that the best way to deal with future threats peacefully is to deal with present threats with resolve.

Removing Saddam will be a blessing to the Iraqi people: four million Iraqis are in exile, 60% of the population dependent on food aid, thousands of children die every year through malnutrition and disease, hundreds of thousands have been driven from their homes or murdered.

I hope the Iraqi people hear this message. We are with you. Our enemy is not you but your barbarous rulers.

Our commitment to the post-Saddam humanitarian effort will be total.

We shall help Iraq move towards democracy and put the money from Iraqi oil in a UN trust fund so it benefits Iraq and no-one else.

Neither should Iraq be our only concern.

President Bush and I have committed ourselves to peace in the Middle East based on a secure state of Israel and a viable Palestinian state.
We will strive to see it done. But these challenges and others that confront us: poverty, the environment, the ravages of disease require a world of order and stability.

Dictators like Saddam. Terrorist groups like al-Qaeda, threaten the very existence of such a world.

That is why I've asked our troops to go into action tonight.

As so often before on the courage and determination of British men and women serving our country the fate of many nations rest. Thank you.

I can't speak for America, but I'd say it was down to the funding of the Mujahideen during the Soviet-Afghan war, providing them nice training and equipment to later become Al Qaeda.

 

[Carver]

I can't speak for America, but I'd say it was down to the funding of the Mujahideen during the Soviet-Afghan war, providing them nice training and equipment to later become Al Qaeda.

So America funded this group who later become Al Queda and they repay America by attacking them?

 

[Renegade]

 

[Carver]

Right so ISIS have now seized control of some city all the way in the Philippines now.

Where next?

 

[smat]

carlisle hopefully

 

[Ian_Wrexham]

Right so ISIS have now seized control of some city all the way in the Philippines now.

Where next?

There's been an insurgency on Mindanao for about the last fifty years. Business as usual isn't it?

 

[Carver]

There's been an insurgency on Mindanao for about the last fifty years. Business as usual isn't it?

I never heard of it until today.

 

[PuB]

I never heard of it until today.

Not surprising.

 

[Carver]

Not surprising.

Not surprising as in the news not showing it until now? Or not surprising as in me not knowing about it?

Which is it?

 

[PuB]

I think you know already

 

[HertsWolf]

Not surprising as in the news not showing it until now? Or not surprising as in me not knowing about it?

Which is it?

It is in the news regularly. It's clear from many, many posts that you don't watch, read or listen to the news. You are, effectively, an utterly news-free zone.

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

 

[Ian_Wrexham]

Fash in germany regularly burn down refugee shelters, blew up Borussia Dortmund's team bus, had a well developed plan involving military personnel to prosecute a false-flag terror campaign.

Germany is still reeling from the revelations of the NSU trials - about far-right infiltration of security services.

Once again, fascists are the real fascists.

also in what sense are these "antifa"?

 

[Ian_Wrexham]

What is with this legion of identically accented, slowly paced YouTube videos?

Is there like a version of BBC Received Pronunciation for fash nerds?

 

[Ian_Wrexham]

In my opinion supporting the maintenance and expanision of the border regime is worse than torching a few cars, but there we are.

 

[AFCB_Mark]

Ah Antifa, the people who put signs up around cities describing areas as their zones, but do not respect or believe in borders

 

[Ian_Wrexham]

Ah Antifa, the people who put signs up around cities describing areas as their zones, but do not respect or believe in boarders

Can we not conflate "antifascist" and "anarchist"? It erases the important work fighting fascism being done by our tank-loving, state supporting comrades in arms.

Dunno if this point is quite the knockout political point you think it is either.

 

[AFCB_Mark]

Can we not conflate "antifascist" and "anarchist"? It erases the important work fighting fascism being done by our tank-loving, state supporting comrades in arms.

Dunno if this point is quite the knockout political point you think it is either.

No political point, I just find the irony rather amusing!

 

[silkyman]

So America funded this group who later become Al Queda and they repay America by attacking them?

Plus general anger at American foreign policy, support for Israel and sanctions in Iraq after the first gulf war in 1991. All forced through a filter of religious fanaticism.

Islamic terrorism wasn't unheard of before 9/11. The WTC was bombed in 1993 and the USS Cole attacked in 2000. Bin Laden issued a fatwa in 1996 against Americans in Saudi Arabia and one in 1998 which led to the 9/11 attacks.

That led to the west diving in two-footed to the Middle East and we are where we are.

Bin Laden wanted to force a reaction from the west. All of these attacks, are designed to generate anger and provoke a reaction. We've been dancing to their tune since 9/11.

 

[Carver]

Plus general anger at American foreign policy, support for Israel and sanctions in Iraq after the first gulf war in 1991. All forced through a filter of religious fanaticism.

Islamic terrorism wasn't unheard of before 9/11. The WTC was bombed in 1993 and the USS Cole attacked in 2000. Bin Laden issued a fatwa in 1996 against Americans in Saudi Arabia and one in 1998 which led to the 9/11 attacks.

That led to the west diving in two-footed to the Middle East and we are where we are.

Bin Laden wanted to force a reaction from the west. All of these attacks, are designed to generate anger and provoke a reaction. We've been dancing to their tune since 9/11.

Plus us and America invading Iraq for their oil, oh sorry I meant their supposed weapons of mass destruction, just gave them more reason to hate us and messed up that region even more creating ISIS who make Al Queda look like saints.

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

Can we not conflate "antifascist" and "anarchist"?

You should probably direct this toward Antifa more than anyone else, they're the ones using the cloak of "anti-fascism" to disguise their violent extremism.

 

[Ian_Wrexham]

You should probably direct this toward Antifa more than anyone else, they're the ones using the cloak of "anti-fascism" to disguise their violent extremism.

The Hamburg stuff was explicitly anarchist, wasn't it?

For clarification, where I stand
- antifascists using violence to physically resist fascists: good
- anarchists damaging private property and using violence to physically resist police: also good

(I'd caveat the last point slightly in terms of tactics, but the principle is legit)

 

[Aber gas]

Can we not conflate "antifascist" and "anarchist"? It erases the important work fighting fascism being done by our tank-loving, state supporting comrades in arms.

Dunno if this point is quite the knockout political point you think it is either.

Thanks for the mention. Happy to be here.

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

The Hamburg stuff was explicitly anarchist, wasn't it?

For clarification, where I stand
- antifascists using violence to physically resist fascists: good
- anarchists damaging private property and using violence to physically resist police: also good

(I'd caveat the last point slightly in terms of tactics, but the principle is legit)

Sure, but even if we were to grant either of those things as morally correct (big if), for the most part those things are not what's happening. The overwhelming majority of people who self-proclaimed antifascists harass are not fascists, and looting the shops or torching the cars of innocent people has nothing to do with resisting the police.

If anything you could make the argument that violently resisting these people is actually a commendable act of civic responsibility. They are in essence just lightweight terrorists.

 

[silkyman]

A white supremacist just ploughed a car into a group of anti-racism demonstrators in Charlotteville

 

[.V.]

A white supremacist just ploughed a car into a group of anti-racism demonstrators in Charlotteville

Totally doesn't count. Fake news.

I've been to Charlottesville and it's hard to believe that this is happening there. They took all those type of statues down in New Orleans and there wasn't this reaction. Almost as if those Nazi c*** didn't want to pick a fight with a large black population with a local police force who could contain them.

 

[Benji]

I'm sure America's brave leader has a lot to say about this.

https://twitter.com/MyDaughtersArmy/status/896469377423360000

Never mind.

 

[Laker]

America is such a bonkers country.