The BELEAGUERED Carlisle Utd Thread

[GTFCfish]

We heard you the first time mate.

 

[hellogregory]

Just back from wasting my time and money following this shower of shit at Harrogate.

Why do I do it? I know what this team is all about, I know it's toothless, I know it's gutless, I know we are 100% down. I stood on that terrace today and was seriously asking myself what the fuck I'm doing.

It's ranty this, but I'm pissed off.

We are down, I've known this for a while. Sorry to be brutal about it but Kendalcufc Tallow and whoever else have their heads in the clouds if they think these bunch of overpaid tossers can keep us up. The new players are garbage, as bad or worse than the shite we had before january. Hughes has been left with an impossible task.

And that is what I'm furious about most! How yet again for about the fourth consecutive time we have completely wasted a transfer window. Was it 12 players we brought in? Spent a fortune yet again and at best the quality is as bad as what we had, if not worse. We've completely neglected the problem areas of our team and if anything have made us even more toothless than we already were. What are we doing? There needs to be a serious rethink in how we go about recruiting and who is responsible for it. Questions need to be asked of the new sporting director for overseeing this mess. We have a squad of 30+ players costing more than probably any other squad in this league. It's beyond shameful. Credit to Hughes for slowing down the flow of goals conceded, but that'll only get us the odd 0-0 draw and a once in a blue moon 1-0 win. The lack of quality in the creative attacking areas is as bad as anything we've had.

This is the worst Carlisle United team I've ever seen and sadly it continues failing to surprise me. This is why I didn't join in the champagne flowing wankfest that followed the win at Barrow, because we've been here before and I KNEW we wouldn't back it up. I just knew. I said it last week after the game. It's so predictably shit this team. The same thing happened after we won in december, same thing in January, and oh look, the same thing again. We will win again this season, probably/maybe, but it will be another complete one off sandwiched among a load of crap drab pathetic defeats and the odd draw.

We are shit, we are 100% down. I was hoping that we might see at least some signs of progress ahead of the national league next season, but I'm not sure this team is capable of even that.

What a load of shite. Absolutely furious after watching that today. Some of our fans need to wake up, smell the vanarama fumes and realise the complete mess we are in.

 

[Tallow]

Yeah, we're in a mess, undeniable.
But, looking at all the remaining fixtures, there's still points and safety to fight for.
Win or lose, a lot of our fans overreact.
We're running out of games, but it's not over yet.

 

[BigDaveCUFC]

Why on earth did hughes go back to 3 at the back…..it’s failed for 2 years, it has been improving with 4 at the back…..why just why??

As said before not fussed on the survive, won’t survive aspect, more fussed on the working on this team to get some confidence back……reverting back to the same sh*te which has not at all suited this squad for the entire season wasn’t the way to go.

Teams awful, hughes ain’t going g to get a big reversal out of it, but he needs at least to show he knows what he’s doing and isn’t going to make the same idiotic mistakes Simpson and Williamson made, he will just lose fanbase support with that.

 

[Tallow]

Kelly returning could be significant, according to the local paper.
That would give us a strike force of Hugill, Bevan, Dennis and Kelly.
I can see us scoring a few in these 3 upcoming home games with this prolific quartet available.

 

[BigDaveCUFC]

Kelly has not lasted longer than a week in 14 months playing time at carlisle

What madness suggests he will suddenly play games

 

[hellogregory]

Reading my post match rant back, man was I pissed off after watching that.

Not that I was surprised, because I fully expected the barrow win to be a complete one off. It’s the reason we’re going down, we can’t back up a win, we just aren’t capable of it. Look at barrow’s reaction to that game against us, go to notts county and win, then follow it up with a home win v Accrington. 6 points. If only we were capable of such an amazing run of form.

And having watched Hughes post match interviews, I don’t think he’s at all impressed with the diabolical transfer window the club just had. Signing a load of unfit players in a relegation “battle” - we are in march and some players still can’t get close to 90 . Then there’s the complete oversight of not signing adequate quality to improve our shockingly shit forward line. Now we’re apparently relying on a complete crock that so far hasn’t gone 2 weeks without getting injured since joining 13 months ago.

There seriously needs to be a review of the whole sporting director / recruitment team and their strategies. Because January was pathetic, we could all see it. We can’t afford another bad transfer window, this summer is so important if we want any chance of regaining our football league status.

 

[hellogregory]

I don’t expect to win today but I want to see some positive progressive signs. Maybe actually create some opportunities for a change. Maybe even test the Wimbledon keeper!

One goal from open play in Mark Hughes’ seven games. It was obvious where the problems have been. January was a shit show failure.

 

[hellogregory]

Not just going down, going down with a whimper… again.

Utterly pathetic again today.

This is the worst football league team I’ve ever seen. Words can’t do it justice.

 

[クレイグ]

Not just going down, going down with a whimper… again.

Utterly pathetic again today.

This is the worst football league team I’ve ever seen. Words can’t do it justice.

Football can be crap sometimes, mate. Hope you don't go down but if you do hope you bounce back up.

 

[BigDaveCUFC]

Hopefully now it’s time for everyone to forget this season and just get focused on the next

Don’t really blame hughes for this current spell he’s just been shoved into an awful situation at the wrong time with a squad that looked ok on paper……..and then he finally seen it!!!!

But we do now have to seriously decide is hughes who we want hitting at non league?? We are in a desperately serious position and could easily drop down again if it’s not stabilised. Personally hughes for me is t the answer for non league although he may at least stabilise the situation in the summer

Also then who can we keep because we cannot keep buying an entire new starting 11 every 6 months and hope one day it works we finally need to keep the 4-5 players who work and build on that……but where are the 4/5 players because I’ve never in all my time following Carlisle seen such a total disconnection between players and fanbase, even atrocious teams in the past would get some surge of backing this lot out zero effort in game after game and the fanbase hate the lot of them.

 

[hellogregory]

Whether Hughes is the man to get us challenging at the right end of the national league next season, I do not know. I’m leaning towards no, but then I remember the shit tip he’s been left with. Jury is still out…

But what has to change is who is responsible for recruiting and how we do it. Every single recent transfer window we’ve spent a fortune and come out the other end with an even worse team. I honestly didn’t think we could get any worse than we were pre January, then we let Rob Clarkson and Mike Williamson loose with the purse strings in January and look at the shower of shit we’ve ended up with. I hope we are planning for NL now, the sooner we do the better.

I’d sack the sporting director, I’d sack Greg Abbott from whatever it is he’s doing now, I’d sack the chief executive and replace him with someone fresh. Then I’d try to clear out as many of the expensive wasters as possible whether that be transfers, loans or contract settlements.

It will be expensive and drastic but it needs to be. An overhaul is an absolute must. Mistakes can’t be made again. We cannot keep going like this, we must get it right in the national league or I dread to think what could happen.

 

[Cloudy]

Whether Hughes is the man to get us challenging at the right end of the national league next season, I do not know. I’m leaning towards no, but then I remember the shit tip he’s been left with. Jury is still out…

But what has to change is who is responsible for recruiting and how we do it. Every single recent transfer window we’ve spent a fortune and come out the other end with an even worse team. I honestly didn’t think we could get any worse than we were pre January, then we let Rob Clarkson and Mike Williamson loose with the purse strings in January and look at the shower of shit we’ve ended up with. I hope we are planning for NL now, the sooner we do the better.

I’d sack the sporting director, I’d sack Greg Abbott from whatever it is he’s doing now, I’d sack the chief executive and replace him with someone fresh. Then I’d try to clear out as many of the expensive wasters as possible whether that be transfers, loans or contract settlements.

It will be expensive and drastic but it needs to be. An overhaul is an absolute must. Mistakes can’t be made again. We cannot keep going like this, we must get it right in the national league or I dread to think what could happen.

Paul Hurst is your man. Two promotions from NL. He knows how it works. For me Hughes will struggle in the NL, as would most who haven’t experienced it. It is a whole new ball game

 

[クレイグ]

Isn't Hughes on a rolling contract or something? Be surprised if they keep him on for next season.

 

[hellogregory]

Isn't Hughes on a rolling contract or something? Be surprised if they keep him on for next season.

Yeah he is. As was Williamson.

Think there’s a release clause in them that we have to pay if we want to terminate them.

 

[hellogregory]

Paul Hurst is your man. Two promotions from NL. He knows how it works. For me Hughes will struggle in the NL, as would most who haven’t experienced it. It is a whole new ball game

Not a bad shout.

I wouldn’t be surprised if we try to tempt Evatt again. We spoke to him before appointing Hughes.

 

[Tallow]

How do we get shot of the players on 3 yr contracts?

 

[BigDaveCUFC]

We don’t unfortunately we have to hope again that if given some confidence and a lower level some of them finally deliver.

Cannot keep buying new squads every 6 months.

You’d hope wyke will be a good forward in the national league, Scott has a good non league record and maybe between them we might finally have an attack.

God knows what happens with the rest, I’d think breeze we get one more season as he’s not ready for a move yet so goalie is done.

We didn’t see drummet he may be the experienced centre back we need but there is nothing else there at all.

And the midfield……where do you start with it.

Hughes is 100% not the manager we need if we want to get back up his record shows he doesn’t know how to do promotion, he may be a good choice if we are using next season to just steady the ship get the basis of a squad built and plan for the following season I don’t see hughes making as big a sh*theap of the transfers as Simpson or Williamson.

But my worry is he’s losing the fanbase already and our club just feels like it needs some passionate arrogant gobsh*te it charge who maybe will annoy but would fire up the fans

 

[hellogregory]

How do we get shot of the players on 3 yr contracts?

It’s going to be tough and expensive.

It might be a case of having to get them out temporarily like we did with Luke Armstrong - loan deals, even if it means we still have to cover half the wages.

Not all of them need to go, but a lot do.

 

[White Army]

What are the chances of your owners throwing the towel in if you go down and saying enough is enough?

 

[hellogregory]

What are the chances of your owners throwing the towel in if you go down and saying enough is enough?

There’s always the chance that any owners could do that, but I don’t think they will at this stage. They’ve invested too much to just walk away this early.

However if we get stuck down there for 3/4 years I think they will get sick of it and could very well walk away. Its why these next 4/5 months are so important in terms of getting things right ahead of the national league season.

 

[Tallow]

What are the chances of your owners throwing the towel in if you go down and saying enough is enough?

How long is a piece of string?

 

[BigDaveCUFC]

I don’t think they will leave but I have a feeling the interest may wain until we start winning games……like any owners no one likes abuse and I’d say if they attend games currently many will hurl it at them.

But them having a half ars*d approach may actually benefit in the short term. Maybe will allow us to appoint someone running the show over here who is more sensible and we can then ditch this constant ‘ignore what we have we can replace the lot’ approach we have had for 2 seasons now.

I’ve said it before people complain the entire squad of players has zero care here, but what can you expect when twice we had had managers Simpson and then Williamson openly constantly talk about getting to a transfer window to replace the lot, fans constantly talking about wanting rid of the lot and media constantly saying thank god we can replace the lot (and remember media here is a lot more important than most clubs as it gets top and full daily coverage)

If everyone from manager coaches fans media constantly tells you that your worthless and not good enough you are not giving to give a crap about that club and it’s shown a long time.

We need someone now to finally work on what we have add to it and get the best out of it and stop this constant 6 month garbage removal service we run.