The standard of football in this league

[Ciderhead]

Football's cyclical. In the mid to late 00s the PL could accurately be described the best league in the world. Not so much for a few years now but I think the tide will start to turn soon. It may well coincide with Messi and Ronaldo's retirement, certainly that will see Spanish football's decline at least somewhat, but as Renegade says the recent influx of top managers will start to bear fruit.

And Chelsea will have Tammy Abraham back next season to fire them to CL glory

 

[johnnytodd]

Football's cyclical. In the mid to late 00s the PL could accurately be described the best league in the world. Not so much for a few years now but I think the tide will start to turn soon. It may well coincide with Messi and Ronaldo's retirement, certainly that will see Spanish football's decline at least somewhat, but as Renegade says the recent influx of top managers will start to bear fruit.

And Chelsea will have Tammy Abraham back next season to fire them to CL glory

I very much doubt that

 

[johnnytodd]

Just thought i'd pop this in here.

La Liga: in the last 3 years
3 champions leagues (Real Madrid 2014, Barcelona 2015, Real Madrid 2016)
3 europa leagues (Sevilla 2014, Sevilla 2015, Sevilla 2016)
3 Ballon De ors (Ronaldo 2014, Messi 2015, Messi 2016)
3 Club World Cups (Real Madrid 2014, Barcelona 2015, Real Madrid 2016)

Premier League: in the last 3 years
0 champions leagues
0 europa leagues
0 ballon de ors
0 club world cups.

 

[Stevencc]

Just thought i'd pop this in here.

La Liga: in the last 3 years
3 champions leagues (Real Madrid 2014, Barcelona 2015, Real Madrid 2016)
3 europa leagues (Sevilla 2014, Sevilla 2015, Sevilla 2016)
3 Ballon De ors (Ronaldo 2014, Messi 2015, Messi 2016)
3 Club World Cups (Real Madrid 2014, Barcelona 2015, Real Madrid 2016)

Premier League: in the last 3 years
0 champions leagues
0 europa leagues
0 ballon de ors
0 club world cups.

I'm not arguing with the other stats but the Club World Cup holds less prestige than a kick-about over the park, Johnny. Your point would be stronger without that being included.

 

[St. Juste]

You post tome after tome saying the same thing (Engurland is shit and that) and I'm the one trying bit too hard with a throwaway one or two-liner?

Not at all, you have to look at the drivers of the people involved in the conversation. I'm not English so of course I will have a different perspective of English football than those who grow up in it, know only it, or follow it religiously from afar. I don't support any English team in the slightest, I have a completely dispassionate view towards it - I enjoy watching it, even discussing it, but I don't think it's the best league in the world. Or the most competitive. And I suggest those who seriously think England has the first and second most competitive league in the world demonstrate a seriously insular perspective.

The rest of your long-winded guff is just going around in circles we've already visited but this question goes to the heart of the matter and what you're unable to grasp. I don't believe he would, for the reasons both myself and Renegade have stated.

Then you have an astonishingly high view of what Liverpool are as a club. Which, given you are a supporter, isn't terribly surprising. You must have been shocked / devastated when Suarez left, or when Gotze turned you down in the summer. These kind of things shouldn't happen to the biggest most attractive club in the world.

And if Klopp does want a challenge of bringing a team back to the top, he has chosen a rather beige case, does he not know about Boavista / Parma / Rangers / Leeds? Those would be a proper challenge.

You could have a 90 pc win record at Real Madrid and still lose your job, they are an awful club.

Of course they are, as well as a significant fascist element to their history.

Nevertheless, they are footballing royalty and, along with Barcelona, you would expect every player and manager in the world would want to be a part of it. They are the pinnacle of sport.

The only outliers would be the, hopefully rare, cases of people who are incapable of leaving their home country for whatever reason. My favourite one was Ravel Morrison being unable to eat the food in Italy -the most famous and ubiquitous food worldwide.

Football's cyclical. In the mid to late 00s the PL could accurately be described the best league in the world. Not so much for a few years now but I think the tide will start to turn soon. It may well coincide with Messi and Ronaldo's retirement, certainly that will see Spanish football's decline at least somewhat, but as Renegade says the recent influx of top managers will start to bear fruit.

And Chelsea will have Tammy Abraham back next season to fire them to CL glory

It absolutely is cyclical, and I have no doubt English football will eventually go back to being the best. It's quite astonishing it isn't currently given the financial advantage.

But nevertheless, even when clearly not the best, it bizarrely claims that it is, or is the most competitive. Does it come from some kind of insecurity? Can't they just accept that maybe, just maybe, Barcelona vs. Real Madrid is a bit better than Arsenal vs. Manchester United?

 

[johnnytodd]

I'm not arguing with the other stats but the Club World Cup holds less prestige than a kick-about over the park, Johnny. Your point would be stronger without that being included.

its the hardest trophy to win though isn't it? i think one club were that desperate to win it one year they dropped out of the FA CUP?
PMSL

 

[Stevencc]

You need to get your bladder looked at.

 

[johnnytodd]

Yeah should have not put that in but my finger slipped when copying it.

 

[St. Juste]

You post tome after tome saying the same thing (Engurland is shit and that) and I'm the one trying bit too hard with a throwaway one or two-liner?

Not at all, you have to look at the drivers of the people involved in the conversation. I'm not English so of course I will have a different perspective of English football than those who grow up in it, know only it, or follow it religiously from afar. I don't support any English team in the slightest, I have a completely dispassionate view towards it - I enjoy watching it, even discussing it, but I don't think it's the best league in the world. Or the most competitive. And I suggest those who seriously think England has the first and second most competitive league in the world demonstrate a seriously insular perspective.

The rest of your long-winded guff is just going around in circles we've already visited but this question goes to the heart of the matter and what you're unable to grasp. I don't believe he would, for the reasons both myself and Renegade have stated.

Then you have an astonishingly high view of what Liverpool are as a club. Which, given you are a supporter, isn't terribly surprising. You must have been shocked / devastated when Suarez left, or when Gotze turned you down in the summer. These kind of things shouldn't happen to the biggest most attractive club in the world.

And if Klopp does want a challenge of bringing a team back to the top, he has chosen a rather beige case, does he not know about Boavista / Parma / Rangers / Leeds? Those would be a proper challenge.

You could have a 90 pc win record at Real Madrid and still lose your job, they are an awful club.

Of course they are, as well as a significant fascist element to their history.

Nevertheless, they are footballing royalty and, along with Barcelona, you would expect every player and manager in the world would want to be a part of it. They are the pinnacle of sport.

The only outliers would be the, hopefully rare, cases of people who are incapable of leaving their home country for whatever reason. My favourite one was Ravel Morrison being unable to eat the food in Italy -the most famous and ubiquitous food worldwide.

Football's cyclical. In the mid to late 00s the PL could accurately be described the best league in the world. Not so much for a few years now but I think the tide will start to turn soon. It may well coincide with Messi and Ronaldo's retirement, certainly that will see Spanish football's decline at least somewhat, but as Renegade says the recent influx of top managers will start to bear fruit.

And Chelsea will have Tammy Abraham back next season to fire them to CL glory

It absolutely is cyclical, and I have no doubt English football will eventually go back to being the best. It's quite astonishing it isn't currently given the financial advantage.

But nevertheless, even when clearly not the best, it bizarrely claims that it is, or is the most competitive. Does it come from some kind of insecurity? Can't they just accept that maybe, just maybe, Barcelona vs. Real Madrid is a bit better than Arsenal vs. Manchester United?

 

[Ciderhead]

But nevertheless, even when clearly not the best, it bizarrely claims that it is, or is the most competitive. Does it come from some kind of insecurity? Can't they just accept that maybe, just maybe, Barcelona vs. Real Madrid is a bit better than Arsenal vs. Manchester United?

Who cares?

What do you expect, the likes of Sky to go "this is all a bit rubbish really innit, dunno why y'all bother"

 

[Pagnell]

Then you have an astonishingly high view of what Liverpool are as a club.

No, I don't. I'm more than aware of Liverpool's shortcomings and where they stand in the hierarchy of world football, I'd be a member on RAWK otherwise.

However, unlike you, I'm fully aware that some people, be it in football or otherwise, are interested in more than simply working for the biggest entity in their relevant field. We're not dealing with robots here, which is where your logic claim falls short. In case you weren't aware logic often can't be applied to humans, as a result of numerous factors you're simply choosing to ignore. In Klopp's case, a stated desire to manage a club in a long term project of a similar ilk to Dortmund and the fanbase. The likes of Barcelona and Real are a million miles from that so him not being interested in such roles doesn't indicate a lack of ability (although I'd question his suitability given the discussion at hand), but rather a simple lack of desire. You could perhaps argue that not wanting to manage such clubs automatically rules someone out of being in the top echelons of footballing management, but that isn't what you're doing. You're simply refusing to accept a manager of quality could prefer a project like what Liverpool currently are to the thankless task of managing a team like Real Madrid.

I'm done with this. If you can't understand the point myself and Renegade are making by now continuing it is a waste of time.

 

[johnnytodd]

It has nothing to do with the money Liverpool are paying him of course.

 

[TubularBells]

I have gone through three pages and still none the wiser. Greece and Denmark won the Euro's with fucking shite leagues. Netherlands (God they are bad now) beat Spain 5-1 was it? last time out?!
Who is to blame? Who knows? Would Germany beat Brazil 7-1 in Brazil again?! Was it just one of those tournaments?! Would Leicester win the Premier League with a squad that cost a fraction of yours?! I guess that is the real point isn't it?! They did and you're still fucking seething it wasn't you! lol

 

[johnnytodd]

Pmsl

 

[Stevencc]

http://www.webmd.com/urinary-incont...continence-kegel-exercises-for-pelvic-muscles

 

[St. Juste]

Who cares?

What do you expect, the likes of Sky to go "this is all a bit rubbish really innit, dunno why y'all bother"

Remarkably, that is their strategy for marketing Scottish football.

A bit of humility would be quite welcome actually, you can be a good young player without being "the best young player in the world" which is what Lineker recently said of Dele Alli - despite it being patently not accurate.

No, I don't. I'm more than aware of Liverpool's shortcomings and where they stand in the hierarchy of world football, I'd be a member on RAWK otherwise.

However, unlike you, I'm fully aware that some people, be it in football or otherwise, are interested in more than simply working for the biggest entity in their relevant field. We're not dealing with robots here, which is where your logic claim falls short. In case you weren't aware logic often can't be applied to humans, as a result of numerous factors you're simply choosing to ignore. In Klopp's case, a stated desire to manage a club in a long term project of a similar ilk to Dortmund and the fanbase. The likes of Barcelona and Real are a million miles from that so him not being interested in such roles doesn't indicate a lack of ability (although I'd question his suitability given the discussion at hand), but rather a simple lack of desire. You could perhaps argue that not wanting to manage such clubs automatically rules someone out of being in the top echelons of footballing management, but that isn't what you're doing. You're simply refusing to accept a manager of quality could prefer a project like what Liverpool currently are to the thankless task of managing a team like Real Madrid.

I'm done with this. If you can't understand the point myself and Renegade are making by now continuing it is a waste of time.

I've stated since the very start it is possible, just not very likely. Were Gerrard to be managing Liverpool and get an offer from Real Madrid, I am asking you to suspend your disbelief here, I think it's very likely he wouldn't take it. However, with Klopp I think what has clearly happened is that Liverpool was the best offer he got and he took it. I would stand humbly corrected if Real or Barcelona offered him a job and he said no - but this didn't happen. He wasn't offered either of those jobs. It's easy to say no when you weren't offered them. Indeed, were Real or Barcelona to change their manager now, Klopp would be no where near that list, his reputation hasn't improved at all since he left Dortmund, if anything it may have fallen.

As for him wanting to be part of a project with a great fanbase etc. - yes, of course he is saying this, all new managers say it. If he was going to Real Madrid he'd say it. It's something that is said but not often believed. Was Rodgers a boyhood Celtic fan who always dreamed of managing the club? Probably not. Were he to get offered the managers job at Liverpool again would he take it? In a heartbeat.

Your belief that Klopp wouldn't take the Real Madrid stems on two threads, his comments about fanbase and project, and a belief that he was offered - or sounded out for a bigger job - and refused it. I think the latter clearly didn't happen, and the former is something every manager says when joining a new club. Believe it if you want, it must be a great life.

As for players and managers deliberately staying at a lower level? It happens, all the time, for various reasons. However, it's pretty unlikely that a German guy with no connection to Liverpool would suddenly feel that way.

I have gone through three pages and still none the wiser. Greece and Denmark won the Euro's with fucking shite leagues. Netherlands (God they are bad now) beat Spain 5-1 was it? last time out?!
Who is to blame? Who knows? Would Germany beat Brazil 7-1 in Brazil again?! Was it just one of those tournaments?! Would Leicester win the Premier League with a squad that cost a fraction of yours?! I guess that is the real point isn't it?! They did and you're still fucking seething it wasn't you! lol

Plenty of national sides succeed with poor leagues, the two aren't particularly correlated.

 

[Pagnell]

http://www.webmd.com/urinary-incont...continence-kegel-exercises-for-pelvic-muscles

Cheers Mr. CC, at my age such links prove most useful.

 

[johnnytodd]

I heard Klopp took it cos he liked the Beatles....then denied it when he found out they were all blues except the shit one Ringo.

 

[Smally]

I have no idea what people are arguing about in this thread anymore, all I'll say is Ringo was underrated

 

[G-Dragon]

does he not know about Boavista / Parma / Rangers / Leeds? Those would be a proper challenge.