Tomorrow, games, GO.....

[genesimmons]

You're right to an extent, but the fact is that we've grown as a club over the last 2 decades far beyond what anyone would have believed possible, most of it without "Mr Moneybags." If the next 2 decades see similar growth, we could easily become an established sustainable league club.

Ambition and a proactive approach to increasing crowds/interest locally is having a real effect, we have a huge amount of local schools enrolled in our ambassadors scheme, hundreds of local kids now own and proudly wear FGR shirts and we are continuing to expand our community schemes. The fact that you now see a lot of kids going around in FGR shirts instead of just seeing Chelsea, ManUre, Liverpool etc is fantastic.

Pointless? Nah.

Forest green were in confrence long before the money man came even, maybe not as successful but it shows they can get by without the backer

 

[genesimmons]

Both I'd imagine. The difference in money you receive being in L2 and the National league is staggering.

Althougth that gap in funding between leagues will be reduced alot from next season due to parachute payments increase

 

[genesimmons]

I think it's more to do with really really lenient rules regarding finances, it's incredibly difficult to get a club to go bust. As I said above I'm a Southend fan and if this country had the same financial rules as Germany, France or Italy the Shrimpers would have been playing Essex Senior League football a very long time ago.
Take for instance rules in Germany like points deductions for not filing quarterly financial reports on time (which they actually enforce as well, unlike many FA rules here), I couldn't tell you a time when Southend have filed them on time. Or massive points deductions/relegation for court appearances for payments over public money. In Germany you get two chances, doesn't even matter if you have the money, it's the intent to hold it back from the public purse, 2nd appearance in court means points off or relegation, again how many clubs have been in court numerous times using it as an 11th hour to pay HMRC.
Look at Parma in Italy, given about 12 weeks to sort themselves out after not paying players etc - league weren't satisfied they'd fully be able to pay all debts even with a takeover in the pipeline - relegated 3 divisions.
Which team have ever actually gone bust in the FL? Maidstone, Aldershot, Newport, Accrington? not even sure about the last 2.

Think newport went bust once relegated to confrence halfway through there 1st season. Theres a good documentary about there cowboy owner gerry sherman. So yeah 3 clubs going bust whilst in football league. Not a bad record in over a century. Seems clubs in trouble in football league are more appealing to new buyers whilst still in football league

 

[Luke Imp]

Did everybody enjoy the Nat Brown horror show on the highlights?

You're extending his loan, then?

As far as i know the last club to fold whilst playing in the football league was aldershot way back in 1992. Amazed me how none have folded since with a few haveing lower budgets than confrence cluns and less support. Is it good tv money or subsidys from league

As said, the FL are very lenient, which is ironic really because there are wage caps. The Conference and below have no wage caps yet can't wait to get rid of you.

 

[Railway Blue]

I'd definitely prefer us to be a mid table L2 side. As much as I enjoy the non league scene I want us to be a league side again. This division is so hellish to get out of I never want to see us down here again once we get out.

Most of the teams that go up are vulnerable to a quick return. If you look at the bottom half of L2, they are nearly all clubs that weren't long ago down here.

 

[The_Boss]

Althougth that gap in funding between leagues will be reduced alot from next season due to parachute payments increase

Only for the relegated sides, no one else is going to get any money!

 

[BeesKnees]

Most of the teams that go up are vulnerable to a quick return. If you look at the bottom half of L2, they are nearly all clubs that weren't long ago down here.

I don't really agree with this, no promoted club has been immediately relegated the following season, of those that do get relegated they have generally been in league two for at least 5 years. Of the last 20 teams promoted from the conference (2004/5 - 2013/14), only 4 have been relegated back to the conference. Of those 4, one reformed (Hereford), 2 remain in conference (Aldershot & Torquay) and one re-promoted (Barnet).
If you look at the bottom of league two, Dagenham have been a league club for 9 seasons, Yeovil 13, York 4. Newport 2, Stevenage 6. No point going higher up the league as everyone else is closer to play-offs than they are relegation.

 

[JaggerCFC]

Would normally pay about £200, but was invited in the Legend's Lounge as a guest about 4 years ago. I liked it so applied for a season ticket the season before last. I don't really think it's very good value for money, but I don't smoke or drink, retired from work and want to support my club financially. I'm not sure if I'll renew next year. I may opt to rejoin the plebs.

Is the legends lounge covered in gold leafed frames and 5* table service?

I can only dream as a harry mac pled

 

[Grimsby69]

Hello All
With out financial backing most football clubs would go bust including teams in the Championship.

But the small no league clubs will eventual or return to non league when the backer removes his support for what ever reason as Football League is difficult to compete with home gates of bellow 2,000.

 

[DarkSithLord]

Hello All
With out financial backing most football clubs would go bust including teams in the Championship.

But the small no league clubs will eventual or return to non league when the backer removes his support for what ever reason as Football League is difficult to compete with home gates of bellow 2,000.

Welcome to the forum.

 

[Vanni]

People have different perspectives on this type of thing - I would much sooner have us mid-table in League Two than spend another minute in this division, even at the top end.

I can see the appeal for some though, being the shark in the kiddies paddling pool. It's interesting.

Of course, that's a no-brainer, but I said lower L2 not mid-table.Those sides that go into the final week not knowing if they'll stay up or go down year in year out.
Personally, L2 wins over non-league every time, but then again, I'm not the chairman of a club who thinks being a top end conference side is more financially beneficial than a struggling L2 one.

 

[Southern Shayman]

You're extending his loan, then?

The rumours before the Braintree game were that we were. At that point he'd had 2 pretty decent performances in the league and a shocker against Wycombe.

If we actually do extend it after that, then I just give up.

 

[Luke Imp]

Despite what Moyses said about him still being in our plans, I'm willing to bet a decent amount that he isn't! No doubt he's 4th choice CB.

Be hugely surprised if he plays for us again.