the Migrant Crisis

[Red]

If you'd like to talk about clichés, we could always go over the far-left tactic of trying to stifle a problematic debate with accusations of racism and such.

Well, in all fairness there are people on here who aren't far left who think you're racist.

 

[Aber gas]

If you'd like to talk about clichés, we could always go over the far-left tactic of trying to stifle a problematic debate with accusations of racism and such.



Actually, if you recall, you were the one who abandoned the discussion about Germany and it's new border controls.

Yeah and you abandoned a discussion because I pulled you up on presenting your racist views as fact " it's a numbers game " lol . Have you put me on ignore ?

 

[Aber gas]

Cheeky sod

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

Well, in all fairness there are people on here who aren't far left who think you're racist.

Yes, yes, we get that you like to gossip about me, but the point was that this is a cliché of the far left. Now, whether the knitting circle thinks I'm racist or not, they're certainly not seeking to sabotage threads with inane accusations of that kind, because why would they? It can only achieve one of two things. Either it shuts me up or it doesn't, but either way I'm no longer talking about what I should be talking about.

Yeah and you abandoned a discussion because I pulled you up on presenting your racist views as fact " it's a numbers game " lol . Have you put me on ignore ?

I think you should scroll back and re-read the discussion. I presented my view of the state of integration in the UK, then you presented yours. I ignored the point about the numbers game because you'd conflated two different points and it didn't make much sense to me, especially after you'd already conceded that it was fine in principle beforehand. Either way, stopping replying is hardly the same as derailing.

More importantly though, the Germans clearly didn't agree to welcome hundreds of thousands of people because they were some form of needy, they welcomed them because they believed they were refugees fleeing Syria. That's why they are now enforcing border control. No?

 

[Aber gas]

Yes, yes, we get that you like to gossip about me, but the point was that this is a cliché of the far left. Now, whether the knitting circle thinks I'm racist or not, they're certainly not seeking to sabotage threads with inane accusations of that kind, because why would they? It can only achieve one of two things. Either it shuts me up or it doesn't, but either way I'm no longer talking about what I should be talking about.



I think you should scroll back and re-read the discussion. I presented my view of the state of integration in the UK, then you presented yours. I ignored the point about the numbers game because you'd conflated two different points and it didn't make much sense to me, especially after you'd already conceded that it was fine in principle beforehand. Either way, stopping replying is hardly the same as derailing.

It didn't make sense to you because you are as thick as shit . You started by presenting your argument as fact and when it was pointed out to you that it wasn't, you changed to a subjective argument . When you got shown up for the racist pig that you are you stopped replying

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

You're confused. You asked for an objective definition of native and I said there isn't one. This was after you'd already accepted my rationale in principle based on the assumption that attitudes stay the same. The "shown up as a racist pig" moment is simply something you have invented, which is odd, because anyone can simply scroll back and see that you're lying. More importantly though, I accept your surrender on the Germany point. I can only assume that the white sign emoticon was meant to be a white flag.

Full marks if you and Red have just conspired to troll me though. Outstanding work.

 

[Alty]

Jesus Christ that last page was depressing. Must we always go down this "RACIST RACIST!" cul-de-sac??

Anyway...seems an odd move by Germany to have been so open only to change tack. Is this a case of state government and federal government disagreeing or what?

 

[Red]

[QUOTE="Yes, yes, we get that you like to gossip about me, but the point was that this is a cliché of the far left. Now, whether the knitting circle thinks I'm racist or not.[/QUOTE]

We made a little something for you by way of saying no hard feelings
feelings. I wanted to put a friendly smiley in, but can't seem to do it on my phone. ;-)

 

[AFCB_Mark]

Jesus Christ that last page was depressing. Must we always go down this "RACIST RACIST!" cul-de-sac??

Anyway...seems an odd move by Germany to have been so open only to change tack. Is this a case of state government and federal government disagreeing or what?

Austria, Hungary, and Holland (random considering how far from the frontier) have all now reportedly taken similar steps to increase police presence on boarder crossings to scrutinise people (what happens if they decline somebody?), and plug gaps in fences and generally lock down. Saw a picture last night from Hungary of a train carriage wrapped in barbed wire and shunted up the track to the boarder fence to block the track.

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

Our original concern was supposed to be migrants dying because they were making dangerous sea crossings... so our solution has been to make it known that hundreds of thousands of Syrian refugees (or people who can claim to be Syrian refugees) will be granted asylum on arrival to the continent. Genius move. I bet the people traffickers are licking their lips.

 

[spireite]

I bet Hungary is well pleased with Germany right now...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34252812

 

[Modernist]

calais migrant crisis a myth:-

http://www.theguardian.com/media/gr...lais-crisis-for-what-it-was-a-media-made-myth
Where have all the Calais “migrants” gone? Gone from front pages, every one. Since the picture of three-year-old Aylan Kurdi was published on 3 September, thus transforming the Syrian refugee crisis into national news, the drama in France has all but vanished from the news agenda.

No more TV news footage of young men climbing fences. No more newspaper photographs of despairing people huddled in the camp known as The Jungle. No more fulminating leading articles. No more criticism of the French police or British politicians.
The whole business has melted away, not least because it was a small-scale matter when seen in the context of the wider problem of the humanitarian crisis exemplified by the world-wide movement of people. Calais was, by contrast, a fabricated “crisis” - a non-crisis, in fact.
True, odd bits of Calais-related news - some of it tragic - bubbles away in the background, such as the instances of the young Iraqi crushed to death on Tuesday by wooden pallets in the back of a lorry and, the previous Thursday, the young African hit by a train and killed near the Channel tunnel entrance.

But the relentless, overtly hostile and sometimes downright inaccurate (see here) daily coverage on TV news bulletins and in national newspapers of the incoming “swarm” has vanished.

The thousands drawn “to Calais in the hope of smuggling themselves into the UK” (Daily Mail) appear no longer to be of editorial interest.
Daily Mail, 3 September 2015 Photograph: .
We are not being told any longer of lorry drivers’ frustrations at the aggression of migrants (The Independent); of calls for the British army to march to the rescue (Daily Telegraph); of the anarchy (Daily Express); of the claims that British tourists were turning their backs on France (Daily Mirror)... and so on ad nauseam.

By late August, the effect of the coverage became clear. It had helped propel immigration into being “the chief concern of British voters after weeks of crisis over migrants at Calais”, as the Times reported. It overtook the NHS and the economy, as recorded by the monthly Economist/ Ipsos Mori poll.

Yet it can now be seen as a fake media-manufactured “crisis” involving just a couple of hundred destitute people trying to enter Britain illegally. It was a trickle, not a flood. It was a marginal matter and, moreover, one with a lengthy history.

As a Guardian piece written in late July argued, it was insignificant seen against the fact - yes the fact - that “the vast majority of people living illegally in Britain came in the front door – through Heathrow airport – and simply overstayed their visas.”

Now, with hundreds of thousands of refugees coming to Europe to find asylum from violence in Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq and various African regimes, the media’s overblown coverage of Calais is exposed for what it was - a way of pandering to prejudice by stoking up antagonism towards a small group of very desperate people (who are still there, you know).

It amounts to a classic case of media myth-making and, incidentally, is yet further proof of the way in which “impartial” television news allows itself to be lured into an agenda created by national newspapers.

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

To call it a myth is to deliberately mislead. It happened, it's still happening, and it was happening for years before we heard much about it. The only pertinent point is that the media sensationalize stuff until they have a bigger story.

So well done Roy, you've cracked it...

 

[Dr Mantis Toboggan]

is it too much for us to expect an immigration policy centered around human rights and compassion or am i misguided romantic fool

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

the second one

 

[Dr Mantis Toboggan]

better a fool trying to fix the world than a cynic accepting the evils' of it

 

[Stevencc]

That can be the title of our first album.

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

bit of a mouthful

 

[Dr Mantis Toboggan]

bit of a mouthful

u def paraphrasing your ma there bud

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

 

[MertzRunz]

Am doing a language investigation into how this (BBC and the Daily Mail), think I'll post some of the key things I found once I've done

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

It's weird how little has been on the news about the rioting all over the place.

 

[smat]

Btw what happened to your wank fantasy about the dead kid's dad being a trafficker?

 

[spireite]

It's weird how little has been on the news about the rioting all over the place.

We don't want to know about that bit shhhh

 

[Ian_Wrexham]

Support migrants rights to self defence in the face of state violence tbh.

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

Btw what happened to your wank fantasy about the dead kid's dad being a trafficker?

???

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

Support migrants rights to self defence in the face of state violence tbh.

Most of the rioting is between different groups of migrants. The stuff that the news isn't paying much attention to, anyway.

 

[smat]

???

CAN'T FIND IT NOW CAN I

but someone said something

 

[Ian_Wrexham]

Most of the rioting is between different groups of migrants. The stuff that the news isn't paying much attention to, anyway.

OK, I had a quick google for "migrants rioting" and similar in the last week. Very little. Reports of clashes with police in Hungary, Croatia, Slovenia and Calais; a load of fash noise about a video of a (peaceful) demonstration in Celle in Saxony.

Other than that, nothing. So in answer to your question, reckon there is no media coverage of the "rioting all over the place" because you/a creator of far-right facebook memes made it up.

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

I didn't realise we'd agreed on an arbitrary one week time-limit. I must admit all I can find in that timespan on short notice is reports of migrants forcing other migrants into sexual slavery and prostitution in German refugee centres. Hard to believe that the riots between Kurds and Turks and Syrians and Afghans has escaped someone interested in this issue, but I do realise that with regressive liberals it's the narrative that matters (tit for tat). A bit like those No Borders activists that coerced their colleague into silence after she was gang raped by Sudanese migrants in Italy. Another story that not much was made of.