the middle east Thread

[Aber gas]

some sensitive types on this side of the forum isn't there, as if anything we do or say will change anything........it's just an informal chat

I was just interested in what you would like to see changed. Not being sensitive.

 

[Aber gas]

Tit for tat you forget the 100's of thousands of europeans that were enslaved by muslims for 100's of years............but you only ever hear of the plight of black slaves though...........we are supreme, hence why all the world wish to live here

I think the reason that the "plight of black slaves " is given more profile than the Barbary slave trade is probably because the former still has a relevance in terms of racial politics and relationships whilst the latter isn't really relevant to our current situation. As you say Europe has recovered well.

 

[blade1889]

I was just interested in what you would like to see changed. Not being sensitive.

Given his commentary on a certain US presidential candidate I imagine he is similarly good at spouting hot air without any realistic answers on how to stop terrorism, except for repeating that its the Muslims fault and all the bad in the world is thanks to Islam.

 

[johnnytodd]

Given his commentary on a certain US presidential candidate I imagine he is similarly good at spouting hot air without any realistic answers on how to stop terrorism, except for repeating that its the Muslims fault and all the bad in the world is thanks to Islam.

not at all some of the worst hardships around the world fall upon muslims...............the biggest difference i see is muslims failing to adapt or intergrate and i believe their faith is the biggest factor..............the same cannot be said most other religions.

 

[johnnytodd]

I think the reason that the "plight of black slaves " is given more profile than the Barbary slave trade is probably because the former still has a relevance in terms of racial politics and relationships whilst the latter isn't really relevant to our current situation. As you say Europe has recovered well.

is the fact that most black slave owners were Jewish ever brought up? no it is protraid as a white problem, not jewish

don't get me started on the poor irish and what muslims done to them

 

[Dr Mantis Toboggan]

not at all some of the worst hardships around the world fall upon muslims...............the biggest difference i see is muslims failing to adapt or intergrate and i believe their faith is the biggest factor..............the same cannot be said most other religions.

cough cough bosnia/kosovo cough cough

those troops being blessed were to go on to srebenica, a place in which thousands of christian civilians were brutally massacred by muslims

shocking. fuck islam

 

[Aber gas]

is the fact that most black slave owners were Jewish ever brought up? no it is protraid as a white problem, not jewish

don't get me started on the poor irish and what muslims done to them

Apologies for being rude or abrupt but that's nonsense. Slave owners were predominately white Christians , mainly Baptist in the southern states. Could you tell me more about the tyranny suffered by the irish under Islam. Forgive my ignorance but I've never heard about it.

 

[blade1889]

not at all some of the worst hardships around the world fall upon muslims...............the biggest difference i see is muslims failing to adapt or intergrate and i believe their faith is the biggest factor..............the same cannot be said most other religions.

I'm not sure if you expect people to integrate straight away? Because obviously it will take time. And I suspect for any religious person it will take time to integrate into a society that was founded on a separate religion. Be that Muslims going to a Christian country or visa versa. I have to be honest and say I have never known a muslim that hasn't integrated although quite clearly there are some.

And lets be reight here...once again we are talking about a minority of one religion, and using that minority to be representative of the majority.

And again you've avoided the question that's been asked at least three times in different ways...what is your suggestion? Because right now all you are doing is letting out hot air with no solution to a perceived issue. The perceived issue being muslims but actual issue being terrorism.

 

[mnb089mnb]

is the fact that most black slave owners were Jewish ever brought up?

Where does that statistic come from?

 

[RavenBish]

Dunno, because they definitely weren't.

'To keep matters in perspective, we should note that in the American South, in 1830, there were only 120 Jews among the 45,000 slaveholders owning twenty or more slaves and only twenty Jews among the 12,000 slaveholders owning fifty or more slaves.'

 

[johnnytodd]

Where does that statistic come from?

numerous sources my friend, several books i've read down the years

 

[johnnytodd]

Dunno, because they definitely weren't.

'To keep matters in perspective, we should note that in the American South, in 1830, there were only 120 Jews among the 45,000 slaveholders owning twenty or more slaves and only twenty Jews among the 12,000 slaveholders owning fifty or more slaves.'

you have plucked that from google havent you?

 

[mnb089mnb]

numerous sources my friend, several books i've read down the years

What books?

 

[HertsWolf]

I was in the minority that found Johnny mildly amusing in the Prem forum but fuck me it's easy to go off someone, isn't it?

I think that mantle has been taken on by G.B. in these forums.

 

[RavenBish]

you have plucked that from google havent you?

Yes mate, because it's the 21st century. We google things.

 

[HertsWolf]

i view it as a symbol of victory over sinners........

Ummm. Christianity is about saving sinners, not having a victory over them.....

It's also about forgiveness, loving your neighbour, compassion and humanity. These all appear to be skills that you have been cleverly hiding of late.

Shouldn't your avatar have a burning lawn below the cross?

 

[johnnytodd]

Apologies for being rude or abrupt but that's nonsense. Slave owners were predominately white Christians , mainly Baptist in the southern states. Could you tell me more about the tyranny suffered by the irish under Islam. Forgive my ignorance but I've never heard about it.

1000's of irish were taken to North Africa by muslim raiders............thats common knowledge to most interested in the history of white slaves.

 

[johnnytodd]

Yes mate, because it's the 21st century. We google things.

oh right i just googled ' mongolian bog rate mating habits' but would not join a debate pretending to know anything about it whatsoever.

 

[johnnytodd]

Ummm. Christianity is about saving sinners, not having a victory over them.....

It's also about forgiveness, loving your neighbour, compassion and humanity. These all appear to be skills that you have been cleverly hiding of late.

Shouldn't your avatar have a burning lawn below the cross?

i did but there is now 100's of muslims camped on it

 

[RavenBish]

oh right i just googled ' mongolian bog rate mating habits' but would not join a debate pretending to know anything about it whatsoever.

I'll leave the Jewish Slave Owners Debate to the PROFESSIONALS then.

 

[blade1889]

oh right i just googled ' mongolian bog rate mating habits' but would not join a debate pretending to know anything about it whatsoever.

Each to their own mate

 

[Dr Mantis Toboggan]

i'd be interested in reading more about jewish slave-owners in colonial america, help a brother out

 

[johnnytodd]

What books?

you won't find them on amazon son

edit : you will actually

 

[HertsWolf]

oh right i just googled ' mongolian bog rate mating habits' but would not join a debate pretending to know anything about it whatsoever.

Oh. Why? A complete lack of even basic knowledge hasn't stopped you providing copious input before.

 

[johnnytodd]

i'd be interested in reading more about jewish slave-owners in colonial america, help a brother out

i'm sure if you google jews and the slave trade their will be some books out there buddy

 

[johnnytodd]

Oh. Why? A complete lack of even basic knowledge hasn't stopped you providing copious input before.

you got binned pages ago mate, come back when your balls drop

 

[HertsWolf]

don't get me started on the poor irish and what muslims done to them

No please do get started on the poor Irish and what Muslims have done to them.

 

[johnnytodd]

No please do get started on the poor Irish and what Muslims have done to them.

go to the library and learn, don't just listen to preachers for example, you will get blinded bro

 

[RavenBish]

you won't find them on amazon son

SECRET BOOKS. PASSED DOWN THROUGH GENERATIONS OF TODDS. 'Us Todds must always be on guard, son, we know things...things the Jews don't want us to know' *gazes out of the window* 'our moment will come johnny, I promised your grandfather his death would not be for nothing - promise me, if they come for me too, they must never get the books.'

 

[johnnytodd]

SECRET BOOKS. PASSED DOWN THROUGH GENERATIONS OF TODDS. 'Us Todd's must always be on guard, son, we know things...things the Jews don't want us to know' *gazes out of the window* 'our moment will come johnny, I promised your grandfather his death would not be for nothing - promise me, if they come for me too, they must never get the books.'

try this might lead you somewhere?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Jews-Slaves-Slave-Trade-Perspectives/dp/0814726380