The Labour Thread

[The Jovial Forester]

It was so patently a load of made-up bollocks that it's embarrassing some dumb Tory has got themselves sued over it. Hope they have to pay a fat sum to that food bank. Eastern bloc must be chocablock with pissed up old spies willing to say whatever you want for a few bob for booze and the chance to feel relevant again.

 

[Pagnell]

Senior Tory apologises for libellous tweet about Jeremy Corbyn

Conservative Party Vice Chair Ben Bradley has apologised unreservedly for a libellous tweet about Jeremy Corbyn, pledged to never repeat the claims in any form, agreed to make a substantial donation to charities of the Labour Leader’s choosing and meet his legal costs.
Jeremy will be splitting the funds between a homeless charity and a foodbank in Mr Bradley’s constituency of Mansfield.

Mr Bradley’s apology, which he will also tweet and ask followers to retweet, says:

“On 19 February 2018 I made a seriously defamatory statement on my Twitter account, ‘Ben Bradley MP (@bbradleymp)’, about Jeremy Corbyn, alleging he sold British secrets to communist spies. I have since deleted the defamatory tweet. I have agreed to pay an undisclosed substantial sum of money to a charity of his choice, and I will also pay his legal costs.

“I fully accept that my statement was wholly untrue and false. I accept that I caused distress and upset to Jeremy Corbyn by my untrue and false allegations, suggesting he had betrayed his country by collaborating with foreign spies.

“I am very sorry for publishing this untrue and false statement and I have no hesitation in offering my unreserved and unconditional apology to Jeremy Corbyn for the distress I have caused him.”

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I bet that left a sour taste in the mouth. Fucking idiot.

 

[The Jovial Forester]

 

[Pagnell]

Fucking pathetic that this grovelling apology is barely being reported. Virtually nothing about it on Sky or even the BBC. It would be everywhere if it was a Labour MP who had made himself look like a complete numpty. Pathetic. My respect for the BBC in particular has gone right down the shitter in the last two years. Fucking right wing mouthpiece.

 

[Laker]

So “soft Brexit” for Labour then - finally we have clarity of their position.

I voted Labour at the last election but I’m not in favour of this at all. Basically negates the purpose of holding the referendum from what I can see, effectively seems like accepting the result is a mistake. Given the Labour leader wanted Brexit, I find this stance curious.

 

[AFCB_Mark]

So “soft Brexit” for Labour then - finally we have clarity of their position.

I voted Labour at the last election but I’m not in favour of this at all. Basically negates the purpose of holding the referendum from what I can see, effectively seems like accepting the result is a mistake. Given the Labour leader wanted Brexit, I find this stance curious.

Their election manifesto was supposed to provide black and white clarity on their position. That's what voters would have potentially voted them into government to enact. Changing stance again, less than a year later, to a plan which far as we know has never been on the table as far as the EU is concerned, is indeed curious. I imagine the softer rhetoric is intended to bridge the Labour party's brexit and remain constituents, although probably pleasing neither camp.

 

[BeesKnees]

Their election manifesto was supposed to provide black and white clarity on their position. That's what voters would have potentially voted them into government to enact. Changing stance again, less than a year later, to a plan which far as we know has never been on the table as far as the EU is concerned, is indeed curious. I imagine the softer rhetoric is intended to bridge the Labour party's brexit and remain constituents, although probably pleasing neither camp.

Despite the hype I struggle to see how it is a change in stance, the manifesto said retain benefits of customs union and they've all been saying they want to keep negotiating a customs union on the table since the election.

All I can see is that its the first speech by Corbyn acknowledging it rather than there being a genuine change.

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

A transgender model, who was fired by L'Oreal for her comments in which she said all white people are racist, has been appointed as a Labour equalities advisor.

 

[markwwfc1992]

A transgender model, who was fired by L'Oreal for her comments in which she said all white people are racist, has been appointed as a Labour equalities advisor.

The gift that keeps on giving. Decisions like this will drive more and more working class Labour voters away from the party. Fancy hiring somebody who brands 'all white people as racists' as an equality advisor... talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

 

[Pagnell]

Labour support amongst the working class is as good as it's been for years and this won't change that given that there is literally zero alternative when it comes to getting the vile cnuts out that currently shit on the populace. So don't talk shite.

 

[markwwfc1992]

Labour will always be a party for the benefit scroungers of this country whom are afraid of a days work. That will never change so rest assured Labour will be able to continue to rely on their votes.

Corbyn seems hell bent on turning Labour into the exteme left. I speak for many of my working class Labour voting friends whom say they have lost all confidence in the party. I'd be curious to see how many other long term working class Labour voters felt the same.

 

[Pagnell]

Labour will always be a party for the benefit scroungers of this country whom are afraid of a days work. That will never change so rest assured Labour will be able to continue to rely on their votes.

You're either pretending to be an odious c*** for effect or you actually are one.

 

[The Jovial Forester]

Labour will always be a party for the benefit scroungers of this country whom are afraid of a days work.

Cheers for that professor, top analysis of the structural unemployment issues of post-industrial capitalism and a mirror into the empty void where your soul might be.

 

[markwwfc1992]

You're either pretending to be an odious c*** for effect or you actually are one.

Hit a nerve? Labour has always catered for that section of the vote, you're deluding yourself if you think some bloke who has sat on his arse for the last 30 years claiming benefits votes conservative.

 

[Pagnell]

Yes, I'm 46 and haven't worked since I left school in 1989.

c*** .

 

[BeesKnees]

Hit a nerve? Labour has always catered for that section of the vote, you're deluding yourself if you think some bloke who has sat on his arse for the last 30 years claiming benefits votes conservative.

The number of long term unemployed is around 300k, if that's Labour's target audience then they are seriously missing the mark.

More likely it is you that fails to understand that the target audience is working people who have to claim benefits because employers are no longer paying enough to meet living costs in the knowledge they can pocket the profit while tax payers pick up the tab.

 

[markwwfc1992]

The number of long term unemployed is around 300k, if that's Labour's target audience then they are seriously missing the mark.

More likely it is you that fails to understand that the target audience is working people who have to claim benefits because employers are no longer paying enough to meet living costs in the knowledge they can pocket the profit while tax payers pick up the tab.

It's not an audience they need to target, it's an audience they'll always have without fail. Hence why Labour can rely on their vote no matter who their leader is.

 

[BeesKnees]

It's not an audience they need to target, it's an audience they'll always have without fail. Hence why Labour can rely on their vote no matter who their leader is.

If its guaranteed then there is no need to cater for them, reality is its a demographic that is least likely to vote so has little value in elections.
Its like saying tories pander to the privileged wealth when in reality they pander to pensioners because they are the voters, and they do so to the detriment of working age and young adults.

 

[Pagnell]

 

[AFCB_Mark]

 

[Pagnell]

Odious, weasel-faced little cretin didn't apologise I notice.

 

[The Paranoid Pineapple]

^ Absolutely. If you're making those sort of accusations you make damn sure you get you're facts right. It's not something that's difficult to verify. It's evident they're just going for the "sling enough mud and some of it might stick" tactic with regards Corybn and terrorism sympathies. Bit weird given it didn't work back in June. Curiously, I've noted relatively few questions regarding HMG and its cosy relationship with the biggest state sponsor of terror, Saudi Arabia.

Fucking pathetic that this grovelling apology is barely being reported. Virtually nothing about it on Sky or even the BBC. It would be everywhere if it was a Labour MP who had made himself look like a complete numpty. Pathetic. My respect for the BBC in particular has gone right down the shitter in the last two years. Fucking right wing mouthpiece.

Bit harsh on the Beeb I think as I'm not sure they ever gave much credence to the story in the first place. They did also air an interview by Andrew Neil (who's about as Tory as they come) in which he fairly comprehensively dismantled Steve Baker's attempted defence of the accusations.

I agree with the gist of your post post though - I think it's obscene that government ministers, after railing against social media and fake news, just mouth feeble platitudes about the "free press" when confronted with the reality that they print things which are just manifestly untrue. I see they've axed Leveson 2 today which rather supports the idea that they're completely in hock to the press barons.

Despite the hype I struggle to see how it is a change in stance, the manifesto said retain benefits of customs union and they've all been saying they want to keep negotiating a customs union on the table since the election.

All I can see is that its the first speech by Corbyn acknowledging it rather than there being a genuine change.

Yes, I think the wording of the manifesto is deliberately vague! The customs union move seems a reasonable one to me (I do rather fail to see how you can reasonably resolve the Irish border issue without one, but hey... ). At the risk of being accused of being a treacherous remoaner I do rather think the whole fiasco is a rather sorry mess. Almost 2 years in and it feels as though very little progress has been made and we still have very little idea as to what sort of Brexit might be delivered. Sooner or later the PM has to make a stark choice. There's no way she's going to be able to satisfy the different factions in her party and the sooner she recognises this the better for all concerned. At the moment I fear we're enjoying an all-cake diet (Labour are guilty of this too) - pleasant for the time being but liable to make us sick. I don't think you can forever keep promising the electorate they'll get everything they want without sacrifice.

 

[The Paranoid Pineapple]

Much of this obviously comes back to the fact that, in many ways, the referendum was extremely ill-conceived. No one ever managed to articulate a coherent vision as to how Brexit might look in the event that it actually happened. There were aims and wants, but there was very little thought given to the practical implementation of the thing. As such I can't see how groups like the ERG can complain that their particular vision of Brexit (which actually seems fairly devoid of substance when it comes to practical considerations) isn't being enacted. Won't stop them of course...

 

[Red]

Labour will always be a party for the benefit scroungers of this country whom are afraid of a days work. That will never change so rest assured Labour will be able to continue to rely on their votes.

Corbyn seems hell bent on turning Labour into the exteme left. I speak for many of my working class Labour voting friends whom say they have lost all confidence in the party. I'd be curious to see how many other long term working class Labour voters felt the same.

He's right. Corbyn is a secret Commie. Right at this very moment in time he is building Gulags for political prisoners and palaces for 'benefit scroungers'.

If you had even the remotest idea about political ideology Mark, you'd know that Corbyn's policies are created to benefit working class people. Did you even read the election manifesto or are your views on him based on the rammel in The Scum?

 

[Pagnell]

Bit harsh on the Beeb I think as I'm not sure they ever gave much credence to the story in the first place. They did also air an interview by Andrew Neil (who's about as Tory as they come) in which he fairly comprehensively dismantled Steve Baker's attempted defence of the accusations.

https://skwawkbox.org/2018/03/17/video-bbc-newsnight-denies-altering-corbyn-photo-oh-really/

 

[AFCB_Mark]

https://skwawkbox.org/2018/03/17/video-bbc-newsnight-denies-altering-corbyn-photo-oh-really/

I dont know why the BBC didn't just go the whole hog and photoshop the Kremlin into the background of this, would look far better

 

[Pagnell]

I dont know why the BBC didn't just go the whole hog and photoshop the Kremlin into the background of this, would look far better
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I've got absolutely zero respect for the BBC these days. It makes me laugh to think that at one point they were my go to to source for impartial news. Perhaps they were just as bad back then and I was just naive. That old joke really does hit the nail on the head when it comes to the BBC and Corbyn in particular.

If a tree falls in the forest and no one hears it, do the BBC still report that it was Jeremy Corbyn's fault?

 

[mowgli]

I've got absolutely zero respect for the BBC these days. It makes me laugh to think that at one point they were my go to to source for impartial news.

They've been anti right wing for decades with their left leaning news reports it's got to the point i can't watch it i watch ITV News At Ten instead as Sky News has gone the way of The BBC especially when it come to Brexit, unbiased The BBC claim which is utter bollocks! If you think they are anti Corbyn and the left you are deluded they love him.

 

[The Jovial Forester]

If you think they are anti Corbyn and the left you are deluded they love him.

Don't be daft. They're largely a bunch of public school educated Oxbridge liberal luvvies who hate both Corbyn for being old-school Labour and brexit because they might have to send the nanny home. Key thing is they are the elite and know best and the rest of us should just lap up their insights.

 

[Pagnell]

If you think they are anti Corbyn and the left you are deluded they love him.

The BBC love Corbyn? Give me a fucking break.