The A6 Derby (Luton v Carlisle)

[Vanni]

Radio commentary in general is torture to listen to, because half the time the commentators are getting excited, someone is attacking, but you don't know who. To be fair if someone misses from one yard out then it's not James Phillips' fault for getting your hopes up.

Agree on the torture part but really not getting what you mean by not knowing who's attacking? It reads like you don't know the names of your players

 

[cufc17]

In fairness I know what he means, Phillips usually uses 'they' or similar when either side attacks, leaving you a bit unaware of what's happening. At times today I was relying on the sound of the crowd to determine if it was Luton or us!

 

[Carver]

That other guy should commentate who did the last few matches, he was sound.

 

[shoddycollins]

Not a great result for Luton, in terms of how the league looks now, Wycombe on fire and right up their arses... Blackpool coming up too with a decent goal difference. Pompey pulling ahead.

 

[That Fat Centre Half]

Carlisle were one of those of nasty, horrible to play against, niggly sides that do well in this league. Clever and looked to slow the game down at all opportunities. Will be up there at the end of the season no doubt though, won't win plaudits but that's not what it's about is it!

Draw probably fair in the end, we made some good chances first half and some of our decision making in the final third was poor. Can only assume Marriott shut his eyes on the headed chance, really poor miss from him not sure what has happened to his finishing this year.

We need to start picking up wins though. Our form is poor and these draws are just not good enough and we are starting underachieve now with the players we have.

 

[Judge Dredd]

We really should have won that game, several guilt edge chances went begging. Marriott had to score, Vassell had to score but didn't even get his shot off late on, Cuthbert had to score from the corner. We very nearly managed to lose it at the end mind, Carlisle's number 10 should have buried it.

Good game to watch, very open and some decent football played. Points dropped big time for us though.

Hylton is absolutely class, love him.

 

[Vanni]

In fairness I know what he means, Phillips usually uses 'they' or similar when either side attacks, leaving you a bit unaware of what's happening. At times today I was relying on the sound of the crowd to determine if it was Luton or us!

That explains it, cheers. In other words, your commentator isn't very good with names then.

 

[Judge Dredd]

Also thought Jones got his subs wrong today. Marriott looked really dangerous despite the glaring miss, would rather have kept him on over Vassell. Actually would have kept the three of them on personally. Would have preferred McQuoid over the invisible man Cook too after his goals in mid week, deserved a chance.

I did like the 3-4-3, worth persevering with particularly if we can get a quality centre mid in in January.

 

[hellogregory]

See I thought Luton were a niggly nasty won't win plaudits team as well based on today. Us too by the way but we aren't usually like that and I'm assuming Luton aren't either. Think it just turned into one of those games.

It was a horrible game to watch. 2 poor teams who are both obviously capable of so much more.

Happy with a point, but frustrated we didn't win near the end.

I didn't really see clearly what happened with the red card, but violent conduct so probably justified, however I reckon Hylton was lucky to escape punishment on a few occasions.
The ref was shocking to be fair, some of the horrible fouls Luton were getting away with were ridiculous. I thought when the ref booked the Luton player for wiping out Adams early on he was setting an example, but nope just no consistency after that.

Big positive is that we stopped the run of conceding 2+ goals every match.

HUGE negative is Mike Jones going off injured. Prey to god it's not as serious as I fear. He's the key man in our midfield, without him we'll struggle.

 

[shoddycollins]

Agree on the torture part but really not getting what you mean by not knowing who's attacking? It reads like you don't know the names of your players

The commentators don't always say who, and then there are times when the opposition also have a Jones or a Miller or so on. Sometimes it's just like 'oh that's a lovely ball forward, this could be a goal' and I don't know whether to be excited or worried.

 

[shoddycollins]

We really should have won that game, several guilt edge chances went begging. Marriott had to score, Vassell had to score but didn't even get his shot off late on, Cuthbert had to score from the corner. We very nearly managed to lose it at the end mind, Carlisle's number 10 should have buried it.

Good game to watch, very open and some decent football played. Points dropped big time for us though.

Hylton is absolutely class, love him.

Were you and FCH watching the same game? Was it open with decent football or horrible and niggly?

 

[hellogregory]

Na it wasn't a great game in my opinion. From our point of view we did the minimum requirement to get a point but Luton aren't as good as I expected them to be so if we'd played a bit more we could have took all 3.

We're not playing great at the moment. It's not as fluid as it was and it's all going a bit scrappy. It reminds me of last season when we just started going off the boil and really scrappy after Christmas.

 

[shoddycollins]

Na it wasn't a great game in my opinion. From our point of view we did the minimum requirement to get a point but Luton aren't as good as I expected them to be so if we'd played a bit more we could have took all 3.

We're not playing great at the moment. It's not as fluid as it was and it's all going a bit scrappy. It reminds me of last season when we just started going off the boil and really scrappy after Christmas.

I think we have it in us to play the scrappy games, we're doing well enough, it's just whether we're able to re-establish the superior football we played earlier on the season. There were glimpses of it against Mansfield but I wonder if teams set up differently against us that they did earlier in the season. We weren't expected to play especially open, passing football and when teams thought they could come and out-football us, we turned it on against them. Now for all the times we've not looked as dominant, I don't think anyone is trying to play football against us either.

 

[Carver]

Cmon HG stop being so negative will you.

When will you understand how football works?

 

[Bosox]

No idea what all of these "horrible fouls" Luton were supposedly getting away with were, mystifying match report there. The ref was hellishly weak on Carlisle timewasting though, could have started booking people in the 7th minute but decided not to take any action ever.

Thought it was a pretty entertaining game overall though, Luton should have won on the balance of chances but equally Adams mucked up a glorious opening when they were down to 10. No idea if the red was justified but the Carlisle defender did a good acting job of being outraged if he did elbow Hylton. He is obviously a pain in the arse to play against but what a signing Hylton has been, easily the best Luton signing since Andre Gray.

 

[hellogregory]

Cmon HG stop being so negative will you.

When will you understand how football works?

Have I been negative post match? I said it was a poor game because it was. Good point but I was expecting luton to be better so feel it's an opportunity for 3 points missed if we'd gone for it a bit more.

I've forgotten more than you know about football lad

 

[Boletus Edulis]

Radio commentary in general is torture to listen to, because half the time the commentators are getting excited, someone is attacking, but you don't know who. To be fair if someone misses from one yard out then it's not James Phillips' fault for getting your hopes up.

Our ace Janner, Sparsky, stopped commentating this year. I loved it, but it always sounded like we were in the process of scoring seventeen goals each game. Excitable is an understatement.

 

[hellogregory]

 

[That Fat Centre Half]

Not too sure about the red, it didn't look an elbow just an arm across the face that was probably not intentional. In balance his centre half partner should have gone for a second bookable offence moments after a pretty disgusting challenge on Hylton breaking over half way that's only intent seemed to be to injure.

 

[Judge Dredd]

Were you and FCH watching the same game? Was it open with decent football or horrible and niggly?

I think "horrible and niggly" is a bit harsh to be honest, there was certainly a fair amount of time-wasting going on and some bad tackles on Hylton who obviously got under the skin of some of your players. But I thought you looked a good footballing team personally, always looked to play out from the back, some lovely one-touch passing and some very incisive through balls down the flanks. Some real quality crosses delivered too.

I thought it was a good spectacle anyway, two fairly even teams on the day, lots of chances created, some not great defending.

 

[cufc17]

I quite enjoyed some of the Luton fans' reactions on Twitter, I'd rather we were a niggly team fighting for every point than a team with little fight.

Coin throwing is just stupid really.

 

[Carver]

Luton fans are scum for throwing coins at our players.

 

[shoddycollins]

A pound too... Chris Brunt had 50p thrown at him last season but before that it was all pennies... is this the effect of Brexit?

We must be doing the ugly side of the game right enough though, we don't always have to roll our sleeves up but whenever we do have to it always results in opposition match reports about how we're a niggle anti-football team and then slightly sour-grapes comments about how apparently that is what gets you promoted these days.

As for the suggestion we were time-wasting from the seventh minute, I don't see how that could be realistic, nobody at this level of football would surely contemplate time-wasting from such an early stage of the game.

Can anyone who saw it confirm whether the challenge on Adams right at the start of the game looked cynical, since we're being accused of sending players out to deliberately injure. Our commentators seemed to think, not so extreme as it being a case of deliberately trying to injure Adams, but certainly a cynical attempt to ruffle his feathers with someone putting in a crunching tackle and taking the foul at the first opportunity. Perhaps hoping the referee would be more lenient as they tend to do with very early fouls.

 

[djs]

The keeper was wasting time from the first goal kick after the opening goal. It was so blatant that I said that if the ref wanted to take a stand, then that was a really easy opportunity to cut it out at source.
Rea's tackle in the first couple of minutes was cynical, and unnecessary, and deserved a yellow. Unlike him.
Carlisle's no 15 was very lucky to stay on - I just think that the ref was too scared to give a second yellow so quickly after the first.
Did the Carlisle players get nose bleeds being so far south? Most of them went down VERY easily at various times, almost as if they were taking it in turns, or trying to get opponents booked for nothing.
However, overall I enjoyed the game. I thought that both sides showed enough to suggest that they will be in with a shout of promotion.

 

[hellogregory]

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As for the suggestion we were time-wasting from the seventh minute, I don't see how that could be realistic, nobody at this level of football would surely contemplate time-wasting from such an early stage of the game.

Can anyone who saw it confirm whether the challenge on Adams right at the start of the game looked cynical, since we're being accused of sending players out to deliberately injure. Our commentators seemed to think, not so extreme as it being a case of deliberately trying to injure Adams, but certainly a cynical attempt to ruffle his feathers with someone putting in a crunching tackle and taking the foul at the first opportunity. Perhaps hoping the referee would be more lenient as they tend to do with very early fouls.

We weren't time wasting from the 7th minute onwards at all. That's total bollocks, unless they class Jones getting treatment a few times after trying to run off the injury where he got his ankle cracked. He eventually went off so it wasn't "time wasting". Joyce also went down injured first half, but he really isn't the type to go down injured faking it just to waste time.

As for the foul on Adams, it was bad but I don't think it was deliberately setting out to injure him. It was a poor challenge and probably could have hurt him more than it did, just not a deliberate attempt to do serious damage to him imo. He rightly got booked for it.

 

[hellogregory]

Just seen the highlights. Christ the defending for Luton's goal looks even worse on video. Like I said during the match, we have to improve defensively otherwise it's only a matter of time before someone really punishes us for the frailties. The goals we're conceding are too easy.

The red card, Raynes has gone for the header and maybe does catch him with his elbow. Not convinced it was deliberate but no chance it would be overturned so he's banned for 3 games.

 

[Judge Dredd]

Your keeper was clearly given a final warning by the ref for time wasting early in the first half so it's not just something Luton fans have imagined.

 

[Carver]

YES we time wasted and so what, almost everyone does it.

If you don't like it then write a letter to FIFA.

 

[hellogregory]

It's a funny thing time wasting isn't it? Because seeing as the apparent time wasting occurs when the ball is not in play, the referee should be adding the time on at the end of the half, so really no time is wasted of the actual game.

The only real time wasting you get in football is when a player takes the ball into the corner to waste valuable seconds to see a game out. But that's perfectly legal unless you obstruct.

 

[Urban]

Luton fans in coin throwing SHOCKER? Well I never!