The Boxing Thread

[Master D]

The Eubanks are proper arseholes but Jr is a Box Office fighter, isn't he? Rarely in a dull fight and he's one of those fighters you just want to watch, irrespective of whether you want him to win or lose. I'll gladly pay the PPV fee for the Groves fight.

Stupid thing is if they had put last night on terrestrial lots would have seen him destroy the bloke and raise his profile and had people thinking he was a killer. They could then have marketed this into a successful PPV against Groves, who is also well known to the general public. But no, they want to fleece everyone straightaway. Seriously I'd love to know how many people in the UK actually bought that last night.

I too would buy a Groves v Eubank fight as I believe it justifies PPV and I'm not sure Eubank can find a way to pull out of this one, I reckon the penalties for doing so are probably huge.

 

[GodsGift]

Yeah I agree, pretty farcical that Eubank v Yildrim and Groves v Cox are PPV fights.

 

[Abertawe]

Joyce in his ballsy debut versus Lewison on Dave tonight. Gotta admire Haye with his ambition. Willy Huthchinson is supposed to be a very good talent.

 

[Gilly?]

Didn't think too much of Joyce, I found him very robotic but Lewison for a first fight isn't a bad scalp at all. At 32, Joyce will need to fast track as he made his debut.

MVP I thought was intriguing, his unorthodox style was entertaining and when he started using that jab life became very difficult for the bloke he floored. He's going to have to use it if he wants to get anywhere as throwing single shots won't work as he progresses. The jam coming from crazy angles could be a real weapon.

 

[Master D]

Joyce's left hook is awful, he is very stiff. Can't see him doing much more than British title level.

Loads on tonight but I'll be watching Burnett v Zhakiyanov, should be a quality fight. Boring Josh Warrington making his BT debut but Catterall v Nurse will be a good domestic fight on that card.

 

[Abertawe]

Lot's of people slating Joyce which I think is unfair. He was never going to transition into Ali just because he's turned pro. Joyce looked like Joyce. He asserted and took over the first round with his excellent jab and the work rate for a big guy on his debut (despite being against a pudding, 11 weeks notice he had can you believe that!) was very good. Considering even the matrix man Lomachenko looked underwhelming when he first turned over I think we can cut him some slack. Joyce isn't on AJ's or either Fury's level but it's clear as day to me he's got more about him than the likes of Whyte & Chisora. He's under an excellent coach and has the bare materials to make it a horrible night for almost anyone, I look forward seeing how his career develops.

I can't get onboard with Pokemon man unfortunately. When you're against bums just get the job done. Showboating should be confined to big fights where the psychological battle is just as important as the physical one, ala Tyson v Wlad.

Great night of boxing tonight as Mast D says. BT card pisses on Sky's though for me. Will be interesting to see the likes of Zelfa Barrett & Leon Woodstock as they take their first steps into the mainstream, both are very highly rated.. On paper Metcalfe v Jones is a really good match up too. I just hope the main event on Sky doesn't clash with Nurse v Catterall. I don't mind sacrificing Warrington - Ceylan despite that being a good fight in it's own right but Nurse - Catterall should be class. It's be like a fight between two 'Murican slicksters rather than some Chorley lad fighting a lad from Huddersfield.

 

[claret50]

Joshua vs Takam.
Decent stream of the undercard.

http://buffstreamz.com/watch/boxing.php

 

[Master D]

Must say I think Wilder beats Whyte based on that. Whyte has no power and he was rocked by Hellenius a few times early there. Though I don't rate Wilder, if he's taking those shots from him he's not getting up.

 

[claret50]

French commentary but a quality stream.

http://www.sport365.live/en/player/...f4f52b9f25a/AnthonyJoshua-CarlosTakam/960/540

 

[Gilly?]

I'd still give Whyte a chance against against Wilder. Once he starts windmilling I reckon Whyte would have enough about him to land a few.

 

[Gilly?]

Takam is a warrior but no complaints over the stoppage there. He'd lost every round and was a few punches from getting really hurt.

 

[Master D]

Takam deserves his big payday for that. Gave it a good go and didn't do a Martin or Molina and fall over straight away and give up.

We simply need Tyson Fury back fit and focused. I have switched my opinion back to him toying with AJ and comprehensively UD'd him.

 

[T.A]

Takam deserves his big payday for that. Gave it a good go and didn't do a Martin or Molina and fall over straight away and give up.

We simply need Tyson Fury back fit and focused. I have switched my opinion back to him toying with AJ and comprehensively UD'd him.

Do you think Fury will come back? I don't think he's got it in him tbh.

 

[Master D]

Do you think Fury will come back? I don't think he's got it in him tbh.

Well at the moment he isn't allowed to come back anyway. But surely watching that he believes he is the only man that can derail the AJ juggernaut.

 

[Abertawe]

Fury would have to put on a masterclass or he's getting jobbed on the cards. Joshua is really shit at disguising his fatigue and is slow so long as you don't stand in front of him.

 

[spireite]

A fully fit (big if) Fury in the right frame of mind and off the charlie would just confuse the fuck out of Joshua. That herky jerky style he had against Klit would work wonders. My only worry is that I think the way to beat AJ is to go to the body, and to deliver good body shots you need to be right inside Joshua's wheelhouse. Joshua keeps his hands high and that right is well trained to be at home all the time. It's an intriguing one. We know Furys chin isn't amazing, so one good shot and it's all over you feel. I doubt that the fight will ever happen though. Fury nerds a good full year in camp and then a good few warm ups against easy guys. You don't just get in with Joshua after 3 years out of the ring.

Wilder V Joshua is the one I want to see tbh. That fucker would really test AJs chin, even though it came through a good test against Klit. Would the Klit that turned up against AJ beat Fury? Probably

 

[Gilly?]

I really don't rate Wilder, Stiverne is the best he's fought and even then he hid behind a pretty average jab and didn't throw anything over special. I'd expect him to do the same to AJ and AJ just put him on his arse.

A fit Fury would take AJ on points but he'd have to rely on pre-fight mind games. Against Klitschko he'd already won the fight, there's no one better (or funnier) than a pre-fight Fury.

 

[Abertawe]

The Wlad that fought Tyson was as good, if not better, than the AJ version. AJ will look like the stiff novice he is when confronted with the gypsy king. Plus AJ hasn't got a gas tank whereas GK will go all day. Cannot wait. The casual fandom and Sky hype machine are gonna get an education as to purebred hw boxing.

 

[Master D]

The stamina is a good point, Joshua has badly gassed at certain times in the last 2 fights. He completely punched himself out against Wlad in the 5th round trying to finish him and was then on the verge of getting stopped himself. Fury has proved he can stick and move for 12 rounds.

There can't be any bigger motivation for Fury than to come back and reclaim his belts from AJ at Wembley. It's the warmup fights that would concern me in terms of can Fury get himself motivated for those fights, I'm not so sure he can.

Imagine it though, it would be the biggest fight ever in this country. I would pay PPV money just to see each press conference.

 

[Liam_SWFC]

Hope Stiverne KO's Wilder tonight, Brezeale V Molina as well no doubt the winner of that will be installed as Wilder's mandatory, WBC protection programme. Monaco card as well tonight, be interesting to see if Chisora can get up for this fight.

 

[Master D]

Stiverne was in disgraceful condition, hugely overweight with zero desire to win. He literally just stood there not moving and waited for Wilder to detonate off on him.

If by some chance the fight does happen then Joshua needs to come in a lot lighter than his last couple of fights but he should still destroy him. Wilder's opponents are almost always fat pigs who can't move like Stiverne, Arreola, Molina etc. I just think Joshua would be too physically strong for Wilder. Fury with his boxing IQ would have a field day with the erratic Wilder too.

 

[Liam_SWFC]

Wilder will continue fighting bums until Joshua gives him his cash out, I don't get why he won't fight Whyte because I think he knocks him out and makes an easy 4M.

 

[Gilly?]

Saw nothing in the Stiverne fight that changes my mind about him. The fact he skips leg day to me means he won't last long against someone who can punch back, there's nothing there to absorb any sort of decent punch. AJ finishes him in a five and a fit and hungry Fury will box his head off.

 

[spireite]

It's dead easy to poo poo on Wilder because of who he's fought, but honestly, I think the reach of that straight right and the power behind it troubles anyone, with the right tactics behind it. The way he throws it, it catches people out thinking they are safe. That is a long long shot

 

[Abertawe]

It's a shame he's shit cuz I do like his jib. BOMBSQUAD!

 

[Gilly?]

If he can learn to stay behind a decent jab he'd be properly good I think, but I don't think his jab is very good so he's still got a way to go for me. His power is scary though.

 

[Liam_SWFC]

Wilder is very powerful but his technique is dreadful, if he starts windmilling against Joshua he'll have the boxing ability to deal with it and probably counter and knock him out.

Dereck Chisora beaten for the European title should ruin any chance of the Whyte rematch. That Monaco card was dreadful...

 

[Abertawe]

Wilder got out jabbed by Gerald Washington. He has no hope but to windmill but hey, BOMBSQUAD

 

[Master D]

Wilder is very powerful but his technique is dreadful, if he starts windmilling against Joshua he'll have the boxing ability to deal with it and probably counter and knock him out.

Dereck Chisora beaten for the European title should ruin any chance of the Whyte rematch. That Monaco card was dreadful...

Sky raved about Bivol but the guy he fought looked like he didn't really want to get up after that knockdown. Still, anyone who throws power shots like that right down the pipe with a solid stance will be a scary prospect. He looks like yet another heavy-handed Eastern European with huge amateur pedigree who will be a force at 175lb.

 

[Master D]

Haye v Bellew is off after Haye has realised his body is finished and has invented some 'freak' accident as a cover story. Talk of a new date next year is laughable to be honest, the man is shot to bits.