Woking's 255k Budget 2016/17

[Imp in Branston]

Yeah but how much do league two teams get handed down from the authorities to help out? Even relegated teams into the NL now get serious financial help.

 

[FrankTheTank]

It said in the NLP the other day that our budget halved under Pennock. I heard it was something like 1.6m when Hockaday left.

So reckon that it was probably around 800k last season. Might be a bit more this year, but wont be the biggest in the league by any means.

Yeah that's pretty much right. The problem in Pennock's first full year in charge we were still paying some of Hockadays stupid 3 year deals (a couple of which were as much as twice the single highest paid player now) even when those players had long gone or been scrapped on the loan heap (Mangan, Barry, Magno Vieiro). And you've got to remember even if you've negotiated a pay off for a player, to get rid of them at the end of a season in May/June, for most clubs it will still form part of the financial year accounts for the next season starting July and may form part of that next seasons budget, even if that player is gone. So the halving of the Hockaday £1.5-£1.6m budget to £800k last season is spot on. But it will be a bit more this season, closer to £1m.

 

[slaphead]

CONFIRMED.

http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/woking-fc-boss-garry-hill-11448549

INTERESTING STAT: "Only three clubs have finished in the top half of the table in each of the last four years, Grimsby Town, Forest Green Rovers and Woking."

RIP

Is that before or after your annual £250k 'loss'?

 

[Shotsfan1993]

CONFIRMED.

http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/woking-fc-boss-garry-hill-11448549

Sorry, but nowhere in that article does it mention anything about budgets. All it states is your manager claims he has had a budget cut of 15%.

But anyway, keep on believing your budget is £250k-300k despite losing around £400k per season....

 

[Son of Cod]

CONFIRMED.

http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/woking-fc-boss-garry-hill-11448549

INTERESTING STAT: "Only three clubs have finished in the top half of the table in each of the last four years, Grimsby Town, Forest Green Rovers and Woking."

RIP

How many of them finished in the top 5 each of the last four years?

 

[PaulHaddock]

How many of them finished in the top 5 each of the last four years?

Gateshead have also finished in the top 10 for the last 4 years (actually 5) so I've no idea why Lord Garry decided to say that.

 

[Chris FGR]

So the halving of the Hockaday £1.5-£1.6m budget to £800k last season is spot on. But it will be a bit more this season, closer to £1m.

It's interesting that despite a lot of people going on about our massive budget, the reality is that it was a fair bit smaller then the likes of Grimsby, Eastleigh and Tranmere last season and we still finished miles ahead of them.

 

[Mariner2015]

last season and we still finished miles ahead of them.

Yeah well done on that. What league are you in again ? #tinpot

 

[dedwardp]

Yeah but how much do league two teams get handed down from the authorities to help out? Even relegated teams into the NL now get serious financial help.

http://www.efl.com/news/article/201...hute-payments-to-relegated-clubs-2786363.aspx

£85k.

 

[Luke Imp]

^ Not it's not.

- 100% of the equivalent Basic Award payment made to League 2 clubs in the first year following relegation.
- 50% of the equivalent Basic Award payment made to League 2 clubs in the second year following relegation (unless a club achieves promotion back to The Football League at the first attempt).

 

[dedwardp]

^ Not it's not.

- 100% of the equivalent Basic Award payment made to League 2 clubs in the first year following relegation.
- 50% of the equivalent Basic Award payment made to League 2 clubs in the second year following relegation (unless a club achieves promotion back to The Football League at the first attempt).

Were you not talking about Doncaster (and, therefore, the payments dropping from League One to League Two)?

i.e. Clubs relegated from Sky Bet League 1 receive 12.6% of the Basic Award payment to League 1 clubs for one season.

 

[Luke Imp]

That's the problem with lack of multi-quoting...

 

[townsendaround]

Chairmen and CEO's spend an awful lot of time talking about 'Top 6 budgets,' 'Bottom 6 budgets,' 'Competitive budgets,' and the relative financial strengths and weaknesses of their rivals. From experience (and believe me, as the former chair of a Supporters Trust I have plenty) these statements tend not to be worth the hot air that delivered them. Clubs do not tend to be explicit about their budgets- apart from when using a supposed lack of money as an excuse, or using the alleged largess of their opponents as a reason for an inability to compete.

Fills acres of newsprint though, and is a useful tool to detract from other failings...

 

[GTFCfish]

It's interesting that despite a lot of people going on about our massive budget, the reality is that it was a fair bit smaller then the likes of Grimsby, Eastleigh and Tranmere last season and we still finished miles ahead of them.

Maybe 'miles ahead' could be your new trademark quote replacing you old 'head and shoulders' one that served you and your team so well last season.

 

[Monkey Tennis]

Chairmen and CEO's spend an awful lot of time talking about 'Top 6 budgets,' 'Bottom 6 budgets,' 'Competitive budgets,' and the relative financial strengths and weaknesses of their rivals. From experience (and believe me, as the former chair of a Supporters Trust I have plenty) these statements tend not to be worth the hot air that delivered them. Clubs do not tend to be explicit about their budgets- apart from when using a supposed lack of money as an excuse, or using the alleged largess of their opponents as a reason for an inability to compete.

Fills acres of newsprint though, and is a useful tool to detract from other failings...

Well that's it in a nutshell really. People on here (and the internet in general) are adamant they know their club's budget and everyone elses, but the only ones who ever mention it are either getting their excuses in early, or in denial about how much their club is really frittering away.

 

[GTFCfish]

Well that's it in a nutshell really. People on here (and the internet in general) are adamant they know their club's budget and everyone elses, but the only ones who ever mention it are either getting their excuses in early, or in denial about how much their club is really frittering away.

Forgive me but i cannot
Guess for one minute which club you may be
Referring to in this post?

 

[townsendaround]

Forgive me but i cannot
Guess for one minute which club you may be
Referring to in this post?

Be careful, you'll have your inflatable cod confiscated.

 

[GTFCfish]

Be careful, you'll have your inflatable cod confiscated.

Inflatable HADDOCK, tut tut.....

 

[townsendaround]

Inflatable HADDOCK, tut tut.....

Surely they all look the same...!

 

[GTFCfish]

Surely they all look the same...!

Ooh you charlatan!

 

[Kim Mitten]

Well that's it in a nutshell really. People on here (and the internet in general) are adamant they know their club's budget and everyone elses, but the only ones who ever mention it are either getting their excuses in early, or in denial about how much their club is really frittering away.

Should be able to roughly work out budgets as long as clubs get their financial reports to companies house on time. The public as a whole (should they want to) can know any clubs previous budgets/how much they paid on wages/transfers, most don't differ a great deal over a period of a few years. I do agree however the majority of posters on internet forums are unlikely to have made calls to companies house to ask for copies of clubs financial statements.
Would be much easier for all involved if all clubs were PLCs and had to publish their statements so everyone can see them at the click of a button. I mean I couldn't give a toss how much Man Utd spunked on their 73 football players over the previous season but I sure would love to know how Tamworth are getting along.

 

[Gladders]

Should be able to roughly work out budgets as long as clubs get their financial reports to companies house on time. The public as a whole (should they want to) can know any clubs previous budgets/how much they paid on wages/transfers, most don't differ a great deal over a period of a few years. I do agree however the majority of posters on internet forums are unlikely to have made calls to companies house to ask for copies of clubs financial statements.
Would be much easier for all involved if all clubs were PLCs and had to publish their statements so everyone can see them at the click of a button. I mean I couldn't give a toss how much Man Utd spunked on their 73 football players over the previous season but I sure would love to know how Tamworth are getting along.

Except the wages and salaries in the accounts will be for all staff at the club and not the playing budget. Our accounts are freely available online and show total spent on wages and salaries, however when we apparently have 50 full time, 19 part time and 200+ match day staff not sure how much you can gleam from it in terms of playing budget other than if its more or less than previous seasons.

 

[Kim Mitten]

Usually the financial statements have wages of different areas of staff broken down so everyone should be able to see what any club pays it's playing staff. As you say I know it's not budget just wages, but add that together with any transfer fees paid and you should get at least a vague idea of what a clubs budget is.
What have Grimsby published? a summary of accounts or the full blown statement, which should run to a couple hundred pages.

 

[Son of Cod]

Maybe 'miles ahead' could be your new trademark quote replacing you old 'head and shoulders' one that served you and your team so well last season.

It's a shame that the prestigious award they picked up at the National League AGM Awards doesn't convey just how much better than everyone else they were.

Usually the financial statements have wages of different areas of staff broken down so everyone should be able to see what any club pays it's playing staff. As you say I know it's not budget just wages, but add that together with any transfer fees paid and you should get at least a vague idea of what a clubs budget is.
What have Grimsby published? a summary of accounts or the full blown statement, which should run to a couple hundred pages.

It's a summary of the accounts, I think. Available here...

http://www.extra-gtfc.co.uk/accounts2/#

 

[FrankTheTank]

It's a shame that the prestigious award they picked up at the National League AGM Awards doesn't convey just how much better than everyone else they were.

It's a summary of the accounts, I think. Available here...

http://www.extra-gtfc.co.uk/accounts2/#

Seeing Dan Holman there reminded me that Pennock was encouraged (by whom I won't say) to enquire about getting him fom Colchester (was it?) when his loan at Woking ended in January, anyway he asked the Colchester manager what he thought of him (a guy that had played him ... what, twice or something), and he of course said don't bother, so we didn't. Top work Pennock! Johnson swooped and as they say the rest is history.

 

[dedwardp]

Seeing Dan Holman there reminded me that Pennock was encouraged (by whom I won't say) to enquire about getting him fom Colchester (was it?) when his loan at Woking ended in January, anyway he asked the Colchester manager what he thought of him (a guy that had played him ... what, twice or something), and he of course said don't bother, so we didn't. Top work Pennock! Johnson swooped and as they say the rest is history.

I'm still disappointed we never gave Holman a chance. He made about four substitute appearances in August 2014 before Joe Dunne left and then that was that. Big mistake I think.

 

[WokingTillIDiet]

I'm still disappointed we never gave Holman a chance. He made about four substitute appearances in August 2014 before Joe Dunne left and then that was that. Big mistake I think.

To be fair to the Colchester manager (and Pennock, I suppose), Holman spent nearly all of 2014-15 out on loan at Wrexham, Aldershot and Dover, and he didn't exactly set the Conference alight during that time. It was only when he came to Woking last season as a replacement for Scott Rendell that he starting playing and scoring regularly and people began to take notice of him.

 

[dedwardp]

To be fair to the Colchester manager (and Pennock, I suppose), Holman spent nearly all of 2014-15 out on loan at Wrexham, Aldershot and Dover, and he didn't exactly set the Conference alight during that time. It was only when he came to Woking last season as a replacement for Scott Rendell that he starting playing and scoring regularly and people began to take notice of him.

Still had decent reviews from all of those clubs though, particularly Aldershot. Plus in January when he came back from Woking in great goalscoring form, we had another new manager who had only been in the position for a couple of weeks, were rock bottom of the league and hadn't won in months. It was as good a time as any to give him a good chance instead of offloading him for nothing to a side who will no doubt be better than us next season with him at the head of their attack. All the more frustrating when said manager had been quoted as saying everyone would be given a clean slate, Holman saying he wanted to prove his worth and then within days he was shipped out.

 

[Chris FGR]

Seeing Dan Holman there reminded me that Pennock was encouraged (by whom I won't say) to enquire about getting him fom Colchester (was it?) when his loan at Woking ended in January, anyway he asked the Colchester manager what he thought of him (a guy that had played him ... what, twice or something), and he of course said don't bother, so we didn't. Top work Pennock! Johnson swooped and as they say the rest is history.

And we got Brett Williams instead.....

 

[GTFCfish]

And we got Brett Williams instead.....

When i saw he had been subbed at half time in the P/O final i was very surprised, as i did not know he was even on the pitch.